Gay Marriage in Mass? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

fishweewee · 11-19-2003, 11:38 AM

What do you think?

C-5 CC · 11-19-2003, 12:18 PM

I think that "gay marriage" is just another way that this group of whining, complaining, immoral individuals is trying to make the gay lifestyle part of mainstream America. It is along the same lines as prime time TV, I think just about every show has it's token homosexual. "They (GLAD) are trying to force their lifestyle into every home in America. Well...NOT IN MY HOUSE!!! When that crap comes on TV, the channel gets changed!
The simple fact that gay marriage is even a major point of discussion in todays society, tells me that our Country is in moral decline! It's a shame!!!
That's what I think.
Brandon

C-5 CC · 11-19-2003, 12:19 PM

What do you think about it FWW?

fishsmith · 11-19-2003, 12:40 PM

I vote no.
Like on Sienfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that" what happens in a divorce? Can the overburdened courts handle this?

mar·riage ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)
n.

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

fishweewee · 11-19-2003, 12:45 PM

I don't have a beef with gay people getting together and living their lives as happy as they can ... but I think we have to draw the line when it comes to marriage.

There are a lot of religious, socio-economic, and legal issues here - it's very rich and complicated and I don't feel like getting into a substantive discussion about it.

-ww

Clammer · 11-19-2003, 12:50 PM

FWW =you gotta start #^&#^&#^&#^& //this is a fishin site & to each their own ===============

Like you needed to buy another reel/

still got bait =you got time ???///////

Rappin Mikey · 11-19-2003, 12:53 PM

I was listening to the UMASS game on the radio last night (Bring it Bobby Knight!) When I heard my girlfriend yell downstairs something about striped-bass and to turn to 57. Well, it was that show Gay Eye for the Strait Guy. Anyway, the gay chef guy was showing the straight guy a recipe for striped-bass. He put some kind of glaze on it. So at least they have good taste in fish. It impressed the guys girlfriend so much she moved in with him.

JohnR · 11-19-2003, 01:03 PM

To each their own. It does not bother me except perhaps using the naming convention "marriage". I'm on the fence about it as the historical, social, and religous meanings for thousands of years define it as a union of man & woman. I think "marriage" should be reserved for man & wife but I think SSCs (same sex couples - how's that for an acronym

) can have something comparable but using perhaps a different name. I believe a lot in our constitution and our constitution does afford SSCs the same rights & priveledges allowed by all and they should, by the constitution, be allowed to make a legal, couple, binding but perhaps under a different name?. I really have not thought this all through as I have bigger things on my plate locally than thinking globally...

Notaro · 11-19-2003, 01:06 PM

If a homosexual couple wants to get married, then they should go to Vermont. Massachuetts is already crowded with tenants. I got no beef with them unless they hit on me, then I get pissed hard and easily. Yo, what about Bisexuality marriage? Supposed a straight individual has a bi gf or bf and three of them want to get married and lead a odd polygamy marriage?

what's your opinion on this one? have you dudes ever thought about it?

JohnR · 11-19-2003, 01:14 PM

Notaro - you have too much time on your hands

Jenn · 11-19-2003, 01:46 PM

gay marriage...well dont really bother me if two people really love each other than great....but I dont think they need their own PUBLICLY funded schools (wasnt that an issue in NY or something?? if its private and they pay there own way fine)

This bi thing has me baffled though????? is that supposed to be like having your cake and................oh never mind!

Jimbo · 11-19-2003, 02:04 PM

I don't really care if it's not going to cost me any more money, nor change MY lifestyle nor that of my kids, nor inconvenience me in any way. I got too much of my own chit to worry about rather than if I have issues with the fact that Johnny has two dads. My wife wishes we had some gay people in our development, because she says gay men make great neighbors. I suppose so in one sense, at least I wouldn't have to worry about them coveting their neighbor's wife.

Newboater · 11-19-2003, 02:22 PM

Well, I had a lot of service time before the current 'Don't ask, Don't Tell Revolution' and the few soldiers who I found out were gay but didn't advertise it were usually very good soldiers, even the one in Vietnam who served under fire very well.

But even when I moved to NH in 1996, a neighbor two doors down ( female ) came over and very nicely introducted herself and said 'Hope you don't mind but I'm a Lesbian.' I said without a smile 'Gee, I think I'm a Lesbian too, I'm always looking for women'. We've shared many a laugh since then.

But openly gay marriages ? Not one of my priorities to approve of. Whats next, I could want 2 or 3 wives, my wife could want 2 or 3 husbands. Where would it end? Probably with me washing dishes.

Ah to heck with it. Only 5 months until I take the boat out of the forest and find someone to teach this ole fart how to fish for stripers here in Seacoast NH.

The Ole Sarge

RIROCKHOUND · 11-19-2003, 02:23 PM

I have to say who cares? The way I look at it, if your child came home, announced he/she was gay and getting married would you kick them out, tell them it was wrong etc... The religious implications aside... if it doesnt affect me then who cares... oh and Notaro, I agree with you, I dislike being hit on by dudes.. thankfully being the non preppy type their GAYDAR doesn't go off with me.... I vote yes.. who cares... lets talk fishin'

Bryan

fishweewee · 11-19-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Clammer
FWW =you gotta start #^&#^&#^&#^& //this is a fishin site & to each their own ===============

Like you needed to buy another reel/

still got bait =you got time ???///////

Mike - I dunno. This weekend and next are booked - you think there will still be them whitechins around after x giving?

FishermanTim · 11-19-2003, 03:25 PM

I think that gay couples deserve the same benefits of a MONOGAMOUS relationship as heterosexual coples do. Most people against these unions are afraid that it will affect their lives directly, like having a gay neighbor is going to rub off on them somehow. The big argument was the "morality" issue, as if the fact that the "straight" couples had set any kind of a moral example. (How many glorified celebrities have been through more marriages than most people have shoes? Why do most TV shows brazenly endorse immoral virtues, having every character sleep with every other character?
I have an uncle who has been in a same-sex relationship for well over thirty years.
Wierd that a lot more people are not as eager to get married because of the cost of getting divorced. Funny, HUH?

beachwalker · 11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

Notaro,

you are tweaked. Remind me never to go to far offshore on your boat.

Just kidding but John is right.

Try not to think too deep on this one.

Bliz · 11-19-2003, 04:21 PM

Sorry guys, I just can't shut up on this one...

As we turn on the TV or radio, or even reading the newspaper...we are constantly being barraged with this agenda, and it has finally begun to desensitize mainstream society to the degree of compromising the Christian values that made us a great Nation.

It sickens me to see that society would label those who stand for truth like the Judge Moore's of society as being "intolerant" for upholding the basis for law that constitutes the very foundation of society, while pornography and this vile lifestyle continues to flood our airwaves and newspapers!

These are the days that were written about thousands of years ago by the prophets that warned of days coming in which right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right...

As we talk about these things, there are those out there who are considering adopting laws that will allow government to legislate the very thoughts of an individual who is not afraid to speak the truth.

It will one day be labeled a hate crime to say that these things are wrong, and as homosexuals make their way into the churches of america with their agenda, they will have successfully covered the mouths of what I believe to be still at this time, the majority.

Most americans still believe in values today,

But...

As we continue to remove God and values from our Nation, we remove the very foundation that our God protects.

Voice your opinion now while you can, because the day is surely coming where it wont be legal to do so!

America is great because America is good! Once she ceases to be good, she will also cease to be great!

Our society is plummeting toward hell in a handbasket on a greased pole!...

And as homosexuals come out the closet, they are trying to push us Christians into one!

I don't hate homosexuals, but I do hate what they do.

It's not natural and it's not healthy.

If anyone wants to show true love for them, they would tell them that what they are doing is wrong.

Condoning behavior that is unhealthy to someone is not showing them love.

Love looks out for the best for others, and yet those who do that from a sincere heart are being labeled as haters, and as intollerant!!!

Homosexuals are fighting harder than ever to justify what they know to be wrong! It's as though it will lend credibility toward justifying their actions rather than fessing up to the responsibility that comes in dealing with personal sin in their own lives!

Every one of us are responsible for our own actions... none of us are perfect, but blaming others for ones own actions is a cop out!

For those of you who have flip flopped on this issue, I have a message for you from the Media and activists out there pushing this agenda...

The message?....

GOTCHA!... it worked! ...you have compromised!

Welcome to the new world that's coming!

Those who are unwilling to stand for something will fall for anything!

Sorry Ben, but the developments of this week have both sickened me and saddened me.

I am not ashamed to be politically incorrect!

We're on the slippery slope!

If you don't believe me, try going to the museum of american history at the smithsonian institute and what you wont see there anymore is anything about our founding fathers or our nations history!

Instead, you'll see the dresses from the first ladies, but no history!

This is an outrage!

dondkim · 11-19-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Bliz
Sorry guys, I just can't shut up on this one...

This is an outrage!

Bliz,

Dito. well put.

We are all well educated fools (St. Paul: ever learning, never perceiving).

We have no moral compass anymore.

Soon, we will legislate by the majority vote that even killing is all right.

To the people who says it doesn't bother them as long as they are not effected, it won't be long my friends that we all, you and me will pay for our indifference, silence or even approval of this immoral act.

Please read: Romans Chaper 1, Vs.16-32

Rappin Mikey · 11-19-2003, 05:45 PM

Boy, my brother (Rick Bomba) is sure gonna hate this one. He is kind of fruity.

Jimbo · 11-19-2003, 06:18 PM

I respect everyone's opinions, however I think you walk a fine line when you start quoting chapter and verse and questioning the individual's morality. Just how far are you going to split hairs? Do we define morality in terms of the size or impact of the issue at hand or the fact that most of us should be considered immoral because we've, at one time or another taken the Lord's name in vain, not kept the Sabbath holy, coveted a neighbor's goods or his wife, or take it up a notch and let me ask how many immorals out there who maybe have lain with a member of the opposite sex with out benefit of marriage (whew! that's a big baddie! more than once? Ooooo. go directly to Heck, do not collect golden harp do not get wings!).
I guess you just have to pick your battles and you can't pick 'em all, because if you ask me, the gay/lesbian folk (may as well throw the Mormons in too) pose little threat to society except a harmless, mostly private immoral lifestyle, and maybe it makes more sense to direct one's energies against something like, hey, how about those immorals who threaten our safety, security and very existence, who willingly cross our borders then trash talk democracy, patriotism, and the American way and by those very acts plot against us.
Seems like for anything we don't like, the [bibilcal] morality or lack thereof can be an argument against supporting it. I don't discount anyone's opinion, however I do have a problem when the Good Book is thrown in my face especially when for most people there's probably at least one passage in there proving their own immorality and isn't he who is without guilt who is supposed to throw the first stone.
OK, don't reem me out. Convince me some other way if I'm blind to the big picture.

FishermanTim · 11-19-2003, 06:47 PM

Isn't it rather amusing to have the homosexual lifestyle deemed as "immoral" when there are so many of us "self proclaimed" Christians doing things every day that are an affront to the same belief?
(Wasn't it not too long ago that the Christian church "ignored" members of it's own heirarchy that were molesting children?)

Now I am by no means a saint, but I try to live my life as honestly as possible. I try to offset the negative things in my life with positive ones. (the positives are leading.)

By the way,I wonder how many gay couples will legally "tie the knot" if same sex marriages are legalized?

Thanks for the chance to put in my $.02 worth.

Clammer · 11-19-2003, 06:58 PM

FWW

They willstill be around/////

seeeeeeee what you started

Jenn · 11-19-2003, 07:20 PM

well fisherman tim beat me to ithe preist thing but here goes anyway.

I dont have children but if I did I would much rather live next door to a consenting gay adults than an ex-preist who molested children!
Let me just say I dont UNDERSTAND why people are gay but as long as they dont try to hurt me in any way what should I care??? and to boot....I have know a handfull of gay people I didnt even know were for the longest time....all caring, law abiding, hard working (even church going ) individuals.

just think right now there are WOMEN being beaten and raped by MEN who claim they love them..........................

Scotch Bonnet · 11-19-2003, 07:53 PM

Let them do whatever they want. This country is about freedoms. I don't believe gay couples are the downfall of civilization as we know it. Lighten up on that crap.

Goose · 11-19-2003, 08:06 PM

I'ld rather have married gays as neighbors then fighting uncivilized, so call couple, living next to me....as long as they keep their sexuality private the way most people do.

FishermanTim · 11-19-2003, 09:45 PM

Also, before the "Don't ask, don't tell" era, how many gays in the military fought and gave their lives for the freedoms that were greatly denied them? The general stereotype of gay promisquity was probably created BECAUSE they couldn't get married.

fishweewee · 11-19-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Clammer
FWW

They willstill be around/////

seeeeeeee what you started

Mike -

If ya ain't fishin, might as well be chattin'.

I'll see if the Mrs. doesn't throw a wrench at me when I head out....

-B

BigBo · 11-19-2003, 10:31 PM

Personally?==

FWW, now you and BM are free to join in unholy matrimony.

fishweewee · 11-19-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Bliz
Sorry Ben, but the developments of this week have both sickened me and saddened me.

Don, what are you sorry for? You're entitled to your opinion and there's a lot you said that resonates with they way I feel.

I'm not on the fence when it comes to marriage - for me the issue is cut and dry.

But I'm not really sure how to view homosexuality. I don't consider myself a deeply religious person, but I at least try to examine the secular moral implications. Over the years, I've decided many people don't have a moral issue with it - it is usually, upon further reflection, an aesthetic judgement - "Oh, two gay guys - GROSS!" To many, homosexuality is reduced to the sexual act of sodomy - and while that doesn't float my boat

I'm sure there's more to gay people than their sexual practices.

But - I'll paraphrase from National Review editor (and my former college English prof) Jeffrey Hart - homosexuality is an "unfortunate condition" as it is less than the perfect ideal of heterosexual union.

I hope I didn't open up a can of worms here, I was just wondering how this was being discussed up in Mass.

-B