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					Originally Posted by  Mike P
					 
				 
				If you look at his numbers with the Twins, and look at how they've plummeted since random testing came in, there's one conclusion that you can't escape: 
 
Unlike Manny, "Big Papi" was totally a product of the juice, much like Sosa was. 
			
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Bingo again.
Manny, love him or hate him was a great hitter before the juice,  same goes for Barry Bonds & A Rod.
Big Papi, Sosa, McGwire, products of the juice.
I think I'm like a lot of other Sox fans who are willing to throw Ortiz to the curb because of the juice, making him a fraud !