Trump visiting the Mexican Border

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages. Some have found that new immigrants depress wages for certain groups, such as teenagers or workers with a high school diploma or less. Others say the overall effect on the economy is tiny, and an influx of immigrant workers vitalizes the economy overall.

Either way, the forces driving wage reductions for blue-collar workers go far beyond immigration.

Another strawman argument from the right if the pay was better Americans would do it total BS

"Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages"

They don't disagree, at least the honest ones, on the fact that they are a huge drain on the economy, and a huge drain on local resources (they need places to live, schools, medical care, police protection, etc). And they don't pay sufficient taxes to fund these things.

If I was born in Mexico or Central America I'd come here, no question. But we can't afford huge numbers of penniless, unskilled immigrants. And the more who come illegally, the fewer spots there are for people playing by the rules, waiting to come legally. That's grotesquely unfair to them. I have a friend who waited in Albania for 2+ years for his chance to come here, and we look the other way while people essentially cut him in line? It's not close to fair.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages"

They don't disagree, at least the honest ones, on the fact that they are a huge drain on the economy, and a huge drain on local resources (they need places to live, schools, medical care, police protection, etc). And they don't pay sufficient taxes to fund these things.

If I was born in Mexico or Central America I'd come here, no question. But we can't afford huge numbers of penniless, unskilled immigrants. And the more who come illegally, the fewer spots there are for people playing by the rules, waiting to come legally. That's grotesquely unfair to them. I have a friend who waited in Albania for 2+ years for his chance to come here, and we look the other way while people essentially cut him in line? It's not close to fair.

Jim if you pay only rent do you pay enought taxes for school police? you speak as if they don't work spend money any place most states get the majority from sales and property tax my town has kids in its school from other towns who get dropped off at grandma's.


Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

On Thursday — just three days later — Trump’s properties told the Department of Labor that they wanted approval to hire 76 guest workers us

Ask those who live on the cape about H 2B there's a brazillian of the working in the summer

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim if you pay only rent do you pay enought taxes for school police? you speak as if they don't work spend money any place most states get the majority from sales and property tax my town has kids in its school from other towns who get dropped off at grandma's.


Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

On Thursday — just three days later — Trump’s properties told the Department of Labor that they wanted approval to hire 76 guest workers us

Ask those who live on the cape about H 2B there's a brazillian of the working in the summer

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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no, people
who only pay a modest rent, probably aren’t paying their own way. heck, i have three kids in public school, which costs my town $42,000 a year, i don’t pay anywhere near that.

so you might say i’m as big a leech as the illegals. but there’s a slight difference. i’m an american citizen. and over time, the town will recoup most of that.

i never said they don’t work or spend money ( hearing voices again). i said they are a huge drain. and obviously i’m right.

You say republicans won’t compromise? they offered a compromise
on daca in return for the wall ( the wall which democrats supported until Trump came along). neither side is in a compromising mood, sonlittle gets done. Trump had two years to do whatever he wanted, and he blew it.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i said they are a huge drain. and obviously i’m right.

I've never seen a serious study indicate they are a huge drain, in fact it's just the opposite.

Where does your "obviously" come from? Please vet your sources.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

H-2B guest workers are here LEGALLY. Why do we need ILLEGAL workers if we can get what we need LEGALLY?

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

So why don't Americans who are looking for work not take those jobs?

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

it’s difficult because the left has astutely turned this into a wedge issue for votes. that, and there are a lot of powerful people who get cheap labor from illegal immigration, and don’t want the spigot turned off. that happens on both sides.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

yea the left wants the vote from those who can't vote another fantasy told to their base before bed..


totals dont equal a win Clinton received 2.87 million more votes nationwide (the largest margin ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

yea the left wants the vote from those who can't vote another fantasy told to their base before bed..


totals dont equal a win Clinton received 2.87 million more votes nationwide (the largest margin ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college

the left wants to convince their base that i’m a racist. i’m aware that popular vote isn’t a guarantee, but if you’re implying that both sides don’t aspire to get as
many bites as possible, you are wrong.

so, sanctuary cities and states will cooperate with ICE, if the feds compensate them
for doing so? are you certain about that? do you have an article or link which states that? i was unaware of that.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the left wants to convince their base that i’m a racist. i’m aware that popular vote isn’t a guarantee, but if you’re implying that both sides don’t aspire to get as
many bites as possible, you are wrong.

so, sanctuary cities and states will cooperate with ICE, if the feds compensate them
for doing so? are you certain about that? do you have an article or link which states that? i was unaware of that.
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Yes cost is just one of the many reasons they choose not to assist ice the other reasons are easily outlined in those cities

The right sees , sanctuary cities as homeomegrown equivalent of the myth of “no-go zones” in Europe

the idea that Democratic local officials are attempting to undermine “real” America by sheltering masses of unauthorized immigrants and allowing them to terrorize Americans.
That's what Trumps selling

Here's some good reading https://www.google.com/search?q=cost...obile&ie=UTF-8

What is the cost to state and local law enforcement agencies?

o The total cost of immigration detainers in the United States is unknown because they vary
considerably across jurisdiction. However, the cost of compliance can be quite high. The
state of California, for example, spends approximately $65 million tax dollars each year
detaining individuals for ICE.
• Does the federal government reimburse state and local governments for the cost
of holding someone under an ICE detainer?
o No, ICE does not reimburse the cost of holding individuals under a detainer. (Renting jail
space to ICE is not the same as detaining someone on an ICE detainer.) Additionally, ICE
is not liable and will not indemnify localities for any liability incurred while housing
these detainees. Several counties have faced legal action as a result of rights violations
that occurred while detaining individuals for ICE. The Sheriff’s Office in Jefferson
County, Colorado recently paid a $40,000 settlement to a man who was wrongfully
imprisoned due to an ICE detainer.
• Are state and local law enforcement agencies required to participate?
o No, ICE detainers are not criminal warrants; they are merely voluntary requests. Law
enforcement agencies can choose whether to comply.