Ukraine

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda and happens to help my agenda. but it’s true.

Jim your the only person I know who spews this fleeing argument is based on 1 thing escaping liberalism .

then when presented with many other factors to why its happening

It is I who should be saying "i’m sorry that spits in the face of your agenda "

because you are the one insisting no other reasons exist Besides fleeing liberalism.. that's what an agenda looks like

some more facts

The Sunshine State get a deal on homeownership, paying less than 1% for property taxes while other popular states pay more than 2%.

I doubt people are moving because of 1%

The Association reports that close to 28% of the people relocating to Florida came from Texas
so are Texans fleeing liberalism? 6% coming from California. how can that be

and of course Florida’s no income tax along with Alaska, Nevada, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming

States with no income tax often make up the lost revenue with other taxes or reduced services. See Jim there is Always a catch

please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

many people move just for the weather, or proximity to golf, work, etc. but politics is a part of it, a big part, because politics plays a big role in determining the cost of living of a place.

liberals want to pretend it has nothing to do with liberalism. i just point out that’s it’s part of it. i never came close to saying it’s 100% because of liberalism.

you say “it’s more than politics”, then say part of it is low taxes.

Earth to Wayne….low taxes primarily exist in places that are economically conservative.

do you really think that tax rates have nothing to do with whether or not a state is liberal or conservative?

think of the cheapest states to
live in, in terms of taxes. how many are solidly blue states? any?

“states with low taxes often give up services.”

correct. and americans are figuring out, that they’ll happily give up whatever those services are, to avoid taxes.

NH has no income tax or sales tax. i could move there and put an extra $1,000 in my pocket every month for the rest of my life. i don’t know what i’d be giving up exactly, in terms of services. my friends who have moved there from CT don’t feel like they gave up anything.

i think what you give up, is waste.


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

many people move just for the weather, or proximity to golf, work, etc. but politics is a part of it, a big part, because politics plays a big role in determining the cost of living of a place.

liberals want to pretend it has nothing to do with liberalism. i just point out that’s it’s part of it. i never came close to saying it’s 100% because of liberalism.

you say “it’s more than politics”, then say part of it is low taxes.

Earth to Wayne….low taxes primarily exist in places that are economically conservative.

do you really think that tax rates have nothing to do with whether or not a state is liberal or conservative?

think of the cheapest states to
live in, in terms of taxes. how many are solidly blue states? any?

“states with low taxes often give up services.”

correct. and americans are figuring out, that they’ll happily give up whatever those services are, to avoid taxes.

NH has no income tax or sales tax. i could move there and put an extra $1,000 in my pocket every month for the rest of my life. i don’t know what i’d be giving up exactly, in terms of services. my friends who have moved there from CT don’t feel like they gave up anything.

i think what you give up, is waste.


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please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

every post you make on the topic...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

please, please point out where i ever said that liberal politics is the only reason why people moving?

every post you make on the topic...

i’ve repeatedly said it’s one reason.

you see zero connection between taxes and politics. it’s just a coincidence that liberal states tend to have high taxes and conservative states tend to have low taxes.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’ve repeatedly said it’s one reason.

you see zero connection between taxes and politics. it’s just a coincidence that liberal states tend to have high taxes and conservative states tend to have low taxes.
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More smoke and mirrors Jim

conservatives states have less services ! OMG 8 of the top 10 on the federal teat! are red states states.. odd for red states to scream about socialism but won't tax their residents in an effort to pay their own states Bills .. funny how that works yet

Red States Lead With Federal Dependence red states are 24% dependent on federal funds as compared to 14% of blue states



in the U.S. that were most dependent on the federal government in 2021,

1 New Mexico Blue

2 West Virginia Red

3 Mississippi Red


4 Alaska Red



5 Montana Red


6 Kentucky Red

7 Alabama Red

8 Arizona Red

9 Louisiana Red

10 Vermont Red


So clearly federal dollars from Blue states are funding the ability of red states to not tax their residents .. But claim their against raising taxes! but have no issues taking federal moneys to prop up their states finances so they dont need to raise taxes .. hypocrisy at its finest ,

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So clearly federal dollars from Blue states are funding the ability of red states to not tax their residents .. But claim their against raising taxes! but have no issues taking federal moneys to prop up their states finances so they dont need to raise taxes .. hypocrisy at its finest ,

This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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Please elucidate on the BIG picture for those who might have simple minds
Use small words and succinct explanations so your interpretation is clear.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

This is a very simple minded view that completely ignores the big picture
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according to AOC, these guys only attack us because they have the hots for us. Scott, we’re a couple of hotties!
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[Pete F.]

Obviously, demonstrating the preponderance of the use of the little head is not readily apparent to the Trumplicans
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Nebe

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

[scottw]

^^^^awwww.....miss you guys

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.

Nebestrodamus.....we will watch this one

[PaulS]

Shocking watch Rs taking the side of Russia over the Ukraine.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Shocking watch Rs taking the side of Russia over the Ukraine.

Russia shares their Democratic values. Did you really not know that?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...-report-2022-1
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...-report-2022-1
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biden creates unwanted panic every time he speaks....struggled a bit with "decrepit" yesterday...which is ironic

de·crep·it
/dəˈkrepət/
adjective
(of a person) elderly and infirm.


can't make this stuff up......

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...-report-2022-1
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Another FJB flag flyer speaks

Seems you haven’t been following Ukraine that closely

DEC 16th

Russia could invade us ‘in the blink of an eye,’ Ukrainian foreign minister warns

JAN 28th. But now the message has changed.

Ukraine's president told Biden to 'calm down' Russian invasion warnings, saying he was creating unwanted panic: report

So which is It?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Another FJB flag flyer speaks

Seems you haven’t been following Ukraine that closely

DEC 16th

Russia could invade us ‘in the blink of an eye,’ Ukrainian foreign minister warns

JAN 28th. But now the message has changed.

Ukraine's president told Biden to 'calm down' Russian invasion warnings, saying he was creating unwanted panic: report

So which is It?
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Just like the science changing, so do current events, the latest was that their prez told our prez to STFU

I kept the reply short to help with your comprehension issues.
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[wdmso]

not sure if the MAGA world or Republicans pay any attention to past events

Republican after Republican keep parroting the same message

Putin 'Smells Weak US and' What happened on Trump's watch? Nothing,''

But they were singing a different tune in early 2020

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah described Trump's move as "a gift to Russia" and a "slap in the face at a friend and ally.

retired US Navy Adm. Jim Stravidis, the former top military commander in Europe and NATO, said hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, 2016

let's revisit Trumps watch on Ukraine and Nato

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Trump’s barrage of attacks ‘beyond belief,’ reeling NATO diplomats say

Trump Belittles NATO in the Run-Up to the Putin Summit july 2018

Trump's Germany troops pullout may be his last gift to Putin before the election

Trump has offered No statements centered on Ukraine have been published on his PAC’s website. Jan 2022... no condemnation towards russia or Putin

and we all know how he tried to Strong Arm Ukraine for Dirt on Biden


So in a nutshell Putin Ask Trump to withdraw troop and destabilize nato and like a good Puppet and he did just that
Just like he Tried to steal the election here in the US

yet republicans refuse to hold him accountable for anything


But their outraged and see

That Biden relaunches 'Cancer Moonshot' initiative aimed at halving rate of cancer deaths by 2047 as arrogance


Why when It comes to Trump everything is somehow a coincidence

never planned or done in coordination with others even when the facts show otherwise ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

not sure if the MAGA world or Republicans pay any attention to past events

Republican after Republican keep parroting the same message

Putin 'Smells Weak US and' What happened on Trump's watch? Nothing,''

But they were singing a different tune in early 2020

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah described Trump's move as "a gift to Russia" and a "slap in the face at a friend and ally.

retired US Navy Adm. Jim Stravidis, the former top military commander in Europe and NATO, said hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, 2016

let's revisit Trumps watch on Ukraine and Nato

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

Trump’s barrage of attacks ‘beyond belief,’ reeling NATO diplomats say

Trump Belittles NATO in the Run-Up to the Putin Summit july 2018

Trump's Germany troops pullout may be his last gift to Putin before the election

Trump has offered No statements centered on Ukraine have been published on his PAC’s website. Jan 2022... no condemnation towards russia or Putin

and we all know how he tried to Strong Arm Ukraine for Dirt on Biden


So in a nutshell Putin Ask Trump to withdraw troop and destabilize nato and like a good Puppet and he did just that
Just like he Tried to steal the election here in the US

yet republicans refuse to hold him accountable for anything


But their outraged and see

That Biden relaunches 'Cancer Moonshot' initiative aimed at halving rate of cancer deaths by 2047 as arrogance


Why when It comes to Trump everything is somehow a coincidence

never planned or done in coordination with others even when the facts show otherwise ?

Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker...

Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..

Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”

No official readout was Taken and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election




Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2ad_story.html

[wdmso]

Republican senators say they are not moved by Fox News host Tucker Carlson's recent rants in favor of Russia's Vladimir Putin while deriding support of Ukraine.

Carlson has been on a tirade rationalizing Russia's aggression toward Ukraine and downplaying its relevance to U.S. national security.

But major Republican figures are not afraid of taking on Fox's top-rated host for what they believe is dangerous thinking, if not outright propaganda.


amazing Tucker again ...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..

Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”

No official readout was Taken and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election




Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2ad_story.html

"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"

The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...

1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.

The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.

The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.

NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.

Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.

You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"

The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...

1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.

The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.

The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.

NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.

Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.

You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House?

Sorry but Putin’s puppet let Putin’s GDP grow each year of his administration, undermined Zelinsky, played his idiotic power trips with NATO partners and never forget Helsinki.

The RNC spent years giving cover to the many scandals involving Trump while he was having an affair with Russia, whose President happened to be Trump's leading banker.

If you find yourself echoing Putin - Biden is goading Russia to invade Ukraine - you should reconsider your assumptions. Putin was trained to lie in the KGB, killed innocents, annexed territory, arrested opponents. You trust him? Want to be on his side?

Some people seem surprised the Trump/America First wing of the GOP is so vehemently against helping Ukraine against Putin. But the original America First Committee was vehemently against helping Britain against Hitler. “America First” was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
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[scottw]

brandon administration losing the only people left propping them up...

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, tweeted: “Both of these responses from Psaki and Price are completely dumb and gross and only make them, and the case they are making, look worse.”

[Got Stripers]

Wonder why Russia wants to invade.

How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wonder why Russia wants to invade.

How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

wow. i wonder if they do a good job at managing all that, is it still a very poor country?
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[wdmso]

UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss says the government is "very clear there could be an imminent invasion of Ukraine" and calls on British citizens to "leave now"

Let me guess the Brits are making this up

Yet Republicans running in high-profile primary races aren't racing to defend Ukraine against a possible Russian invasion. They're settling on a different line of attack: Blame Biden, not Putin.

The gop Doing the fear on the border … Biden cares more about Ukraine's border than America's southern border.

Because don’t forget according to conservatives we are being invaded by Brown people
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wow. i wonder if they do a good job at managing all that, is it still a very poor country?
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oligarchs working in collaboration with the ruling establishment. The economy is riddled by inefficiency and corruption. State enterprises continue to drain the national budget to the enrichment of its controlling interests.

And US President trying to blackmail them hasn’t helped
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