looking to buy a Router

[Raven]

real .............

for my home internet connection

here is a list of choices

Ambit U10C018,
Ambit U10C020,
Arris Touchstone CM550,
Arris WBM750,
Cisco (Scientific Atlanta) DPC3000,
DLink DCM 202,
Linksys CM100,
Motorola Surfboard 5101,
Motorola Surfboard 5102,
Motorola Surfboard 5120,
Motorola Surfboard 6120,
RCA DCM 425,
SMC 8004CM,
WEBSTAR DPC2100,
WEBSTAR DPR 2320,
Zoom 5241

i'm thinking the Linksys cm100
but of course i want to take advantage
of black friday sales too

any comments would be appreciated.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raven

real .............

for my home internet connection

here is a list of choices

Ambit U10C018,
Ambit U10C020,
Arris Touchstone CM550,
Arris WBM750,
Cisco (Scientific Atlanta) DPC3000,
DLink DCM 202,
Linksys CM100,
Motorola Surfboard 5101,
Motorola Surfboard 5102,
Motorola Surfboard 5120,
Motorola Surfboard 6120,
RCA DCM 425,
SMC 8004CM,
WEBSTAR DPC2100,
WEBSTAR DPR 2320,
Zoom 5241

i'm thinking the Linksys cm100
but of course i want to take advantage
of black friday sales too

any comments would be appreciated.

Watch Slickdeals for a refurb Cisco, Netgear or ASUS for short money - happens all the time. DON'T do the DDRT firmware hacks to it and ask about any problems

Slickdeals: Search[]=9&q=router&firstonly=1

[JohnR]

BTW - those are not routers, they are Cable Modems - big difference. If you are replacing one of those you'll likely need for COAX - probably wicked cheap on Ebay.

[Raven]

yes true... they are modems

not Routers duh

can't see renting one indefinitely for $7 per month

and i know what ya mean now, John about verizon Sucks

which is why i am on this path

[iamskippy]

Raven who is your isp?

I did extensive testong for the company i work fo.r the Cisco dpc 3825 is a amazing gatewa blew and modem router combos or gateways out of the water, but that will depend on your isp if the are D3 capable or not.
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[Raven]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

Raven who is your isp?

I did extensive testong for the company i work fo.r the Cisco dpc 3825 is a amazing gatewa blew and modem router combos or gateways out of the water, but that will depend on your isp if the are D3 capable or not.
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was verizon gonna be charter soon...
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verizon is F-ing with me hard
i mean, this afternoon i felt like i had just been in a fist fight
i know that feeling well
that is some supreme stress from just a phone call
enough to kill you
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[iamskippy]

I beleive charter is Docsis 3, and you are gunna want atleast a D3 modem i recommend the 6120 as a stand alone unit it performed amazing and then dont get a fly by night router, with all the extensive testing i did for the isp i work for the dlink out performed all, un fortunitly i can not post actual test results but the 615 and the duel band 825 rocked the charts for threwput. But again i recommend and stand behind my recommendations of the cisco piece. If you need further info i would be willing to share off forum.
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[Raven]

i was thinking of letting them install it (their modem)
then i'd look for the same one on sale...somewhere

just don't wanna be paying $7 a month rental fee forever...

but thanks for your input... i'll be reading some more

[iamskippy]

No prblem please feel free to pm me we can chat via phone and perhaps i can help you with your decision, i also maybe able to help you with a modem so you dont have to pay a rental fee, i can see what i can do if interested.
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[fishaholic18]

Raven, I have Comcast and got a Motorola SB6121 SURFboard Modem. Works fine..$70 on sale when I got it. I went to Comcast's website to see which modems were compatible 1st....

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Raven, I have Comcast and got a Motorola SB6121 SURFboard Modem. Works fine..$70 on sale when I got it. I went to Comcast's website to see which modems were compatible 1st....

The 6100 series modems are docsis3, which is where you want to be. If you are spending the 70 get the gateway i mentioned for another 30 ish dollars
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[PRBuzz]

I use the Netgear Dual band 3700 (wi-fi/hard wire) if that is of any use, no problems and fast. Also allows you to plug in USB drive for a shared storage, I use a 1TB here.

[fishaholic18]

Just so you know...docsis3 means it is capable of higher speeds...you won't get higher speed unless you are paying for higher speed through your internet provider.

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Just so you know...docsis3 means it is capable of higher speeds...you won't get higher speed unless you are paying for higher speed through your internet provider.

This is not entirely a true statement,

D3 mean multiple channel bonding, a D2 modem bonds 1 channel up and 1 channel on the down stream. Most D3 modems allow a minimum of 4 channels on the down stream increasing the efficiency of the data transfer. 99% if of the ISP in the country are offer what they call "speed boost". this allows large files to be sent over unrestricted bandwidth for a certain amount of time. With a D2 modem this is not as effective or not even allowed where as a D3 modem would take full advantage of this technology.

If you take a D3 modem and hook it up where a D2 modem is currently connected and do multiple speed tests you will see a significant increase in your reaction times and download speeds. This has been tested and proven. some ISP's struggle with capping the D3 modems do to firmware restrictions at the CMTS, this means they can not lock you in at the speeds you pay for and you get them maximum allowable bandwidth the system will give you.

Now lets talk about the D3 technology itself, the platform allows for a better handling of data and allows for a high threw put, thus making it a far superior modem, unless you have some low end entry level of like 300k over 256k. 99% of your D3 modem also have Gigalan 10/100/1000 Ethernet port on the back of it instead of the the normal 10/100, this also makes a huge difference when you are streaming or downloading.

If the option is there get the D3 you will be much happier.

[Raven]

that NG 3700 was a D3 Buz
beeen reading its a requirement for gaming
or high volume as in streaming as we
do allot of HULU downloads (streaming)

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Raven

that NG 3700 was a D3 Buz
beeen reading its a requirement for gaming
or high volume as in streaming as we
do allot of HULU downloads (streaming)

That unit finished 2nd in our testing. it has auto MTU setting of 0, what does this mean for you, that some streaming may take longer to start ( buffering )because its self controlled, unlike some of the other routers you can go in and set it to the max of 1500, which is always wide open. But its not a bad piece, but for the price points i still like the Cisco piece better as its is already on the new technology platform, and i also believe the 3700 is not IPV6 compatible. Which will be going live very soon in this country.

[iamskippy]

check this unit out

Cisco Systems Cisco Model DPC3825 8x4 DOCSIS 3.0 Wireless Residential Gateway Wireless router - 4-port switch (integrated) - EN, Fast EN, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g, IEEE 802.11n

[fishaholic18]

I ran a speedtest before and after swapping modems....went from 22 to 24 dl speeds...not a big diff...but I no longer have to pay rent on their modem...

[Raven]

spent for microwave first....
old one gut zapped
will rent for now
but keep that'un in mind

[Saltheart]

When cable first came out around here in about 86 you had to rent a Motorola cable modem for $30 a month. (no option , you had to rent it). $30 was a lot in 86.

I get as free modem with my cox cable but as far as a router goes , I have had great performance from Linksys. I had a D link and it was a bitch to get it working. It worked well once installed but you had to jump through hoops to install it. Now that was 10 years ago maybe. . My last 2 Linksys wireless Routers just worked as soon as I plugged them in.

[striperman36]

If you use wireless encrypt - WPA2 if you can. too many people scamming out there

[Raven]

okay....i get the new service from charter with super fast download speed

but the cisco 3010 modem ain't talking to the netgear 37AV
router....

The only way i get a connection is plugging it (cisco modem)
directly into MY PC

but i get no way to plug in the wifes because it only has ONE port
such chinese crap

so i have them coming back on thursday with a combo
modem /router like i was just using...

the other thing is....i had the netgear 3700 router in my hands
and was gonna buy it....
my gut instinct told me too ...
but i opted to get the 37AV because it was a similar gigabyte router
marked down from 149.00......

but i just don't get it...as to why they don't see one another
no matter how many times you power them off and on.

weird thing is i've been here B4..... and should have Learned

[JohnR]

Could 20 reasons it doesn't work. And once yo do get it working - hope your ARP cache doesn't fail with the provider a/la COX.

[Raven]

they bring another one - thats better- tomorrow

yeah i hope it doesn't JohnR

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Could 20 reasons it doesn't work. And once yo do get it working - hope your ARP cache doesn't fail with the provider a/la COX.

Hmmm john are you saying that your isp is responsible for a failing arp cache?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

Hmmm john are you saying that your isp is responsible for a failing arp cache?
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No - I'm saying that COX will often need to release THEIR ARP cache if you switch between several devices connected to the cable modem if you don't power it off for less than 6-8 hours . This has happened to me several times when installing equipment on COX Biz class lines.

(also knew that comment would get you out of bed )

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No - I'm saying that COX will often need to release THEIR ARP cache if you switch between several devices connected to the cable modem if you don't power it off for less than 6-8 hours . This has happened to me several times when installing equipment on COX Biz class lines.

(also knew that comment would get you out of bed )

It did sir my good sir, and please allow me to clarify, they are releasing the ARP stored within YOUR modem, not our CMTS equipment, and depending on the modem, the memory sizes do vary, and this may become a splinter in your operation.

Sadly that is the nature of the beast and is not specific to COX, all ISP that use broadband technology with static ip capabilities have the same issues. Just imagine if you were managing a 1500 work station environment and you used static routing with a self constructed ARP tables inside your routers and you decided to fat finger a number or two.

You are however correct about having to unplug it if you do not want to call in. Some modems however do have resets on the back which should clear all info and depending on the modem you can just access the menu by going to 192.168.100.1 and clearing/resetting the info. Other then that you are correct if its not unplugged for about 6 hours it will not clear itself unless you call in.

The only variable to this is if you do not have a static IP and are configured for DHCP, which is typically a 24 hour lease on a IP address or someone else get assigned the IP while the modem is unplugged.

Thanks for giving me flash backs while recovering

[JohnR]

Ahhh, but only my cable modem based customers (95% of which are COX customers) have this issue - And it is the COX end that has the issue - not the customer equipment

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ahhh, but only my cable modem based customers (95% of which are COX customers) have this issue - And it is the COX end that has the issue - not the customer equipment

That is correct because cable modem customers are not DSL 2 different back ends and types of technology.

I would be interested in seeing the accts, and what you are being told, and what issues you are experiencing, when our "alleged" ARP table needs to be cleared.

I am good friends with the Net Ops team and would be more then happy to investigate this for you and get to the " nitty gritty " of the problem and gain a better understand as to what you are experiencing.