22 dead kids

[UserRemoved1]

Sad

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070416/D8OHQA5O0.html

They had them in lockdown, lifted the lockdown and he started shooting again.

[JohnR]

unbelievable

[PaulS]

I had just heard 17 shot w/ only 2 killed.

Sad!

[fishpoopoo]

in VA it is not against the law to carry concealed on a college campus, except for VCU (a one-off exception). open carry is legal almost everywhere.

if there was just ONE armed citizen on campus - who knows if the outcome would have been different.

words which will forever live in infamy:

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

[fishsmith]

OMG that is horrible, god bless the victims families.
How much more f'd is going to get.

[Andy D]

Another A$$HOLE with a deathwish that didn't have the balls to kill himself . Figures kill a few students and let the police kill me. F%%KIN
COWARD

[fishpoopoo]

news is saying that the shooter did kill himself.

[BigFish]

Why can't they just take themselves out?!?!?!? Why do they always have to take alot of innocent, vibrant lives with them?!?!?!?

[fishpoopoo]

...but HOW could something like this ever happen?

The university BANNED GUNS on campus.

[Raven]

the metal detector searches ?

such a waste of innocent lives...

and nobody saw this coming.???

[Andy D]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

news is saying that the shooter did kill himself.

Thanks for the correction

[BigFish]

What can you say......such a shame! What the hell is wrong with these kinds of people????

[UserRemoved1]

abc news is reporting 32 killed and many more coming.

[Slipknot]

HORRIBLE!
I just saw video on news from a cell phone, looked like the cops weren't moving too fast. What a sad day.
I'm with Ben, more armed citizens can help in situations like this.

[Jenn]

I agree. The laws only stop the law abiding from carrying.....not the lunatics that do these things.

[fishsmith]

The whole thing sucks, lunatics are everywhere.

Tonight at bedtime I went over the lock down procedures at the elementary school with my 6 and 8yr old kids.

Sad day, very, very sad day.

[Saltheart]

No preparartion by the security forceat the school would have put then where needed at the time needed. they could all be Rambos but if they aren't in the exact room at that moment , no chnace. the idea that everyone should be armed to defend themselves in this kind of situation has some merit. i always thought that if i was in the victims spot , I;'d want to at least try to shoot back if i had a weapon.

On the other hand , 33 dead by a nut case in a rare even is better than 500 dead , 2 per night , as people blast eachother at drunken college partys over sports , broken hearts , last weeks cardgame , etc.

I honestly don't think there is anything that can be done to guard against the lone rabid gunman. He gets to pick his target. If he's at all lucid , he's going to avoid any security etc when he chooses where he will go balistic.

[fishpoopoo]

yup it was a 23 year-old South Korean national.

confirmed 9mm and .22. likely only used the 9mm.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Remember, a lot of these "Law-Abiding" Citizens that you want to arm are also the Same ones that are doing Keg-Stands and Jello-Shots on an almost nighty basis.

Tell me that ain't a recipe for disaster in itself

[fishpoopoo]

true, but what about professors, teaching assistance and other employees?

also, it is unlawful for concealed handgun permittees to be under the influence of alcohol/drugs and be armed. most people who value their permits understand this.

the same goes with cars. you don't booze and drive cars at the same time. most responsible people who value their driving privileges understand this.

and by the way, i slept with a loaded .357 mag under my bed in school. no problems whatsoever.

[daceman63]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

true, but what about professors, teaching assistance and other employees?
also, it is unlawful for concealed handgun permittees to be under the influence of alcohol/drugs and be armed. most people who value their permits understand this.

the same goes with cars. you don't booze and drive cars at the same time. most responsible people who value their driving privileges understand this.

and by the way, i slept with a loaded .357 mag under my bed in school. no problems whatsoever.

That's assuming that the people you mentioned want to exercise their right to keep and bear arms. You can't force them too....so maybe most teachers and professors and othe remployees at the school are anti gun. You end up with a similar result. Then what, sue the school because someone went nuts and the teacher didn't provide the necessary protection he could have if he had been carrying?

[chris L]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Remember, a lot of these "Law-Abiding" Citizens that you want to arm are also the Same ones that are doing Keg-Stands and Jello-Shots on an almost nighty basis.

Tell me that ain't a recipe for disaster in itself

but remember
the guys in the military do too .
I dont agree with arming the students , arm the employees ! let them carry to work . who is in the halls ,the basement , all over the campus and most have an idea whats right and wrong . da employees . they even know how to get into buildings with chained doors . service tunnels

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by chris L

but remember
the guys in the military do too .

But they don't have their guns with them...they are locked up in the Armory when they are out partying on town.

....and Mommy and Daddy aren't going to bail out some enlisted dude when he does something stupid with it.

what happens to a guy in the Miltary if he gets caught drunk on Watch.....he'll be paying for it for quite awhile

[chris L]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

But they don't have their guns with them...they are locked up in the Armory when they are out partying on town.

....and Mommy and Daddy aren't going to bail out some enlisted dude when he does something stupid with it.

what happens to a guy in the Miltary if he gets caught drunk on Watch.....he'll be paying for it for quite awhile

I knew people that partied on guard duty ( with 45's ) , on manuevers with 45's and m2 mg and in m60 tanks ( 105 mm (63 rounds ) 50 cal and 2 7.62 mg and more ammo you could shake a stick at . No partying in town with weapons and no mommy and daddy , but it still happened . today the younguns think differently and I blame todays parent

[The Dad Fisherman]

I agree with you there....No problem with the Professors and responsible adults having them....its just the kids that make me nervous.

I don't think to many students major in Common Sense 101 these days....although they should

[BW from AZ]

I have very strong feeling about all of this. I agree with some and disagree with others. Guns dont belong in the hands of anyone without proper training and respect.
There is a lot that can be learned from all this. Dont waste it.
The highest price has already been paid by 31 inocent lives. Now make decisions with this very expensive knowledge so it isnt likely to happen again. He (the gunman) couldnt be stopped prior to this, but it should not have taken so long to end it.

(this is the tamed down version)

[Skip N]

No gun control in the world would've stopped this kid from doing this, he clearly had a vision in his mind of commiting mass murder, regalrdless of the gun laws, this kid would've found a way to gain access to a firearm and commit murder. If someone wants a gun that bad they'll find a way to get one, regardless of how tough the gun laws are.

So all the people calling for more gun control just dont get it, this kid would've found a way to get a gun regardless.

Rot in hell you %$%$%$%$ing murdering bastard

Just heard on the news that one of the kids murdered was from Lincoln, RI Hits even closer to home now.

[wheresmy50]

There's no way the legal carry is at 1%. 1% may have permits, but that doesn't mean 1% carry.

I have a permit and carry about 0.5% of the time. Someone could shoot up the office and my pistol would be safe and sound at home while I'm contemplating taking a pen to a gun fight. I don't think most people would carry to class - why would you need to?

I really don't think this a legal carry issue, other than to say we need more licensing and more actual legal carry. Even where legal, laws and society provide a strong disincentive.

CNN reported yesterday that the suspect was reportedly carrying a 9mm and 22mm pistol. That pretty much sums up their understanding of guns.

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

There's no way the legal carry is at 1%. 1% may have permits, but that doesn't mean 1% carry.

I have a permit and carry about 0.5% of the time....I don't think most people would carry to class - why would you need to?

Sadly, there were at least 33 reasons yesterday to carry to class.

Nobody says you HAVE to CCW, but those willing to shoulder the burden (and it is a BURDEN) should be allowed to.

[fishpoopoo]