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Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump.

Before everyone calls out Rassist, "protesting" via rioting and causing injury to others and law enforcement are not going to enamor most people with the plight of the protestors, even the legitimate and positive people. There will be a lot of people from across the political spectrum that will vote for law and order (regardless of how bad the law and order candidate is) over lawlessness in their city or town.

It really is getting out of control and I fear bloodshed before this country can become whole again.
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It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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"Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump."

BINGO. Brilliant observation. For this to happen in a key swing state like NC, is (politically speaking, set aside the human suffering for a moment) a gift from God to Trump - if he is cunning enough to take full advantage, which he may well not be. If it plays out, as it appears it will, that the cop did nothing wrong, people in NC are going to be pissed that feral liberal anarchy did this to their state capital. This isn't CT or California. NC is a different brand of vodka, and outside Charlotte, this isn't going to help the candidate who kisses Al Sharpton's ring.

If I'm Trump, I show endless commercials in NC of Hilary kissing Sharpton's keyster.

A president who wasn't a radical liberal, would have done that long ago. This is a guy who aligned himself with Bill Ayers, who was close with Rev Wright, and therefore likely thinks the rioters are correct to be deathly afraid of all white cops.

Refresh my memory, how many race riots did we have in this country during the Bush presidency? We still had white cops then, right?

Doesn't need to be a White Cop....

This was a Black cop that shot a Black man, as confirmed by the Black Chief of Police.

Correct again!

In better news, you might like to know that I signed my first grader up for cub scouts, Tiger Den I think. First trip is coming up, an overnighter on a battleship in Fall River. He and I are both excited to be starting what I hope will be a journey as rewarding as I assume yours was with your son. I always liked hearing how involved you were.

The USS Massachusetts....best overnighter we did in Cub Scouts. You will have a blast.

just get involved and enjoy the ride....its a lot of fun....gives you an excuse to be a kid again.

Race relations regression will be Obama's most significant fail IMO. This will be a huge part of his legacy.

We both can't wait!

My son is a shy kid. I brought him to the signups, and he was sitting next to me as I filled out the paperwork. Some slightly older kids came over, and invited him to do an art project with them, then they played tag, then one of them invited him to his birthday party. Sometimes you can just tell that you are surrounded by people who share your values. I am very happy he will be having these experiences, and sharing them with these kinds of families. Already talking about taking his den, maybe a couple of dens, ice fishing this winter with a well known CT guide.

Colossal failure.

That's awesome!
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Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

No
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I don't. You hear a lot of complaining about this but only a small subset of people really believe it - then and now.

(For the record, I think ANYONE running for President - or any office that requires standards be met - should need to submit all of the proper documentation to prove eligibility - always have and long before Obama)

Whew ....thank God we did away with the Confederate flag
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I have seen surveys that said that almost 1/2 of Repubs. believe Pres. Obama was a Muslim and/or born outside the US. There was 0 proof of that.

I agree anyone running for office should provide the proper docs. So do you think Pres. Obama was elected Pres. w/o having to provide those docs. and if so, w/o anyone reviewing those docs. or looking into his background? I can't imagine that. He was on the Senate Foreign relations committee. I'm sure he was briefed by our intelligence agencies. I would think they would have looked into his background bf those briefings.

I'd be interested in Dennis' thoughts.

you seem to be the one keeping the Birther movement alive and well.

I haven't heard anyone bring that up in years.

Those surveys you are referencing....how old are they?

no, but Lack of leadership on Obama's fault has a lot to do with it.

A TINY bit. They are a very small fringe group, whom no one believes.

The Dallas police sniper didn't say he was getting revenge for the birthers. I have never seen anyone at a recent riot, holding a sign that said anything about birthers. I see a lot of signs about BLM.

Am I wrong, Paul?

you should check with Hillary and friends...pretty sure she gave rise to the birther phenomenon..she might have your answers as to why there was ever a question....:rolleyes:

I thought that Trump just mentioned it?

Didn't he?

So all those feelings Pres. Obama was a Muslim and was born in Kenya went away?

Let me clarify...

Why do YOU keep bringing up the birther movement HERE? I haven't seen anyone bring that up HERE in years.

nobody cares anymore...everyone knows he was born in Kenya, this is what happens when you don't protect your borders

See, THAT'S Sarcasm (I Hope)

indeed....sarcasm is when you are almost laughing too hard to hit "submit reply"

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

Paul - I don't know - I always thought the birther issue was a crock.

But to get back to race relations - Obama has been the CIC for 8 years. When you're the boss man you bear responsibility for everything that happens on your watch - both the good AND the bad. He's quick to take credit... but slow on admitting or taking blame for failed policy. He had a chance to improve things for the race - hasn't done enough IMO.

a) Wayne said we're supposed to talk about the future not the past because that's what "progressives" do, lean us forward to the future rather than drag us back to the past where the conservatives would like us to go as soon as possible so that they can enjoy slavery and stuff once again...

b) Hillary's sniper controversy should never be brought up again...hear that JIM!?!.....nobody will ever care other than to lament that she was not shot down

c)where 50% ( I question this but whatever) of republicans think Bummer was born has absolutely nothing to do with the current racial climate...and remember...Bummer is only 50% black so you need to divide everything by two

I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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OK, I'll give you a Touché on this...

so why do you think it has a huge amount to do with the Racial Climate?

White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

Don't forget what happened to Reginald Denny too....that should be included in the discussion.

I agree that a lot of the problems we are having are driven by the media.

I also think that every time we needed Obama to step up and lead when it came to possible racial conflicts....he didn't, and actually made things worse. (i.e. Cops were stupid, if I had a son he'd look like..., etc.)

The president needs to unite...he his the president of the entire US, not just those he chooses.

"White people riot all the time,"

Conservative white people?

oh great...he's turning into Brian Williams

We have never achieved perfect harmony. But we were not nearly this racially divided during the Clinton or Bush years.

Clinton's term saw little division, racial or otherwise (I never, ever felt like he despised everyone who didn't vote for him).

Same for the first few years Bush's presidency. Then the Iraq War became unpopular, and liberals went berserk with hatred of Bush. Worse, when liberals wanted out of Iraq, Bush not only didn't withdraw, but he forced the dems in the Congress to support the Surge, which worked. That made the liberals hate him even more.

Looking for a way to win, liberals figured out that if instead of uniting us, if they divided us into different buckets, and made people in each bucket despise each other, they could cobble together enough victim groups to equal 51% of the voters. Having had some early success with that strategy, they are sticking with it.

Look no further for proof, than this ridiculous myth that white cops routinely go out hunting for young black men. Yes, even one murder by a police officer, is one too many. But even though that almost never happens, it gets all of the media attention. Despite the huge numbers of blacks getting killed by other blacks, that problem gets little attention. Because it doesn't support The Narrative.

Prob. need a face to face rather than a 30 sec. blurb here.

I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres. It unearthed racist sentiments where they felt free to voice them in a way w/o using language they knew was inappropriate. So the birther and a black Pres. also brought forth a feeling obo Blacks that they are not going to take it any more. So they protest (and the scummy/liberal ones riot). Blacks feel discriminated against and now even (as in Charlotte) you might have a "legitamate" shooting but they don't see it that way. You and I will never know what it is like to be black.

here is something I just read. A little hard to read bc the author added their own comments.

One of Donald Trump's Ohio campaign chairs has a very unique, revisionist view of American history that she is proudly sharing with the world.

Mahoning County campaign chair Kathy Miller, who is white, told the Guardian that there was "no racism" in the 1960s and if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

"If you're black and you haven't been successful in the last 50 years, it's your own fault. You've had every opportunity, it was given to you," she told the Guardian.

"Growing up as a kid [in the 1960s], there was no racism," Miller adds. "... I never experienced it."


Ah, yes. Much like gravity, ultraviolet light and dark matter, racism doesn't exist unless you can see it with your own eyes.

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ..." Miller says. "Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and I think that's the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America."

She doubles down by adding that black children "had the same schools as everyone else" (false), extra benefits to go to college that "white kids didn't have" (gross oversimplification of affirmative action), and that lower turnout among black voters is due to "the way they're raised" (voter turnout in Ohio in the last two presidential elections was higher among black voters than white ones).

"When do they take responsibility for how they live?" Miller demands.

The video is worth watching if only for the expression on the face of the poor interviewer, who at one point nicely asks Miller if some might find her comments offensive.

"I don't care," Miller says. "It's the truth."

We all know the riots stem from feelings of mistrust of the police.

Where you and I disagree, is the validity of that mistrust.

I see no reason why these people don't trust the Charlotte police. Black cop, black chief of police, the chief saying the family will be shown the video making it clear he had a gun that for some idiotic reason, he wouldn't put down.

Maybe white Canadiens when Montreal lost the the Stanley Cup eh ?

The people that are riptong and looting and smashing cop cars and beating white people aren't looking for justice . But they do deserve justice
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