No more school sports
 

I think it's time to eliminate school sports programs grades 1-12. They should just do conditioning and other non-competitive physical activities that do not result in injuries which can last a lifetime.
This would create a new industry of private sector athletic businesses where parents and children can choose to participate or not. The cost associated with maintenance of athletic Fields and equipment would be eliminated allowing for the money to be spent on education not competition.

Define Education?

If sports go under, the whole town goes under..
That's when the whores come in. Men laying their trick-money down. Twenty dollars to pay the rent? Maybe not. Maybe instead I'll spend it on the whore. Whores running around, doing their little behind-shake for the men folk...

The three R's.....reading, riting, and rithmatic:biglaugh:

What does a publicly funded school sports program do that cannot be done by a private entity?

Promotes School Pride....

So Three R's......No Art, No Shop, No Music, No Home Ec, No Trades

Because those are all next after you eliminate sports....

My Kids don't play School Sports.....but as far as Education, I bet kids Learn more life lessons in competing then they do in Honors Geometry

Keeps boys out of trouble and gives them a reason to go to school and do well, including the ones whose parents can't afford to pay for sports. Though I do think they should replace football with rugby, save a lot of money on equipment.
Pretty important to give kids a chance to excel, now if you want to talk about wasting money take a look at special education. I am convinced that the education dollars that have been directed to spec ed have come out of the budgets for average and above, the effect in too many cases is to have bored average and above become behavior problems, fall behind and end up needing special services.
It is like the grade school teacher who punishes overactive boys by keeping them in at recess and makes them sit still because they can't sit still.

And how about the increased Drop-out rate when kids quit school because they are bored out of there gourd.

I grew up and played in the hockey machine town of Hingham. There's a micro economy of hockey equipment/time/training school spent by parents it's foolish.

Education is second fiddle when you're on the hockey team. Do you know what 5am practices do to a teenager who needs sleep.

If you want to have hockey schools in the ISL leagues great. Get the pro teams to sponsor the kids. Having a public school team that's like a college team is a little ridiculous.

Electives would go first: Art, Shop, Music, Home Ec, Trades before sports!

Depends on the Town...You live in Brockton so, Yeah, Definitely.

In Georgetown it would be tight as to what would go 1st. There are More Kids involved in Music at the School than on the Football Team

They run School Band, Jazz Ensamble, Chorus, Chorale, Acappela Group, Drama....Music is pretty popular in our town.

School pride is just another thought/belief that interferes with the respect and compassion for others that we should be teaching. How many students learn they are inferior to others based upon athletic ability or lack of ability? It's time to eliminate some of the so called pride or feelings of superiority based upon physical games when it comes to public education, all this does is cause people to dislike another humanbeing because they went to the wrong school. I don't recall any of my participation in school sports being required information on any job applications. All it does is give us another reason to discriminate which in my eyes is not whats good for society overall.

Trades can be taught at trade schools, which honestly are an excellent choice for many, one that I wish my parents had considered.

High School Athletics is a requirement for some colleges and helps you get into others....all of the Miltary Academies w/ the Exception of the Coast Guard Academy require you to have taken a High School Sport.

Trade Schools are Public Schools that have a Sports Program as well.

I actually like the fact that schools have so many options for a kid to excel....not just sports. My Son loves music....he got elected to be the Drum Major for band....he definitely does not feel inferior because he doesn't play sports. he looks forward to football games when he get to get out there.

when kids have many options available to grow into they find something that lights a fire for them. What about kids that aren't good at the 3 "R"s...but a light shines for Music, Art, Science, Cooking, or Carpentry....this could be what steers them in that direction in life.

Plenty of kids that played sports go into Sports Medicine and Therapy fields...its not just about throwing a football...its about finding something that lights a fire in a kid. And Competition is not a bad thing....it helps people strive

I'm pretty sure a strict program of Just the 3 "R"s is how they do it in China and North Korea

I can honestly say I don't have the intellect to post a proper response to this:o

You said Money could be used on Education

And I said

You said the 3 "R"s

I said that there are things that schools bring that are educational besides the 3 "R"s

Now you have no problem with any of the other activities a school offers.....outside of the 3 "R"s

I pointed out that Sports can also help light that fire in a kid.....

And it turns out your real issue is just in sports....kids getting there feelings hurt because they can't make the team


How about the Chess Club...or The Debate Team...or a Science Fair...Or DECA

They All Compete there....:huh:

I hated school.. if not for sports my grades would have gone down the proverbial crapper...if your grades were bad you didnt make the team (s).. it gave me added incentive ( besides Dad's left foot up my keister)to keep a high grade point average..

They need to get rid of the damn computers and teach the kids some real life skills...most of these kids can't cook... dont know how to balance a check book, use a tape measure or add the sum of two numbers with out a calculator...sports in school gives alot of them the only excercise they will get for the week... no one ever got in shape posting on face book or my space..while I'm railing here.. what ever happend to walking to school or to the bus stop... most mornings i get stuck behind school buses that stop every 200'.. you telling me the little darlings can't walk an extra 200'.. no wonder the kids are getting obese...Rant over or I'd be here all night..

Ed, this is one of the dumbest ideas floated in this forum in a long time.

If it's because kids will feel inferior, then they should have all kids in the same classes and not have advanced classes for the brightest students because the others will feel inferior.

While they're at it, they should make all kids wear the same uniform to public school every day so no one feels inferior to the kids with the cool threads.

If all goes well, we can have a bunch of young adults with no desire to excell in life and everyone can be the same.

Now, your other idea obout making prostitution legal is great. You should have quit when you were ahead.:uhuh:

It's still a dumb idea. I'm afraid you're on an island with this one. People have pointed out the flaws in your argument, but you refuse to see any perspective other than your own.

A Good Coach should be instilling this in his players.....that is the basis of Good Sportsmanship.

I have a bridge from that island or did you overlook the word replaced. I think teamwork could be taught in other ways incorprorated into conditioning without having to beat the other person/team. How many injuries and deaths have to occur before we take a look at school sports? I honestly feel sports teach, reinforce and even promotes disrepect of others.
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You're right. I'm going to take my 6 year old son out of soccer baseball, basketball and lacrosse because I don't want him to disrespect people.
It's mainly the parents job to teach a kid to be respectful, along with teachers and coaches. Don't blame sports. If a kid is disrespectful in sports, he or she will be disrespectful in other areas of life. Stop using sports as an excuse.
And if sports are so bad, why is it ok for them to play if it's privatized but not in school? Your argument is ridiculously flawed. And will privatizing sports end injuries and sports related deaths? How many deaths or serious injuries occured in sporting events at OA in 2011?

Perhaps competive sports especially when it comes to children is were civility and respet is removed or eliminated.
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Our schools athletics have been 0 funded & self-supporting for years. Lots of hours by parents and students in fundraisers. My daughter was a 3 letter completion. It made a big difference when it came to college. She was able to go to a better college that we would not have been able to afford. She had to keep up her grades or off the team. I can say their record was not the greatest but every girl on the team has gone off to college. I would think that If you privatized the sports programs after a few years if their records were not over 500 or making playoffs that programs would just end.

The programs could be arranged in a way that would for lack of a better term be handicapped by tracking the performance of individuals and moving them around to keep teams somewhat even in terms of ability. It might teach acceptance of others and teach true team work as oppossed to teaching dominance.
Parents who care about there childrens developement are far and few between, I think lots of parents enroll their kids in sports to get them out of their hair.
Mike you have done a great job I have met your daughter.
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Competition is a good thing,but it doesn't have to be spurred on by a school event.It is the responsibility of the parent to know their child and guide accordingly.I never understood the need to overdo it though. Most hockey kids are the worst as Typhoon pointed out due to odd ice hours. I think it is important for children to stay busy and to sometimes overload them with responsibilities. How they handle these burdens can shape their lives.They learn to prioritize and occasionally push themselves.Don't kid yourselves though, our children learn their life lessons at home;sports and all the other activities just provide an outlet,or a conduit to express themselves with their peers.

School sports should be mandatory.
They teach respect for rules and that infractions of said rules have penalties.
They offer an outlet for hormonal driven aggression.
They teach teamwork and responsibility.
They teach respect for your opponent.
They teach respect for ones peers.
They teach respect for oneself.
With proper guidence and coaching of course.
All these qualities are sorely lacking in today's American culture.

ya i know, they learn to manage their time better and go to bed early the night before like I did

it wasn't when I was a kid
I thought grades have to at a certain level or else you are off the team





Ed, no school sports? good luck with that

Thanks for such detailed answers to my questions.

And Sea Dangles is right. Parents are responsible for teaching core values to their kids, not sports programs.
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I'm working with a phone and find it difficult enough just trying to post. What questions would you like me to answer?
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Ok fishbones I found them, I will respond first by stating this is a discussion not an argument so there are no flaws just different issues that are being twisted together.
I don't know how many injuries or death occur each year but to me public funding should not be used for school sports. Perhaps the professional sport organizations should provide the funding to cover all school sports seeing as they are the ones who benefit most.
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I'd bet that there are more Injuries or Deaths because of alchohol and drug abuse due to kids having nothing better to do after school but get into trouble.....unless maybe Sports was there for them..... Or maybe other after school programs.

So can a crappy Math Teacher, or a Crappy Parent or Crappy Neighbor.....or a dozen other crappy people that will inevitably come into a kids life. I'd rather they learn how to keep going forward in spite of people like that...instead of getting sour on an entire program

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Seek counseling immediately.
The system is flawed but you have issues a fishing board can't fix.
Let it go and get on with life.

i think every school should have a HUGE gardening program (ie for exercise)
as an OPTION rather than all this jogging around the town crap

where you grow food for the school cafeteria so it's picked fresh, eaten fresh
and building your own salad .....is the name of the game....instead of the slop
that resembles food served in a Prison. man i hate canned peas with a passion.
to develop a real understanding of what food is... not this bastardized over processed everything is a box of brownies mentality.

Nutritional awareness and or classes should be MANDATORY only because
the vitamin and or nutrient levels of food today IS HALF what it was 20 years ago. we are energy beings that need "live" food not dead food is my point.
we as a nation have entered into the hypersensitive to all chemicals... times.

WHEN you say food to a kid today they instantly have visions of a big mac or macaroni and cheese or PIZZA... never an apple just plucked off a tree
or a strawberry picked from a patch. PUMPkins are just for decoration and carving jack o lanterns or for SMASHING!!!! :doh:

I see a trend of kids becoming thrill seeking "jackass" junkies and that is all that matters to them...forever... and they just don't realize that every injury they inflict upon themselves recklessly (to show off) today will come back to haunt them later in Life. talk about medical programs and responsibility...
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I also think that FISHING should be officially recognized as a SPORT in schools
the same as basketball, football, and baseball and track is.....

Perception of time should be taught also ....because it changes dramatically as you age. Not one of you can say that you don't remember staring at one of those big round white wall clocks when you were in school watching the second hand move round in round in slow motion ....minutes seeming like hours.

and

How to best utilize your time as in: What can i accomplish in just ten minutes.

interesting enough is the sudden interest in the political race for the presidency of the USA that could be completely over run by the 18-21 year olds which is going to happen "eventually" and technology might just be the :key: to it happening.

whats next ..... BILLION dollar high schools? why not just strap them in a reclining chair...attach a neuro helmet and pump the education into their brains in one sitting. Schools Over ! go get a job now. bye :wave:

Oh man Fred, you nailed it.
A good coach can turn a young person around and sports teach lessons in
getting up and starting over. Good thing to get knocked on your
arse once in a while.

Ed, I said your argument was flawed because you gave reasons such as kids feeling inferior, injuries and deaths for not having school sponsored sports programs. But at the same time you said that they should be privatized. If they're that bad for kids, there should be no sports allowed anywhere.

And now that I see your real reason for not liking school sports, I realize you aren't going to change your mind. You had a traumatic experience in HS and blame it on the coach and sports program. It's a shame that you couldn't change the perception people had of you over the next couple years in school and move on. I agree about seeking counseling. This is something you should have gotten past years ago and to let it still bother you this much isn't good for your well-being.

Thanks for your compassion but this site does have different areas for conversations just like this. You may or may not agree with how I see the world but you haven't walked in my shoes either. My personal experiences have shaped my mind and allow me to discuss issues openly which I think adds to the site. Should I refrain from posting my opinion in the future just to satiate the ones who don't agree with my perspective? I have a feeling some people do agree with me but consider posting the equivalent of touching the third rail, I say speak your mind and stand with your convictions.

What difference does it make whether a juvenile plays competitive sports where they are being trained to beat the other person as opposed to being taught to work with others through conditioning? Competitive sports teaches aggression and aggression isn't always a good thing, it's time to break the cycle.

This discussion has morphed into judging me rather than the issue of the cost associated with competitive sports in public schools and the impact of competitive sports on juveniles both from a physical and psychological perspective.

I only said it could be privatized to allow for flexibility realizing perhaps my experiences have influenced me and extremes such as total elimination of competitive sports might be unreasonable.
Once again my issue was the cost involved with these programs and my belief that something needs to change; isn't that what the populous voted for....change:biglaugh: Without discussions we don't move forward, stop worrying about me and get back to the issue of the cost of competitive sports.

jeezus, I agree with you.
ROckfish - those life skills you noted should be taught by the parents, not school. Its my job to teach them to cook, manage money, etc. I also think its my job to reinforce reading, math etc.
as for the original post, i have no idea what problem this would solve. Im not a sports guy but encourage my kids to play. its good for them, I want them to get knocked down and defeated. Its not handling success that builds charcter, its handling failure. I think competitive sports build that.

[QUOTE=ecduzitgood;910944]Thanks for your compassion but this site does have different areas for conversations just like this. You may or may not agree with how I see the world but you haven't walked in my shoes either. My personal experiences have shaped my mind and allow me to discuss issues openly which I think adds to the site. Should I refrain from posting my opinion in the future just to satiate the ones who don't agree with my perspective? I have a feeling some people do agree with me but consider posting the equivalent of touching the third rail, I say speak your mind and stand with your convictions.



What difference does it make whether a juvenile plays competitive sports where they are being trained to beat the other person as opposed to being taught to work with others through conditioning? Competitive sports teaches aggression and aggression isn't always a good thing, it's time to break the cycle.





You have to get past the scars,whether real or imagined.I am participating in the discussion and that is my advice. The fact that nobody has agreed with you speaks volumes regarding your unique perspective.There is no shame in seeking help,but if you decide not to I am afraid the scars won't heal and there will be nobody to blame but yourself.Good Luck and Happy New Year.

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