DNC builds fence (wall?) around convention site?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Ian

At this point in this race, I'm shocked that anyone can still be lambasting Hillary, because if she loses, Trump wins.

They are still lambasting Hillary because if she wins not only will Trump lose but the Supreme Court will be packed with Justices who will not honor their sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution, but will continue the Progressive mission to destroy it.

You think the rest of the world hates us right now? You think things were bad under the diplomatic policies of Obama, where we tried to settle things with conversation and reason? You think our soldiers were unsafe with Obama calling the shots as the commander in chief?

You mean the conversation and reason that created the "reset" with Russia? You mean the conversation and reason that created a sitting duck mission in Benghazi? You mean the conversation and reason that deployed drone strikes? You mean the conversation and reason that supported the violent overthrow of Qadaffi? You mean the conversation and reason that called for and supported the overthrow of Assad? You mean the conversation and reason that touted a so-called conversational and reasonable talking point--The Arab Spring--which exploded into uncontrollable violence? You mean the conversation and reason that dismissed ISIS as the JV? You mean the conversation and reason that led the world from behind while the Middle East burned? You mean the conversation and reason that created red lines which were crossed with impunity? And so forth . . . ?

Soldiers may be safe if they don't have to fight, but are we safe if they don't?

I have news for you, this guy is a full on whack job.

That is not news. It is propaganda which you swallow.

You can paint the whole "I don't like either one" but the reality is that one of them is going to win. And if its not Hillary, its Trump. The past 8 years have proven that a President with aspirations for social change in this country is borderline powerless, and can't do much along a hard left agenda.

Constitutionally speaking, which probably means nothing to you, a President does not, should not, have the unilateral power to force social change on this country. Progressives have, over time, transformed the executive branch as the Central power's figurehead that not only executes, but directs, even dictates, whether and in which way this country changes. And the past 8 years have demonstrated that growth in Presidential power. If the congress won't do it--I will. I have a pen and a phone. Presidents have increasingly, through the various levers of power given to them by Progressive extra-constitutional fabrications such as the regulatory agencies, put us under the thumb of their personal preferences and biases. It has happened so gradually over time that following generations haven't the experience of a different world so accept the growing Central power as how it is supposed to be. Obama has done much to continue the "fundamental transformation" of this country. It is curious that you don't see that. Maybe it has simply not been enough for you. How much power do you want the President to have. Or how much power do you want the Federal government to have, for that matter.

The next 4 years under President Trump would be a lesson in how much HARM a president can do to our domestic and foreign status.

The lesson in how much harm a President can do has grown, and has been demonstrated over the past 100 years of Constitutional deconstruction. The fact that you fear Trump is a result of that deconstruction. It has replaced, to a massive extent, Constitutional government which limits Federal powers in general, and Presidential power in specific, with the Progressive ideal of unlimited central power. That the people now accept this transformation, don't even realize that the transformation has occurred, is a testament to how HARMFUL ignorance is. The Progressives have created the Frankenstein that they now fear. They have been warned, over and over, that the centralized, nearly all-powerful, system (if it can be called a system) of government they have generated to replace the Constitutional order, would eventually be used to harm us in ways that following the Constitution would have prevented. That their own notions would come back to bite them. Along comes Trump. And he has been handed the precedent. They fear what they have created.

Personally, I don't fear Trump as much as Hillary, because he is not irrevocably married to Progressive ideology. I doubt that he is on a mission to thoroughly destroy the remnants of the Constitutional order and to create that unstoppable, unlimited central power which could come back to bite him when he leaves office. Just my opinion, he prefers having enough personal power to influence and "deal" with politicians rather than being utterly dictated to by them.

Besides, if he were to attempt to do something really harmful to this country, he would gladly be impeached by Democrats, and would have the support by most, or enough, Republicans to do so. Hillary, on the other hand, would be the next instrument of the Progressive movement. Her ideology, and her party's, would be the same. Impeaching her would not be possible.

I don't really like her either, but good god she's a better choice than a guy who openly praises the leadership abilities of multiple foreign dictators and invites espionage from a hostile foreign country to forward his status in a national election.

He did not invite espionage from a hostile foreign country. That is spin.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He did not invite espionage from a hostile foreign country. That is spin.

"If he is talking about the State Department e-mails on her server, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to steal sensitive American government information," Hayden said. "If he is talking about the allegedly private e-mails that she destroyed, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to violate the privacy of an individual protected by the Fourth Amendment to the American Constitution."

"Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about. Just a theory," Hayden said.

General Hayden is spinning?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

General Hayden is spinning?

I thought Hilary said with conviction that all those missing emails were of a personal nature (yoga classes), and not work-related. So unless she is lying (perish the thought!) there are no national security implications of his likely (who knows) sarcastic remark.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I thought Hilary said with conviction that all those missing emails were of a personal nature (yoga classes), and not work-related. So unless she is lying (perish the thought!) there are no national security implications of his likely (who knows) sarcastic remark.

Exactly ! However the false narrative about Benghazi that was put out by Hillary and President Obama was a direct threat to national security .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Exactly ! However the false narrative about Benghazi that was put out by Hillary and President Obama was a direct threat to national security .
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This makes no sense.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

This makes no sense.
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That's because you are a devout follower .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

That's because you are a devout follower .
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Bingo. Things like historical facts and 3rd grade arithmetic, must be denied to be a liberal. It's amazing.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

General Hayden is spinning?

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

I thought so.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

Really? Butch in a bubble?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Really? Butch in a bubble?
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Yeah, everyone knows that Hillary is butch--Trump sort of babbles--and your brain is in her bubble.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yeah, everyone knows that Hillary is butch--Trump sort of babbles--and your brain is in her bubble.

It's catchy but lacking.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

It's catchy but lacking.
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I'm not as perfect as you think you are.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's catchy but lacking.
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You know what else is lacking? Intellectual honesty, especially from a guy who cannot admit that the Republican party did the heavy lifting to end segregation and pass the 15th amendment to secure voting rights for blacks.

That is historical fact.

I pointed that out.

You implied I needed a history lesson.

I asked how so?

You never replied.

You, like every liberal I know, are unable to accept historical facts that aren't politically convenient for you. If your beliefs require you to deny historical facts, get some new beliefs.