Indiana Religious Freedom Law
 

I'm conservative. I'm Catholic. And I support gay marriage.

That said, I don't see hwo anyone who has ever read the Constitution, specifically the Bill Of Rights, can claim that a religious business owner doesn't have the right to refuse to participate in that which is contrary to his religiously-informed conscience.

The Bill Of Rights, while genius, is tough. Like it or not, freedom of speech means an artist can hang a painting of Christ covered in urine. Like it or not, freedom of assembly means that the Klan can hold a rally. Like it or not, freedom of the press means that the folks at MSNBC can advocate for that which I would advocate against, at the top of my lungs. And like it or not, freedom of religion means that no one can be forced to participate in that which violates their religious beliefs.

If enough people disagree with the IN law, there is a mechanism to change the constitution. Until that day, we don't get to ignore the parts of the Constitution that we don't happen to like.

And if you want to see why I reject th enotion that liberals are 1% as tolerant as they claim to be, look at the vitriol in their reaction.

Constitution, shmonstitution...

I've been waiting for this post. :hihi:
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I can't imagine why you would want to eat a cake after forcing somebody to make it against their will. Seems pretty risky but I guess that goes with the territory
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BTW this is a totally fabricated story. It never happened.our POS media hard at work
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Of course, in the liberal traditions of inclusion and tolerance, the store had to close, people threatened to burn it down, and the pizzeria's facebook page was flooded with gay pornography. Shocking, I know.

It's also worth noting, that the liberal pillars of tolerance, are targeting this pizza shop, even though they have never refused a gay wedding. A theoretical question was asked to the owners, and they said that if asked, they would feel uncomfortable working at a gay wedding, because of their religiously-informed consciences.

Cue the liberal lynch mob..."there's no room for hate in this country, so agree with me or I'll burn down your restaurant!!"

These people have no shame, and their hatred of religion knows no bounds...

Religion does suck generally speaking,loaded with zealots who have no tolerance for no tolerance.
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I didn't know being gay was a religion.
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What's totally fabricated?

Actually, Dangles was paying a compliment to religious zealots with his use of a double negative. No tolerance for no tolerance reverts to the positive and the no no becomes yes, that is, tolerance. That is a tricky way of saying the zealots are tolerant.

"Religion does suck generally "

Hilarious that you could say something like that, and then claim that people of faith have no tolerance.

Religion sucks generally, hmmm...I bet that comes as news to all of our neighbors who are getting housing, food, medical care (at zero cost if they can't afford it), quality education, and adoption services, via the church.

Every poll ever done, shows that pepole of faith describe their lives as happier and more full, than secular folks.

But the hilarious part is that you would say that religion sucks, then claim that religious folks have no tolerance for others. Those Christian soup kitchens, homeless shelters, and hospitals, will gladly help anyone in need, regardless of their religious views. That's pretty tolerant, isn't it?

Ask the people who own the pizza joint, how much tolerance they are being shown by gay rights activists, at the moment...

Can a black baker be forced to attend a Klan wedding? Or is only Christians who can be forced to participate in things against their will?

When the govenrment can force someone to attend a weding that they do not wish to go to, then at that point, we are not a free country.

Happiness in its purest form comes from helping others. Enjoy your Easter.
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Reading comprehension is a skill that is learned.
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The church has demonstrated otherwise.
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Hate to inject facts into your Catholic-bashing, but maybe we should say that a tiny fraction o fthe church has demonstrated otherwise...and that a similar percentage of teachers have demonstrated otherwise, and doctors, etc...

Kudos to whoever indoctrinated you...was it Bill Maher?

Why don't you tell me what's factual.M y list would be long ...when I don't see a list I'll know it's yours.
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I'm guessing here...but I think he might be referring to the fact, and it's fact, that the poor people who own this restaurant, never declined a gay wedding. They were asked a theoretical question about what they would do if asked to cater a gay wedding. The fact that these people have never, ever, actually done this, doesn't matter to the media of these militant, deranged activists, who descended upon these innocent pepole with visciousness and bile.

A pizza joint who has never actually been involved in this issue, is now ground zero for the crystal clear display of liberal anarchy, feral behavior, and spoiled-bratty-ness.

And the recipient of around half a million dollars of donations from supportive Christians.
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I'm sure this too pisses off the haters
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I thought welfare was bad?
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Get over yourself . A double negative isn't that impressive 😊
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Damn right! And that wouldn't have been remotely necessary, if thos etolerant liberals would have precticed their motto of "live and let live". In this case, the truth is "live and let live as long as you agree with me, otherwise I will burn your business down".

I hope they get a jillion dollars. They deserve it. No evidence these people have ever done anything wrong (and as born again Christians who appear to take their religion seriously, it's a safe bet they make a habit out of helping others), yet they are being absolutely villified by the $#@!%^&%$##@ left. These activists see nothing wrong with holding a sign in one hand that says "stop the hate", and holding a brick in the other hand to throw through the window of anyone who disagrees with them. Can't make it up.

Welfare??

It's welfare when the government gives you other people's $$ for nothing in return. Private citizens, helping one of their own through a miserable and challenging time, isn't "welfare". It's an example of "American exceptionalism". Unless Obama has outlawed that phrase...


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True. And I was joking. :hihi:
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You mean bc they they said that they would discriminate?

That is hilarious.

Agreed
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All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others....

As in some animals (gays), are more entitled to "discriminate" than others (Christians).

S you would support a law that would force a black baker to serve cake at a Klan wedding?

If not, please explain why in this case, the black baker has the right to discriminate, but not the Christian baker.

Read the Bill Of Rights. It doesn't say that freedom of religion is limited to cases where no one's feelings are hurt.

The left never, ever address the only thing that matters, which is what the Bill Of Rights says. It's always about labeling the other ide as hatemongers.

No because their business was all but shut down , they have had death threats all because of a fabricated story . They never denied any gay couples anything .

What happened to " live and let live"??
Now you , because you're the epitomy of tolerance , have now decided they are bigots ... You do that a lot
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I think what they did may have been even worse. In this case it's not even an incident as much as proactive policy.

They went on the news and said it, I don't see how that's a media fabrication.

They don't and never have catered weddings . That's their" policy"
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So if someone called and ordered 20 pizzas for a wedding they'd turn it down? That's not their policy, they just haven't done it.

Who caters a wedding with pizza?

How awkward would this entire conversation be?

Regardless, they went out and said it and made the bed.

Snicker…

And a fine bed it will be. Maybe get $1 million from the bed.

So what's the fuss about? A reporter seeking a way to make her chops chooses the hot item of the day, goes in search of a Christian patsy who will give an honest answer, and whoosh, that's supposed to create shock and horror in "most Americans" who must then insist that the "victim" in this case must be threatened and driven out of business? It may well be that "most Americans" are not shocked, nor even care that much. It might be that they are starting to get a bit annoyed at the insistence that they must care. It may be that they don't really see a problem with someone not wanting to cater a gay wedding, and maybe they are beginning to feel more sorry for the bakers who are being driven out of business than they are for the proliferation of manufactured, instigated "cases" of supposed "discrimination." So maybe a bunch of them are deciding to show their support to the victim by donating lots of money to her.

Maybe most of them would just rather that aggrieved victims of actual, non-manufactured, non-instigated cases of "discrimination" take their grievance to court and not make a national fuss about it.

Of course, that would shrink the number of opportunities for aggressive, ambitious, "journalists."

Maybe they could go after Muslim bakers who discriminate against gays. Oh wait, that trick was tried yesterday in Dearborn MI. Muslim baker refused. SHOCKER--no big media fuss. No outcry from the gay community to shut him down. No threats on his life or establishment.

The thought amuses me, once the Christians have been marginalized into political impotence, of the inevitable confrontation between gays and Muslim bakers. Eh . . . probably not inevitable. The gays are probably too scared of the Muslims,

All this bull#^&#^&#^&#^& does is distract people from the serious issues in the economy, like the national deficit, the 1%'s run away profits and the shrinking middle class. ;)
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Found this funny...

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Fort Schritt, Indiana — Dr. Michael Freiheit is a general practitioner in the small town of Fort Schritt, Indiana. He describes himself as both an atheist and gay. Dr. Freiheit estimates that he sees a few hundred people a month for various maladies. In the wake of his state’s governor signing a highly-contentious bill that would allow any business in Indiana to discriminate against Freiheit, who last week volunteered to provide no-cost health care at a homeless shelter, based solely on the business owners’ religiously-based discriminatory feelings toward homosexuals. This has Dr. Freiheit curious about something, and he plans to ask Indiana Governor Mike Pence and the Republicans in the state legislature directly, via email.

“Dear Governor Pence and the Republicans in the state legistlature,” Freiheit’s letter begins, “As a gay atheist doctor in a small town in Indiana, I want to applaud your bravery and standing up for your principles, because it would seem that you have given me a chance to finally stop having to treat #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, bigoted Christians at my practice, based on my own deeply held religious views, and not anything more sinister or petty, of course.” Freiheit then goes on to ask Pence and the Republicans, “Is that not the intent of your letter, to give everyone a chance to discriminate against someone they don’t like? I am assuming that the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States applies here, meaning that as a gay atheist I am permitted to not give judgmental bigots the medicine they need to get over the infections in their bodies, right?”

Constitutionally, I would say that he has a right to "discriminate" in that way. Don't know if that would cause a problem with his professional ethics regarding the hippocratic oath, if he swore to it. Might be a problem with legalities of medical practice, Obama care and all. And don't know if there are enough gay and atheistic bigots in his area to support his business at the level he desires. That may not matter. It sure would provide a service to all the gay and atheist bigots who are being turned away by Christian doctors.

Oh, wait . . . when the doctors give medical attention to gay and atheist bigots, they are not participating in or practicing their life style. No matter. Small potatoes.

Anyway, if the good doctor was able to discriminate in the matter he proposes, then it would actually make the Indiana bill even more acceptable and even more discriminatory (it's not) than it is. I don't think he wants to open up that can of worms.

Anyway, if Pence answers his letter, and if the doctor is capable of understanding and willing to listen, the Governor will explain that the bill is not discriminatory. It does not take away gay's or atheists'"rights." It does not take away their right to legal action if called for.

I'm glad you see how silly this "story" is
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