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				How is it illogical? 
			
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 If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?
If 50+% of gun deaths are non-assisted suicides, and there's no specific law prohibiting it, how are these people criminals?
And finally, what's a more effective weapon to inflict mass casualties, a knife or a gun?
It's moot now anyway, Jim's comment about North Dakota just put him back in first place 
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				Do you think the existence of guns make some people into mass murderers?
			
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 On their own no, but look at this most recent shooting and it's looking quite likely that the family attitude toward guns was a factor.