IL unions get offered 14.5% raise, go on strike

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The county seat of Will County is the fastest growing city in Illinois.

No, it's math. Let's say your healthcare cost only 10,000 a year. If you're paying 5 wait now 10 percent of that per year the few percent of a 30,000 dollar salary isn't going to mean squat. Even with best case scenarios for wage increases you're not talking a lot more per month…

Not sure what you're saying here, but didn't the county's offer call for those making $30,000 to pay 4.3 percent of salary for health insurance, and the higher ratios, 10% and 13.7% to apply for increasingly higher salaries?

Does your health insurance cost more? Then you're screwed.

Isn't Obamacare going to fix that?

And you can't grow if you can't provide basic services to the local economy. If anything this is trickle down economics. Invest in the infrastructure which promotes business growth.

Woa? Does that sound strange…I'll bet it does.

-spence

Wait, I thought you began by saying the county seat of Will County is the fastest growing city in Illinois? Wouldn't that be unlikely or "strange" to happen if the trickle down of providing basic services to the local economy and investment in the infrastructure to promote business growth wasn't already occurring?

[Jim in CT]

Spence, what you are doing in this thread, as usual, is throwing one pro-union talking point after another, out there, hoping something will stick. When you rpoints are shown to be irrelevant, you simply move down your list to the next desperate explanation. It never occurs to you that if eeberything you say can be so easily refuted, perhaps you are on the wrong side of the issue.

My favorite...the county here, offered salary increases of 14.5%. In return, they asked employees to pay 10% of the cost of their healthcare (still a fraction of what those in the private scetor pay).

Your response? "Just because you're in bad financial shape doesn't mean you don't have a government to operate"

So in your mind, offering a 14.5% raise with increased healthcare copays, is equivalent to shutting the government down and firing all these people? How does one get so far detached from reality? Do you really, seriously, work in business in some capacity? Do your customers realize that you cannot differentiate between giving your employees a 14.5% raise, and shutting down th eoperation?

Stupifying.

[Sea Dangles]

stupifying; try the deal the Boston cops just got. 25% raise........

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, what you are doing in this thread, as usual, is throwing one pro-union talking point after another, out there, hoping something will stick. When you rpoints are shown to be irrelevant, you simply move down your list to the next desperate explanation. It never occurs to you that if eeberything you say can be so easily refuted, perhaps you are on the wrong side of the issue.

I haven't thrown out a single talking point Jim, I'm just detailing what's actually in the proposal.

Also, you haven't refuted anything yet.

My favorite...the county here, offered salary increases of 14.5%. In return, they asked employees to pay 10% of the cost of their healthcare (still a fraction of what those in the private scetor pay).

Your response? "Just because you're in bad financial shape doesn't mean you don't have a government to operate"

So in your mind, offering a 14.5% raise with increased healthcare copays, is equivalent to shutting the government down and firing all these people? How does one get so far detached from reality? Do you really, seriously, work in business in some capacity? Do your customers realize that you cannot differentiate between giving your employees a 14.5% raise, and shutting down th eoperation? .

The likely reason they have a low contribution to their health care premium is because most are so low wage to begin with. It's called a...are you ready?

"COMPENSATION PACKAGE"

When my wife worked at an autism non-profit they had excellent health benefits. Why? Because the pay was pretty low...

Compared to other union stories this one is a snooze...With all the serious stuff in the world you're going on a rampage against prison guards and nursing home workers.

Well played...well played.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Also, you haven't refuted anything yet.



-spence

Well, you said that the 14.5% raise, when coupled with the hike in out-of-pocket healthcare costs, wouldn't amount to "squat". I think we now know that's not true, don't we? Isn't it, in fact, a significant net increase?

Spence, you claim to work in business or finance, although I cannot begin to imagine in what capacity. If an entity is spending more than it takes in, does it not need to address that at some point? At some point, doesn't mathematical reality trump idealism when you are drowning in red ink?

You can go on and on and on about how these people are being mistreated, and how awful it is that their salaries are so low. What you never do, what no liberal ever does, is propose a specific, somewhat-realistic way to pay for the goodies you feel obligated to distribute on my behalf.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Not sure what you're saying here, but didn't the county's offer call for those making $30,000 to pay 4.3 percent of salary for health insurance, and the higher ratios, 10% and 13.7% to apply for increasingly higher salaries?

Correct, when I said "that" I mean of the salary and not the premium.

Isn't Obamacare going to fix that?

It should address it but not overnight.

Wait, I thought you began by saying the county seat of Will County is the fastest growing city in Illinois? Wouldn't that be unlikely or "strange" to happen if the trickle down of providing basic services to the local economy and investment in the infrastructure to promote business growth wasn't already occurring?

I never said the unions needed to get what they wanted to create growth. Rather, as far as IL goes they appear to be in a better position than most.

-spence