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Old 01-31-2023, 10:43 AM   #218
wdmso
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
Which is exactly why you need to exclude suicides when you're making a case about the danger guns cause to innocent victims. Including them, meaningfully distorts the data.

Thank you for proving my point.
Jim you have no point you didn’t read past Fox’s headline they were comparing

Fox News Digital compiled FBI data from 2019 detailing murders and gun murders per 100,000 population. The data show that many states with higher percentages of gun ownership had lower or similar murder and gun murder rates to states with strict gun control

None of your 2 sources came close to a separations that shows gun murder rates compared to other murders by state. Or by numbers.

You misrepresented the whole article it wasn’t just gun murders as you claimed

Yep once again moving the goal post. Now gun death and murder by gun is some how different … even you links disprove you claim

Jim you said the pope said war wasn’t murder but the Bible states suicide is murder .

So if with The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2020 was Mississippi, followed by Wyoming, You want to run with the Fox News and conservatives conflating murder and Gun murder to defend gun ownership and guns aren’t to blame.

But of course using yours and dads and Fox News logic
The child who shot the teacher if she had died fallen in the gun death rate not murder Guns kill more U.S. kids than cancer. 8-year-old accidentally shot, killed by sibling who was playing with gun,

But that falls under gun deaths not murder…. More twisted logic is acceptable for the conservatives and the 2a and Fox. to admit guns are the problem in American culture

Here’s an example of Conservatives fixing the Gun Culture in Florida

TALLAHASSEE — Calling the right to bear arms “central to our freedom,” House Speaker Paul Renner on Monday unveiled a bill removing Florida requirements for a permit and training to carry concealed guns, an idea endorsed by Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Another campaign ad for 2024

In 2021, Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Tennessee, Texas and Utah enacted laws allowing permitless carry, and, last year, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana and Ohio did, too.

Each state listed rate extremely high to high. in Gun deaths that Firearm deaths include all deaths involving guns, such as homicide, suicide, and accidents.

Funny I have my license to carry in Liberal Massachusetts Iam not against gun ownership just stupid gun ownership like the states listed above.. Hell guns now almost kill more people than cars but we haven’t stopped driving schools learners permits a driving test insurance and licenses

But with guns. the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008. The Second Amendment is, without doubt, among the best efforts at melding constitutional history and constitutional law on any topic — at least since the modern revival of originalism..
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