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I remember back after the 2016 election, many prominent liberals were calling on electors to give their votes to someone other than Trump. There was a LOT of that talk, there were TV commercials airing, it was everywhere in liberal circles, pleas for the electoral college to ignore the will of the people. I'll bet everything I have against the change in your pocket, that you didn't call that out for undermining democracy. Did you? So while the specifics here are different (no two situations are exactly identical in every detail), both were cases of attempts to undermine a democratic election. One of those attempts was fine with you (there were actually multiple attempts, starting with begging the electoral college to vote for someone else, to calling for impeachment before he was sworn in, etc, but let's put them all in one bucket), the other is horrifying. The only difference, is the partisan aspect, which as we all know, is everything to you. Try. Making. That. Wrong. |
From the last election, I wonder who the Republicans were listening to?
Insert stupid period thing here...... A historic number of “faithless” electors -- seven in total--each cast their ballots on Monday for a candidate other than the one who won his or her state. What may be more surprising, given the level of protests against Donald Trump and the pressure exerted on Republican electors, is that a greater number were untrue to Hillary Clinton than to Mr. Trump. Among the 538 electors chosen to represent their states in the Electoral College, five were faithless to the Democratic nominee and two to the Republican. Prior to this year, there hasn’t been more than one faithless elector in any presidential election since 1948. |
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Big difference when the sitting president and his boot licking republicans are attempting to tell citizens of this country, their vote doesn't matter and in the process steel an election that has already been certified. Nobody is surprised about it sadly, because Trump has been announcing his plans for the past year, probably in an attempt to suppress the vote; ironically he probably is single handedly responsible for the biggest turnout in history. These republicans are stepping up to fight for leadership roles in the new Trump style republican party, which it now apparently has become. |
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They did it after the election, before the inauguration. It was one of may attempts to undermine the election. But you can dismiss it as gamesmanship. "Trump is more guilty of that crap than anyone" NOW WHO IS GUILTY OF WHATABOUTISM? As always, it's OK when you do it, only problematic when I do it? "Big difference when the sitting president and his boot licking republicans are attempting to tell citizens of this country, their vote doesn't matter " Again, democrats also tried to tell Americans that their vote doesn't matter, by trying to get electors (after the 2016 election) not to cast their votes for Trump, and by spending the better part of 4 years trying to find a way to remove him from office. When republicans try to say elections don't matter, you say that's bad (and I agree). When democrats do it, you dismiss it. |
NO. The Democrats did not decline to accept defeat in 2016. Hillary Clinton conceded, albeit with insinuations that the Russians had helped Trump. But grumbling about your loss is a far cry from contesting it. A few Democrats lodged complaints about the vote in January 2017 when the Electoral College results were read out. Joe Biden, the then-president of the Senate and sitting vice-president handled those matters as he should according to the Constitution.
And playing your silly game about how "there are allegations of" is baloney, it matters now. Never more than now. It isn’t about the precedent that this might set for some imagined Democratic abuse of the future. The abuse is here. The abuse of power is now. This is a constitutional crisis because one party has decided that it cares more for power than for the American system. Giving one iota of support for Trump’s unconstitutional coup attempt is discrediting for every person, politician and commentator who fails to call it out loudly and unequivocally. A decent few, like Senators Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney have done so. Find your voice, or don’t insult the rest of us by calling yourself a patriot. |
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The only thing that democrats didn't say about 2016, was that they lost fair and square. They made every other conceivable claim. Including putting pressure on electors to vote for someone other than Trump after the election. Sorry Pete, that happened. Just because you can't being yourself to admit how terrifying that is, doesn't mean it didn't happen. |
Jim I think same aged cheese would go nicely with your whine.
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Jim, there’s no parallel for this. A sitting president just brazenly committed what is most likely election fraud and his base couldn’t care otherwise. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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again, instead of insulting me, can you offer any evidence that you’re not engaging in hypocrisy and double standards? why was it ok for democrats to spend every waking moment for 4 years to undermine the results of an election that didn’t go their way, but it’s bad when republicans do the same thing. i assume there’s a reason why certification was made part of the process. IF i didn’t think an election was honest, i wouldn’t certify that it was. that doesn’t mean i like what the gop is doing here. i don’t know to what degree there was fraud and cheating, but not one lefty here, not one, has expressed any skepticism at all, about vote counters being sent home at the same exact time that all the votes started going do biden in swing states. it could well be a harmless coincidence, i don’t know. i’m ready for it to be over, for sure. i’m bored with it all. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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scott, you and i have had respectful but spirited disagreements here, as i’ve had with Detbuch and dangles. these guys are engaging in one, big circle jerk of TDS. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Stop being dramatic Jeff, your turtleneck is cutting off your circulation or Paul stole your password. |
When will the Always Trumpers admit the Never Trumpers were right?
Tonight is a good night for everyone to remind themselves that Joe Biden absolutely blew Trump out of the water. |
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It is amazing that that has happened multiple times. |
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I am only hearing about the Barbra boxer stuff now (on a story on msnbc this morning fwiw).... Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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i said it wasn’t at this scale. but there was absolutely no opposition from the left. and if you consider all the excuses the left came up with as to why the 2016 election wasn’t fair, it was on this scale, hilary blamed her loss on everything conceivable, except losing fair and square. how many of the lefties here told her to just shut up and admit she lost a fair election? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Somehow went from “Suck it up, Snowflake, you lost!” to “Oh we lost? Let’s shred the Constitution.”
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Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., "I believe that Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) have performed a very valuable public service in bringing this debate before the Congress. As Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country," Van Hollen, at the time a House member, said in a press release. "I have been particularly concerned about the lack of a verifiable paper record in connection with electronic voting systems. Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., Sen. Hawley’s actions are grossly irresponsible. He’s attempting to undermine our democratic process, fuel Trump’s lies about voter fraud, and delay the certification of Biden’s win. In the end, this reckless stunt will fail, and Joe Biden will become President on Jan. 20, 2021. |
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