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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I cannot fathom.
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really? it shouldn't be surprising that many are either not proud of our founding and/or history past or recent....there has for some time been a movement that seeks to move away from our founding and eroded current principles and it's far easier to move on "progress" and detach from them or turn them on their head if you have/acknowledge no relationship to them or can villify them as unfair or incomplete(note how many here refuse to answer/ignore Detbuch's Constitutionality questions)...which is what explains these remarks that surprise and anger you, some can look at America's past as a source of inspiration and a triumph of ideals that are unique to our founding while acknowledging that it's not always been perfect or you can look for America's past faults to justify your anger and desire to overturn what is established in exchange for something that some consider better, smarter, fairer etc......you can follow the bouncing ball that is the Obama's to see very clearly that they represent the latter...
excerpt from something I read this morning that nails it...
"......progressivism’s unreflective rejection of the principles of the American Founding.
The old progressives were an oddly mixed bag; the movement’s roots could be seen in both parties at the time. On the one hand, people such as Woodrow Wilson and John Dewey explicitly rejected the natural-rights philosophy of the American Founding in favor of an admixture of Hegelian and Darwinian “pragmatism,” according to which “progress” is essentially the growth of the state. Many progressives thought our Constitution was obsolete, though they were able to fix that problem by bringing it to life. These beliefs remain the philosophical core of modern liberalism, though very few liberals, now that Richard Rorty is dead, can puzzle out the deep presuppositions of it anymore. Instead, today’s progressives hold a lazy presumption that progress entails politicizing every problem without end. This is the aspect of progressivism that Ryan most directly challenges."
don't you ever wonder how it is that some can argue ad nauseum over details of this and that in impressive detail suggesting that those that disageee are either ignorant or misinformed.... but at the same time are either unable or unwilling to answer even simple Constitutional questions?....my guess is that for them and many, these are irrelevant questions
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