Clinton/Reno fired 92 Federal Prosecutors
Where were the investigations? Why weren't the holier than thou clamoring for Renos resignation? I smell more of the same old double standard we now witness almost daily. Can you imagine if WACO or Ruby Ridge occured under the current administration.
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Truthfully I believe it was 93 persecutors that Reno fired.
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simple. the economy was booming and the masses were happy.
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Without defending Clinton, it's not unusual for an incoming Administration to ask for the resignation of all of the sitting US Attorneys. They are political appointees, just like the Cabinet, and new Presidents tend to replace them with members of their own party. This was done at the start of Clinton's term, and most of the 93 were given a few months to complete ongoing investigations before their resignations were accepted. Some continued working for 8 months after they "resigned".
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So if Bush had fired 93 fp's at the beginning of his term and let a few of them clean out their desks for a few months we wouldn't be seeing this uproar? I don't think so.
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Double standard and selective media outrage. When Dems do it it's quite ok, but when Repubs do it its a HUGE scandal. Nothing new here...
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This ordeal is about how the Administration has tried to cover up the political influences in these decisions. There is amazingly enough much hard evidence in this case detailing the political decision process, which completely contradicts what was told publicly. Many members of Congress are stating they were intentionally misled, and potentially were lied to under oath. Even Republican members of Congress are up in arms and a few now calling for Gonzales to resign. The Administration has brought this upon themselves. Had they just come clean once the issue started to stink they could have probably gotten through this without all that much harm. But they tried to brush it off with some misdirection at first, then have changed their story several times since. Those claiming this is a partisan attack with no substance (like Skip) are either uninformed or ignoring the facts. -spence |
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Firing a large and select group of prosecutors mid-term appears to be unprecidented. The quite serious ethics violations that appear to be present, and the lame attempt to cover them up are the problem. But if blaming Clinton for all of Bush's failings helps you sleep at night... -spence |
Spence has got it right.
stripernsipr your comparing apples to oranges. to fire staff at the begining of your term is completely different than what has happened recently. |
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Regardless of the beliefs and or actions of the "victims" involved,the United States Government under Clinton's admin and the direct orders of Janet Reno are responsible for the MURDERS of close to 100 Americans.THIS can't be argued.IT IS A FACT...our government murdered men,women and yes children.Fact.The evidence is there and its proven.And yet they got away with it. Btw remember Vince Foster.Another conveniently forgotten human. And now we repeat the same kind of stupidity with our current admin.When will Americans learn?When folks stop pulling that g*ddamn "vote party line" lever at the booth then things might actually change. |
Wasn't it alledged that they were underperforming? Could that be so? If they are democrats and Bush is in his second term, that means they served six years beyond the norm. Six years on borrowed time. Even in government work thats quite extraordinary. Democratic prosecutors might get listed by PETA as endangered species.:bshake:
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is it '09 yet? :yawn:
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Did anyone ever believe for a second the firings were performance related? Political hirings equal Political Firings. Thats the reality and anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional. Do you think the Bush Admin would get a pass if they'd said "these eight prosecutors were let go because their actions were not conducive to our political goals"?. As far as when they were fired, at the beginning of the first term, or beginning of the second term, or mid second term.......doesn't matter squat. They were fired for the same reason Clinton fired the 92. I find the whole thing ridiculous.
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It has always been a patronage position and they are political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the pres. BTY Rudy Giuliani was a prosecutor for anyone who doesn't know. What got Bush in trouble is that they have always been insulated from politics and unless let go b/c of performance issues and unless of an administration changes, they have had great job security. Gonzales injected politics into an area where customarily politics was not involved. The attornies were pressured to bring cases against Dems prior to the last election.
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Bush fired 8 federal proscecutors because they were not conducive to the achievement of political goals = Apples This isn't a Clinton bashing excercise because I would expect all Presidents to do what they felt was required to achieve their goals. I fault neither for those particular actions. |
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Telling Congrss one thing, then changing your story as information surfaces that contradicts it = Oranges Now find some bananas and you've got a nice fruit salad :jump: -spence |
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Interesting, sorry I don't have the link for this.
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More interesting news...
It looks like (according to submitted documents) Patrick Fitzgerald was ranked on the "Bushie" scale as only mediocre, the same ranking of several of the fired attorneys. Fitzgerald of course was the man who prosecuted Scooter Libby and implicated the VP's office in the case. This is a man regarded as one of the best prosecutors in the country, and the man who prepared the indictment of Osama Bin Laden! Sniper, you still think this was just a performance issue as stated? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...902036_pf.html -spence |
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I stand by the point that the firing of the eight was no more or less political than the firing of the 92. |
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Additionally, here's some new food for thought. When Clinton's AG fired everyone at the beginning of his term, I'm pretty sure the replacements had to go through Senate confirmation. Under the Patriot Act signed into law by President Bush the Whitehouse now has the legal authority to fire and replace Federal Prosecutors indefinately without Senate confirmation. This is a BIG difference you might not have been aware of. I just learned of it recently myself. How the fruit salad coming along? -spence |
Do you see a difference between Nixon not keeping Ramsey Clark on as Attorney General when he took office (in effect, firing him as well as the rest of LBJ's cabinet) and his later firing of Eliot Richardson as AG because he wouldn't carry out Nixon's order to fire Archibald Cox?
I think that's the distinction that Spence is driving at ;) |
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This screw up was so bad that people now feel sympathy for lawyers! |
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