nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The core problem here is the fatal flaw with capitalism. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.. This is ever so evident if we look at the last decade and the shrinking middle class. So when the poor get poorer, and I'm talking the working poor here.. The ones who bust their asses every day just to make ends meet.. These are the people who will be helped by obamacare. I don't hae time to get into it more, but I feel that we are at the peak of sustainable capitalism. Houses are expensive, food is expensive.. Everything is.. All due to the falling value of the dollar.
Am I for this idealistically? No... But realistically, the average American working an average job has been priced out of the American dream. This can help so many. And who's to say that the money they save won't be spent on other goods and boost the economy somehow.
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that was funny

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

that was funny

You disagree that the dollars value has dumped? That the middle class is shrinking and that people can't afford to live Ina home that they used to be able to afford 10 years ago and that affordable healthcare won't help people? That's even funnier.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You disagree that the dollars value has dumped? That the middle class is shrinking and that people can't afford to live Ina home that they used to be able to afford 10 years ago and that affordable healthcare won't help people? That's even funnier.
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The poor are poor because we take too much from the rich and give it to the poor.

That is why wealth is being consolidated at the top.


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[Raider Ronnie]

The poor are poor because they are either lazy or stupid (or a combination of the 2)
The rich (self made rich) didn't get rich being lazy, stupid or a combination of the 2.
Always the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing apologist Spence !

Originally Posted by spence

The poor are poor because we take too much from the rich and give it to the poor.

That is why wealth is being consolidated at the top.


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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

The poor are poor because they are either lazy or stupid (or a combination of the 2)
The rich (self made rich) didn't get rich being lazy, stupid or a combination of the 2.
Always the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing apologist Spence !

Are you rich?
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[justplugit]

The poor are getting poorer because there are fewer jobs in this economy for them to work at. However, I keep seeing help wanted signs in many small retail businesses, but people can make out just as well with all their Govt. give a ways. Takes away incentive.

Jobs are being lost in the poorer states like W. Virginia because the EPA is causing the coal mines to produce less coal with lay offs of up to 70% of the work force. The Keystone pipe line, drilling and fracking would help workers as these, who want to work, get jobs. At the same time we could become energy independent and not have to deal with all this stuff in the Middle East.
But that makes too much sense.
I laugh when people put down the rich, they have no clue as to how much sacrifice time and effort are required to become rich. They provide jobs and benefits for people and pay taxes.
Obama loves to see them become richer as they are the ones who are paying the large % of the taxes that he can use to give away more.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Are you rich?
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Am I rich, no
Am I poor, no
Somewhere in the middle and have worked my ass off my whole life and have never taken or asked for a hand out, ever !

[Fishpart]

And another thing, try and find a machinist... YOU CAN'T why? se During the Clinton years the GVT controlled monopoly education system decided to stop teaching the trades and send everyone to college and transition to a "Service Economy", look what that did for us.

Why are house prices out of control? The governmnet got involved in the mortgage business, Barney and crew hauled the bank presidents in fromt of a Senate Sub-Comittee and forced them to give out loans to everyone without verifying income etc... Then Chris Dodd made the statement that the loans were backed by fannie and Freddie and didn't need to be capitalized at 20%, 2% was good enough because the loans were backed by the faith and credit of the GVT, which then created the derivative market which caused the crash...

The government isn't the solution, it IS the problem. Read von Hayek, we are on the rod to serfdom..

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You disagree that the dollars value has dumped? That the middle class is shrinking and that people can't afford to live Ina home that they used to be able to afford 10 years ago and that affordable healthcare won't help people? That's even funnier.
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can't possibly be happening in the age of Obama, it was declared early in his presidency that we are all socialists now, we've not been practicing "capitalism" for quite some time, we've been slouching toward progressive socialism which is built on lies as is becoming quite obvious....you can blame it on some "fatal flaw" with capitalism , it's convenient but nonsensical...I think a lot of Americans would like a whole lot more capitalism right now...