Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1213627)

what is the difference between trying to burn down a federal courthouse with police and federal officers inside and... trespassing in the Capitol?

just curious?

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1213631)

over turn the election


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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1213631)

If thats needs to be explained to you . clearly you support the attempt to over turn the election and support he such seditious behavior.. did I miss anything?
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1213633)

explain to me exactly how this was going to occur....

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213614)

Well personally getting stuck in the conservative playbook in today’s US ever changing mixed ethnicity, the yearly onslaught of global viruses, the global issues of climate change and the lessons learned by our attempts to insert our Democratic ways globally, means they are just not thinking down the road at all. The irony is look at how many of these Trump and the current Republican leaders don’t adhere to.

An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed-down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.

A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.

An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes.

A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.

A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.

The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our “national greatness” and ennoble our characters.

An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.

A belief that America shouldn’t intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.

A desire to return to the way things once were.

Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America’s various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)

Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.

A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right.

A principled belief in federalism.

The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.

The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.

The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.

Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the values of skepticism, doubt, and humility.

Realism in foreign policy.

Non-interventionism in foreign policy.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213602)

then for the 51st time, please tell us which big issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on. if there are t any, that means you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, which is obviously exactly what you are.

make me wrong. tell me which issues you agree with conservatives in. tell us which right wing presidents you voted for ( i voted for bill clinton twice, and to this day i think he was a pretty good potus).
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213637)

Like I’ve said 50 times, I don’t side with many far left positions, totally open borders, unrestricted access to abortion etc…

Voted for Bush 41 and would have likely voted for McCain had he not went off the deep end mid-campaign. The way the GOP is heading though I don’t foresee it happening anytime soon…Maybe of Romney was the nominee.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213640)

so you claim not to be liberal, but can’t name one single issue on which you’re not liberal. so what’s the difference between you and a liberal?

“I’m not liberal, i just happen to think they are correct on every single
issue.”

The way the gop is heading, right, right. imagine thinking that the nation might be well off if we acted a bit more like FL ( where people
and businesses are moving in huge numbers) and a bit less like CT, where people
and businesses are leaving in drives.

Why are people and businesses leaving blue states and going to red states.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213643)

You’re obsessed with labels.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213643)

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213645)

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213645)

cno one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213647)

Peace through strength comes to mind but even that has limits.

As for McCain, I know I posted about my early support for him here at least once.

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1213648)

I do.
But I was fishing with and chatting with Jeff a bunch back then. Block Island Jeff is more complicated than you think, especially since he was raised as a corn fed Iowa kid....

(Oh, and to play your game, I think the left is wrong on the death penalty, especially for first degree cases cases with DNA evidence/cop killed/kid killed, among other things)

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213643)

You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213651)

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213651)

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213646)

right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1213655)

Different reasons. Taxes are one of them but remember Florida generates a huge amount of revenue from sales and excise taxes which are fueled by its main industry, tourism. This allows the state to avoid income tax. in terms of general affordability Florida is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.

Once again, you’re oversimplifying issues.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213653)

when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213636)

that’s so stupid and fu—ed up, it’s hard to know where to begin.

you don’t think america is exceptional? we don’t stand out i. terms of what we’ve done for the world? can you tell me which country has done more?

i don’t want to adhere to moral
customs “because they’re in the bible.”. i want to adhere to moral
customs which have proven to work, and to avoid moral customs which have proven to be a disaster.

you’re saying it’s flawed to want to abide by the constitution? so any president should
be able to do whatever he wants?

still trying to figure out if you think trump and his fans are war mongers. trump is the opposite.

if you can point me to data which suggests that anything on than the nuclear family is far better for children, and that fatherless homes are a disaster for young children especially boys, all ears.

I’m conservative precisely because i respond to empirical
results. advocate for what has been shown to work, i advocate against that which has been shown to be a catastrophe.


why are americans fleeing blue states and moving to red states?
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213661)

No it just means we like to wind you up and watch you spin.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213662)

What’s stupid is you think cherry picking a couple of those that are more American in value and ignoring so much of the rest, which in this world in which we live is antiquated and basically head in the sand thinking. We could start an entire thread discussing that list and I’d have some fun with that one. Live in the past if you like, the future is slapping the world in the face and we all better wake to fu*k up.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213664)

is the nuclear family an antiquated and head in the sand notion? or is it something that irrefutably adds so
much value and stability, that we should encourage it?

i don’t advocate for things just because they’re new and weird. If they show to be an improvement, that i’ll shout for it at the top of my lungs.

I go where the facts and results take me GS, not where Tachael Maddow tells
me to go.

Are the places that have really embraces this “progress”, out performing places that cling to traditional values? are people
moving from TX and SC to San Francisco and Manhattan? No.

Why aren’t they?
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213665)

Like I said cherry pick what most Americans “try” to hold together like family you won’t find an argument from me, I will however argue that a lot of those old conservative valves are antiquated, spin away.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213665)

Like I said cherry pick what most Americans “try” to hold together like family you won’t find an argument from me, I will however argue that a lot of those old conservative valves are antiquated, spin away.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213634)

there was no plot or thought to overturn the election, they were a bunch of anarchist cry babies who didn’t get the result they wanted, so they rioted. surprised you don’t recognize ice that tactic, it’s what your side does regularly, his might have been the first time in my lifetime tnat it was fine by republicans.

it was a riot, a pretty low-key riot compared to what lefties did all summer, in terms of carnage and property damage. lefties actually managed to secede from the nation for a short while, creating the short lived nation of Chaz.

i’m old enough to remember when liberals stormed the state capital
in Wisconsin because they didn’t like that scott walker was going to take political power away from labor unions. january 6 was a lot like that.

also, the one casualty that day was a woman shot to death who was completely unarmed, 5’2” tall, got no warning, shot to death for the crime of trespassing. and no one cares, because she was white, conservative, not a violent felon scumbag. if she was a non white violent felon scumbag, the left would
make her a martyr. because whe was white and conservative, the left says she got exactly what was coming to her. But Michael Brown was an innocent victim, <sniff> I’m tearing up at the thought.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1213668)

Your clueless
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1213634)

there was no plot or thought to overturn the election, they were a bunch of anarchist cry babies who didn’t get the result they wanted, so they rioted. surprised you don’t recognize ice that tactic, it’s what your side does regularly, his might have been the first time in my lifetime tnat it was fine by republicans.

it was a riot, a pretty low-key riot compared to what lefties did all summer, in terms of carnage and property damage. lefties actually managed to secede from the nation for a short while, creating the short lived nation of Chaz.

i’m old enough to remember when liberals stormed the state capital
in Wisconsin because they didn’t like that scott walker was going to take political power away from labor unions. january 6 was a lot like that.

also, the one casualty that day was a woman shot to death who was completely unarmed, 5’2” tall, got no warning, shot to death for the crime of trespassing. and no one cares, because she was white, conservative, not a violent felon scumbag. if she was a non white violent felon scumbag, the left would
make her a martyr. because whe was white and conservative, the left says she got exactly what was coming to her. But Michael Brown was an innocent victim, <sniff> I’m tearing up at the thought.
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