what is this country doing about the other imprisoned hikers?
 

we have ahmindajad (or whatever) coming to our country to swew his filth and we have innocent americans in a cell in Iran. WTF!!!
More weakness.

We can't prevent him from coming to speak at the UN. I see the UN in the same light as I see ASMFC. A conglomerate which is impotent in it's ability to regulate.

crazy me for thinkning out of the box, but couldnt we have grabbed him and stuffed him in prison until they released the hikers? Who would complain if we did? If those were your kids, isnt that what you would want?

If we, as a country, continue to NOT stand up for ourselves and our own self interest, we will end up falling to our knees to someone elses'.

Can we see just how far the prez and his flunkies will bend over to take whatever these "napoleans" of the world shove at them?

Since they were activist aganist the American establishment maybe the U S was in no hurry to free them.

Hikers In Iran

I love it, these individuals show a complete lack of responsibility and RIJIMMY looks to the Government to come to their rescue.

I'd note the USA didn't pony the 1/2 M bail for the woman either.

-spence

I agree, yet they are Americans......kinda

can't jeopardize the straight of Hamuz by nabbing maggot sh1t

Explain please.

You have three Americans in one of the hottest Taliban strongholds in Iraq, northern Iraq, they were never held prisoner nor executed which most Americans would be just being American.

Whose side were they on?

Innocent? They crossed the border illegally.

Apparrently Iran understands border control better than the US does.
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I am sure there is alot more to the whole story than the public will ever know.

Wth were they hiking in Iraq for anyway, why not hike the rockies or himilayas?

Taliban stronghold in Iraq?

-spence

AK 47s are cheaper?
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Are you saying that there are no Taliban in the region that they were in?

I think you're confusing Taliban with al Qaeda.

-spence

I thought living in the strongest country in the world meant something, I guess Im wrong. I thought we protect our citizens no matter what country they're in?
SO we protect illegal aliens in our country, give terrorists civil rights but dont do everything in our power to free our own citizens when held captive by other nations?

I think out of sight out of mind applies. How long was that guy incarcerated in China until Carter went? Obama's aunt it getting more attention, and money. As she says it is her right to get that

You don't want millions spent locally to lazy idiots who don't have a job, but you want the government to spend millions to get some morons out of prison who knew exactly the chances they were taking?

You are probably right.

"chances they were taking"
see, thats the funny part. We've come to accept that 2 bit nations can threaten US citizens. If you go into a rough part of town at 2 am and you have an M-60, you wouldnt say you were taking chances. Thats the "old" America. Now, were walking through a rough part of town with a pink sweater and a toy poodle. Thats the "new" America.
Just another example of "weak" america that will empower more terrorists than the invastion of Iraq ever will.

Did they cross the border illegally? If so they broke Iranian Laws and this is what they get.

We expect people to obey our laws when they come here.....why should we not expect Americans to obey the laws of other countries when they go abroad.

so your fine they've been held for 400+ days with no trial, no legal representation.
I wonder if they get the Koran handed to them with gloves on and special meals like the tortured poor innocents in Guantanamo?

If they broke the laws of another country.....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Lets go Sight seeing in a Warzone.....Stupidest friggin thing somebody can do.

Oh wait, we're Americans.....You can't hold Stupidity against us

Is this the first time some stupid American's were arrested for crossing some countries border and thrown in that countries jail? I would have thought it would have happened somewhere before - maybe China?

A-jad met with Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panther party this weekend in New York.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/j...JJJHSxgrxPtfbJ

What he said.

:lurk::lurk:

This is just heating up,,,,

Just because they are American doesn't give them the liberty to do whatever they want and then expect my tax dollars to save them. If someone goes strolling into the Korean DMZ and get arrested or shot, it's their own fault for being a jackass. There shouldn't be any response or ramifications. Bad things are suppose to happen to people who make poor decisions - they are now feeling the ramifications of their poor choices.

From his interview with the Globe:
"You know that every country has very strict rules to control its borders. It applies to every country including the United States. If you enter across the border illegallly the rules are pretty strict.... These three individuals crossed our border. Regardless of what they had in mind. I'm not the judge here. Accordijng to our law, they violated it."
Transcript: Ahmadinejad's interview with the Boston Globe - Worldly Boston - Boston's influence on international and world news

you left out this part -

You should know that there are seven Iranians who are in prison right now in the United States. They did not cross the US border illegally. They had visas from a third country and they were visiting a third country legally. They were intercepted by American officers in a third country, arrested and brought to American soil. Iranian people read about this and what do you think they think? If the judiciary releases these three Americans the Iranians are going to attack the judiciary building and bring it down to the ground floor. They will say, 'how come you did that when there are seven Iranians in prison illegally in the United States?

I think perhaps a good gesture would be to exchange, to swap these people. Let's have a formal judicial agreement so that . . .every party can be brought to justice before the courts of their own country when cases of this nature arise.

at least they fight for their people.......Americans will turn on Dancing with the Stars and suck down a few bags of Doritos.

basically, everything all of you posted is incorrect. They were not in a war zone.
Also, they are not being held for crossing the border. they are being held for ESPIONAGE! So, its not the responsibility of our country to get them out?

On July 31, 2009, three Americans, Sarah Shourd (31), Shane Bauer (27) and Joshua Fattal (27), were detained by Iranian border guards whilst hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran claims the three crossed into Iranian territory,[1] but the three Americans claim they were kidnapped from within Iraq.[2]

Sarah Shourd was released by Iran on September 14, 2010.[3]

In June 2010, an article in The Nation alleged that two villagers said the hikers were accosted by Iranian authorities while they were on the Iraqi side of the border.[2]

The three, anti-war, social justice and Palestinian solidarity activists,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] had been living and active in the Middle East, and were on holiday in Iraqi Kurdistan, an autonomous region of Iraq free from the sectarian struggle that dominates much of Iraq[13][14][15]. They had been advised of the suitability of the region for a holiday by friends who had been there and through Internet research; and were recommended the Ahmed Awa waterfall, a popular Kurdish tourist destination, by a number of local people whilst they were in Sulaymaniyah.[15] After visiting the waterfall, they continued walking within what they believed to be Iraqi Kurdistan, up to and including the time they were detained by Iranian border guards.[16]

According to the BBC, they were not "publicly charged" with a crime by Iran;[17] but according to the New York Times, they have been held on espionage charges since their arrest.[18]

Their companion, Shon Meckfessel, was not detained, as he stayed behind at the Hotel Miwan in Sulaymaniyah because of a cold. He had intended to join them the following day.

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Yes, please free a bunch of retards. Somewhere in the constitution there's a clause that says we can be utter retards anywhere in the world. Also wear t shirts made in china that have our flag on them.
USA!
USA!

you guys all have a lot of pride in being US citizens.

Dont worry, it shows and people (namely our enemies) are counting on it.

Haven't you ranted before about how people aren't held accountable for their actions enough?

Nationalism is not predicated by a blind support of moronic actions others take when abroad. They decided to explore near the border of a country which we hold some of the most politically hostile relations with. The only reason they weren't shot on site is because they are worth more as a bargaining/PR asset. There are enough stupid people here already... they can rot in Iran for all I care.

You have absorbed GOP debating methods well though - forming your own definition of patriotism and hiding behind it to support a baseless argument.

Jay Severin, a talk radio host would always make an observation I agree with. A few thousand years ago, being a citizen of Rome meant something, no matter where you went, no one effed with you because it would bring down the wrath of the empire. It used to be the same with the US. Not anymore. We get no respect, why? Cause we have no balls. You do remember the Iran hostage crisis dont you? WHo won that? Not us. I highly doubt these people were spies, yet that is what they are held for. Next time you're abroad and get nabbed for jay walking and wind up in prison, dont look for your country to protect you. its not that we should be free from accountaiblity for any stupid action, but we should be backed up by our government to ensure the rights of our citizens. I look at these hikers as political prisoners. I guess its just me. Didnt the government get heavily involved in the case of that kid in Singapore that was caned? Same thing IMHO.

I'm actually with Jim.
I do think there is more to the story. Maybe they are trying to hone in on some opiates to traffic or something. Maybe they are just retards, however, we went to N.K. to get the religious 'missionary' who snuck in a few months ago. we should be doing something although how much is being done and how much is being discussed openly may be two different things entirely!

I think I agree with RIJ on this one.

We should immediately demand their release.

Of course, a negotiation will ensue, and the US will have to compramise to gain agreement.

Say the hikers for another 12 months of nuclear program. That sound about right.
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Kid got what he deserved.....he still got caned, didn't he.

and Espionage is a little more serious than Vandalizing Cars.

Next time you come across a group of cambodians poaching fish....remember in their country its legal and they just didn't know better, so we should be lenient with them....its OK to be ignorant of our laws.....

and I like the way you question somebody's "Pride in America" because we don't want to rush in and save 3 Dumbasses who put themselves in a bad situation.

Call it crazy but Common sense dictates that you don't go to an area of the World that wants to Kill Americans. bad Choice of Vacation spots there....try Disneyworld next time...good wholesome American fun.

"Nanny state save meeee! Waaah!"

You go to a foreign country, you abide by their laws. Or is that too hard to understand?

Borders of hostile countries are a bit of a no-brainer....

This is the version of the events that I've seen over past few weeks. They were near the border but on the Iraq side is Iraqi Kurd area. Would not be the first time the Iranians have been lazy regarding borders.

your right, much better to cower in fear and play it safe. (BTW - thats about 60 percent ;of the world)
And I started this thread because Ahmidinjead (sp) was in the the good ole friendly us and we did NOTHING. OOOH, not true ! We walked out on him! Ouch! I bet he was hurt, So a hostile country (likwids words) captures Americans for ESPIONAGE. And most of you think we should do nothing?
If you really think about, with that logic, Daniel Pearl basically got what he deserved, I mean a Jew in Iraqm, during a war, come on, talk about STUPID.
Those wacky muslims, man they crack me up. Hopeful they will be found guilty and stoned to death, that will be a fun show!

And my pride in america comments were directed at likwid, have you ever met someone with so much disdain for this country, err that wasnt middle eastern I mean.