Manufactured Crisis

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I get it Trump is worried about mass rapes so his solution is build a wall so they can’t get to the United States and that will prevent the rapes ... because they will stop trying to get here to be raped along the way ... brilliant
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Try to follow me here...

If our border is actually secure, they will know they can't get in, so less of them will try to make the trip, so less will get raped.

I agree with you, it's not brilliant, it's too simple to be brilliant.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Try to follow me here...

If our border is actually secure, they will know they can't get in, so less of them will try to make the trip, so less will get raped.

I agree with you, it's not brilliant, it's too simple to be brilliant.

The wall the fence the minefield none of it’s going to matter people who live in desperate situations are going to continually come to America no matter how hard it is and till the situations in their home countries are stable and can put food on the table and they don’t live in fear And until any of that happens they are still going to be coming to try to better themselves in United States ..

You got a love Trump there is no global warming humans didn’t cause it ... but a wall Is going to fix all of Americas immigration problems simple solutions for simple minds
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Try to follow me here...

If our border is actually secure, they will know they can't get in, so less of them will try to make the trip, so less will get raped.

I agree with you, it's not brilliant, it's too simple to be brilliant.

You do realize they’re fleeing murder and rape in their home countries right? You do realize most want to seek asylum at legal entry points rights.

Hope that wasn’t too simple to be brilliant.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

You do realize they’re fleeing murder and rape in their home countries right? You do realize most want to seek asylum at legal entry points rights.

Hope that wasn’t too simple to be brilliant.
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You do know that if they come through legal entry points legally there is no problem, right?

Hope that wasn't to brilliantly simple for you

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do know that if they come through legal entry points legally there is no problem, right?

Hope that wasn't to brilliantly simple for you

this is correct...it is the ILLEGAL entries that are the problem...why is this so hard for stupid liberals to understand?

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do know that if they come through legal entry points legally there is no problem, right?

Hope that wasn't to brilliantly simple for you

Read the post I was responding to.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do know that if they come through legal entry points legally there is no problem, right?

Hope that wasn't to brilliantly simple for you

Face: meet egg
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Face: meet egg
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To be fair I think he just got a little excited and didn’t read Jim’s post.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

To be fair I think he just got a little excited and didn’t read Jim’s post.
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Don’t take it personally Jeff. You are usually right and just missed this one.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Don’t take it personally Jeff. You are usually right and just missed this one.
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I guess the same goes for you as well. Scroll up, you’re not going to pull a muscle.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do know that if they come through legal entry points legally there is no problem, right?

Hope that wasn't to brilliantly simple for you

The federal asylum statute specifically says that anyone who arrives in the United States “whether or not at a designated port of arrival…may apply for asylum.”

Why they bypass the POE from DHS
Office of Inspector General's report dated 9/27/18

DHS was not fully prepared to implement
the Administration’s Zero Tolerance Policy
or to deal with some of its after-effects.
Faced with resource limitations and other
challenges, DHS regulated the number of
asylum-seekers entering the country
through ports of entry at the same time that
it encouraged asylum-seekers to come to
the ports. During Zero Tolerance, CBP also
held alien children separated from their
parents for extended periods in facilities
intended solely for short-term detention.
DHS also struggled to identify, track, and
reunify families separated under Zero
Tolerance due to limitations with its
information technology systems, including
a lack of integration between systems.
Finally, DHS provided inconsistent
information to aliens who arrived with
children during Zero Tolerance, which
resulted in some parents not
understanding that they would be
separated from their children, and being
unable to communicate with their children
after separation.

Feel free to read the whole report
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/defaul...8-84-Sep18.pdf

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

You do realize they’re fleeing murder and rape in their home countries right? You do realize most want to seek asylum at legal entry points rights.

Hope that wasn’t too simple to be brilliant.
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Fear of being raped is not a valid reason for seeking asylum under the accords that the US signed. Neither is fear of being murdered, unless their government is mass murdering its citizens or is illegitimately trying to execute the asylum seeker.

The vast majority of illegal migrants are coming here for economic reasons, also which are not legitimate reasons for seeking asylum.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Fear of being raped is not a valid reason for seeking asylum under the accords that the US signed. Neither is fear of being murdered, unless their government is mass murdering its citizens or is illegitimately trying to execute the asylum seeker.

The vast majority of illegal migrants are coming here for economic reasons, also which are not legitimate reasons for seeking asylum.

This isn’t really true. Fear of being killed or raped by a gang because of your social group certainly could qualify.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn’t really true. Fear of being killed or raped by a gang because of your social group certainly could qualify.
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What does an asylum seeker have to prove?

Those seeking asylum must prove that that they are escaping their homeland because of persecution due to race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.[9] The Immigration and Nationality Act explicitly provides these five bases for granting asylum,[10] having been heavily influenced by the 1951 United Nations Convention on the Status of Refugees.

Though the first three bases are self-explanatory, persecution due to political opinion and membership in a social group are less clear. Persecution based on political opinion means that the asylum seeker holds political views that his homeland’s government doesn’t tolerate. An asylum seeker must provide evidence that his expressed political views have opposed those of his government. He can achieve this by providing evidence of speaking publicly in opposition to the government, publishing opposition literature, taking part in political activities on an opposing side, or joining an opposition political party.

Persecution due to membership in a social group is even more difficult to define and prove. Judges and asylum officers analyzing social group-based claims play close attention societal perceptions of the group to which the asylum seeker belongs.[11] As such, social group can vary in definition and interpretation. In one case, the Board of Immigration Appeals defined a particular social group as a “a group of persons, all of whom share a common, immutable characteristic.”[12] Additionally, the group must be “particular” and “socially distinct.”[13] Examples of social groups that satisfy the United States’ government’s definition include:

· Tribes;

· Ethnic groups;

· Social classes like laborers and labor union leaders; and

· Those persecuted for sexual preference[14]

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

What does an asylum seeker have to prove?

Those seeking asylum must prove that that they are escaping their homeland because of persecution due to race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.[9] The Immigration and Nationality Act explicitly provides these five bases for granting asylum,[10] having been heavily influenced by the 1951 United Nations Convention on the Status of Refugees.

Though the first three bases are self-explanatory, persecution due to political opinion and membership in a social group are less clear. Persecution based on political opinion means that the asylum seeker holds political views that his homeland’s government doesn’t tolerate. An asylum seeker must provide evidence that his expressed political views have opposed those of his government. He can achieve this by providing evidence of speaking publicly in opposition to the government, publishing opposition literature, taking part in political activities on an opposing side, or joining an opposition political party.

Persecution due to membership in a social group is even more difficult to define and prove. Judges and asylum officers analyzing social group-based claims play close attention societal perceptions of the group to which the asylum seeker belongs.[11] As such, social group can vary in definition and interpretation. In one case, the Board of Immigration Appeals defined a particular social group as a “a group of persons, all of whom share a common, immutable characteristic.”[12] Additionally, the group must be “particular” and “socially distinct.”[13] Examples of social groups that satisfy the United States’ government’s definition include:

· Tribes;

· Ethnic groups;

· Social classes like laborers and labor union leaders; and

· Those persecuted for sexual preference[14]

I want to seek asylum in the 51st state called Liberty

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You do realize they’re fleeing murder and rape in their home countries right? You do realize most want to seek asylum at legal entry points rights.

Hope that wasn’t too simple to be brilliant.
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and if i ever claimed that mexico had eliminated crime, you would have a point!! but i didn’t, so you don’t.

where was your criticism, when the democrats voted to fund a wall in the last, we all wonder?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and if i ever claimed that mexico had eliminated crime, you would have a point!! but i didn’t, so you don’t.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

where was your criticism, when the democrats voted to fund a wall in the last, we all wonder?
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I don't recall democrats ever voting for Trump's wall. They've voted for various border security bills some of which have contained bits of wall or fence or barricade. Not everything is so black and white like you make it out to be.