It's time for us to take more serious action here ...

[Finaddict]

Excuse my naivete ... but it's time to take decisive action. Punch hard and fast, wipe them out before they can do anything. I have been trying to become a more peaceful individual (world peace and love and all that kind of garbage) but this cancer needs to be erased. Time for hawks, no doves.

North Korea says it is entering 'state of war' with South - World News

[spence]

What do you suggest?

-spence

[Nebe]

The game they play is to threaten war in exchange for money and food.
No money.. No food.. We kill you.
China would never let NK get away with attacking SK.
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[nightfighter]

Just cut off his access to coke and Swedish hookers.... He has an insatiable appetite for both.

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Just cut off his access to coke and Swedish hookers.... He has an insatiable appetite for both.

Might lash out against ABBA fans.

It's an interesting situation, North Korea could kill a lot of people before they were wiped out. It would make the mess in Iraq look a warm up.

-spence

[likwid]

We're not the world police.
Someone else can deal with them.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

We're not the world police.
Someone else can deal with them.

"Bound by a bilateral alliance treaty, the U.S. is responsible for protecting South Korea if it comes under enemy attack"

"Security experts say it successfully detonated a miniaturized nuclear device in its Feb. 12 test, which followed the launch of a long-range rocket in late December. The combination suggests Pyongyang may be close to attaining a capacity to attack the U.S. with a nuclear missile, and prompted the U.S. to announce the installment of additional missile inceptors on the West Coast."

North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats? - CSMonitor.com

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by likwid

We're not the world police.
Someone else can deal with them.

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

[BigFish]

Pull out of the middle east and let the dogs tear each other apart! And leave Asia to its own devices...they live there...we do not! When two big dogs get their backs up....let them fight!!

[Raven]

you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle....

if we did that we would be in the wrong and then
have earned the imperialist bad guys name

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Raven

you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle....

if we did that we would be in the wrong and then
have earned the imperialist bad guys name

"you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle"

The hell you can't.

There is no international law, no section of the Geneva Convention, no particle of common sense, that says you let the other guy punch you in the nose first, before you hit back.

How many lives would you be willing to sacrifice before you gave the order? You'd wait for a missile to land in Manhattan before you retaliate?

I'm not saying it's going to come to that. I'm saying there's no glory in letting the other guy break your nose before you put your hands up and take a swing.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Pull out of the middle east and let the dogs tear each other apart!
And leave Asia to its own devices...they live there...we do not!
When two big dogs get their backs up....let them fight!!

you can do that LARRY but the problem is the radioactive waste cloud
would drift over here pretty fast....
the same as the smog hitting california coast from china lately...

i am suspicious that the dying seals might be an indicator of spilled
radio active waters from japan...having an effect down the food chain
the same as toads and frogs abnormalities/deformities are indicators for land
based pollution in the environment.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

[Raven]

we have money ONLY for Peace

we gave Mexico 1 billion + for anti cartel efforts last year
instead of ending pot prohibition to kill their black market biz

talk about a waste of money, it's in the trillion dollar category now

they just set up seven plastic chairs and killed a guy in each one
as their latest SHOW of brutality

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by likwid

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

SK today is a much more professional military than the last time they went head to head with the Norks. SK will probably roll the Norks all the way back (assuming China doesn't jump in) to the China / Russian borders. But at human costs that could easily dwarf the last 10 years of war.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Seems the Soviets thought they could (afford another war) and look where that got them.

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

[Raven]

not to mention they are most often clueless about health
and are too set in their ways to change Period...
unless it's LIFE THREATONING.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

And the scary thing is Jim, more people are on Medicaid then Medicare!! Think about that ....
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Technically the Korean War never really ended anyways.....so he's just puffing out his chest for the sake of the news.

Nebe is right too....China is getting pretty fed up with them too...
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

....China is getting pretty fed up with them too...

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they're just following China's lead....

[Raven]

dropping a bunker buster bomb onto their Nuclear enrichment
underground facility often comes to mind and i'm sure it's
a high priority target.... if and when a war breaks out.

if the majority of North Koreans knew how vastly superior
our military capability is ...they'd tear that punk limb from limb.

[PRBuzz]

This posturing has been going on since the 50's, the Korean War never ended, the biggest unknowns today are the 2 new rulers of each country and how they play the game.

[PRBuzz]

So now the NK army has the OK to use limited NUC's! US is sending missile defense battery to Guam.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

So now the NK army has the OK to use limited NUC's! US is sending missile defense battery to Guam.

Seeing it is almost definitely posturing rhetoric to make the capitalist running lackey dogs squirm under the tremor of fear as in open source they probably have not miniaturized a nuke small enough to sit on a rocket (think Satellite size - which is why their previous "satellite" launches are really worrisome) there is nothing to fear of SRBM/MRBM type systems. Sneaking a nuke into So Korea might be a different story but outside of the Korean Peninsular it should not be a concern. Chemical or Biological weapons could be a concern on MRBM through the second island chain, ie Guam / Marianas.

[spence]

My understanding is the real risk is from the million plus howitzer shells over the border and 600,000 special forces they could send over the border to create chaos.

China will likely snub this before it boils over, last think they want is a nuke arms race.
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[scottw]

agree with Spence that it's not a nuke or bio threat on US territory likely but more and incident that spirals and resounds throughout the region, which is how most major conflicts tend to start, there is more tension in that region that just NK....our economy is intertwined throughout that area with allies and idealogical foes...disagree on China however, I think they are very content to have little brother causing us such angst...their main concern would be a stream of refugees over the border but they're beefing up the guns to deal with that and have already been turning back military defectors....they might use an opportunity like this to expand their influence and footprint which is the direction they've been inching toward for sometime drawing Japan in and others....interesting and comforting listening to the former undersecretary of defense yesterday explain that we've planned for virtually every possible scenario together with SK regarding their reaction to various actions by NK...but things never seem to go as planned

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9251GU20130306