Another - you cant make this up
Why isnt this lady in handcuffs and being escorted out of the country?
The best line - On Thursday, the SEIU announced that it will spend $5 million on radio and television ads in Spanish attacking Whitman. What a bizarre country we line in. By ANDY BARR | 10/1/10 8:25 AM EDT Updated: 10/1/10 10:32 AM EDT After dueling press conferences and numerous statements Thursday, California gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman seems no closer to being able to move past allegations that she knowingly employed an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper. Whitman harshly condemned the story on Thursday, accusing Democrat Jerry Brown in a press conference of pushing the “lies” about her. But immediately after Whitman finished ripping into Brown and attorney Gloria Allred for airing the accusation, Allred stepped up to the microphone at her own press conference to insist that she had “proof” that Whitman employed Nicky Diaz knowing she was in the country illegally. Allred produced a 2003 letter from the Social Security Administration questioning whether the number Diaz had provided for her tax documentation was legitimate. The letter, Allred showed with a giant, blown-up prop, had a handwritten note the attorney insisted belongs to Whitman’s husband instructing Diaz to check into it. Whitman at first denied that she or her husband had seen the letter, speculating that Diaz may have hidden it from the couple. But hours later, Whitman’s husband, Griff Harsh, released a statement admitting that “it is possible” that he saw the letter and wrote the note. “While I honestly do not recall receiving this letter, as it was sent to me seven years ago, I can say it is possible that I would've scratched a follow up note on a letter like this, which is a request for information to make certain Nicky received her Social Security benefits and W-2 tax refund for withheld wages. Since we believed her to be legal, I would have had no reason to suspect that she would not have filled it in and done what was needed to secure her benefits,” said Harsh. “It is important to note what this letter actually says: 'this letter makes no statement about your employee's immigration status.,” Harsh continued. “The essential fact remains the same, neither Meg nor I believed there was a problem with Nicky's legal status and I certainly don't recall ever discussing it with my wife, nor did I ever show her any letter about it. The facts of this matter are very clear: Ms. Diaz broke the law and lied to us and to the employment agency.” Whitman has consistently stated that she fired the housekeeper as soon as she learned of Diaz’s illegal status — and she has tried at every opportunity to link Brown to the story. Whitman’s campaign points out that Allred is a supporter of Brown and has tried to make the case that Brown has a history of pulling off stunts late in campaigns designed to discredit his Republican opponents. Brown has not yet commented on the story, but many of his allies have begun to seize on the allegation to attack Whitman. On Thursday, the SEIU announced that it will spend $5 million on radio and television ads in Spanish attacking Whitman. Read more: Meg Whitman vexed by housekeeper claims - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com |
I agree anyone who hires an illegal should be shipped out. That would solve our illegals problem.
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No suprise you believe the maid is a "victim" instead of a criminal. |
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I thought your post was about Witman. As I said, if no one hired illegals, they wouldn't want to come here. |
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Does this mean that I have to fire the two illegals that work on my lawn?
I think that I found a loop hole, they are not mexican, they are guatemalan. :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: |
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Considering there are 12 million or so illegal aliens in this country, you'd think a sense of priority would place a housekeeper who's here simply to improve her life pretty low on the list. That's not to say she shouldn't be processed as an offender, but that to make an example of her doesn't make a lot of sense. Of course, she could always be a terrorist. -spence |
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Any politician who does hires illegals (Whitman, Zoe Baird), doesn't know the cost of a bread/milk or the minimum wage (L. McMahon) doesn't deserve to be elected. |
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This was a big part of the AZ legislation which sought to make it a "crime" by requiring all immigrants to carry papers indicating their current status. -spence |
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whew, theres still hope....
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. |
If she's hot she should be able to stay
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Lived in this state my whole life. Had to go up to Lynn to meet a vendor today, my first trip that far up Rt. 1A. My immediate thought, "Holy Sh#t this place is a dump."
Do you think the Boston hotels and cleaning companies have a shuttle service set up that runs regular trips between Boston and that area? As a business owner, it's my obligation to retain documents to assure the people I hire have a legal right to work here. If I screw that up, it should be on me. However, if I do my due diligence and they turn out illegal, screw anyone who tries to put it on me. Employers need to be held responsible but they are not the INS. Whitman allegedly obtained the proper documents from Diaz. It is up to the government to take it from there if they have any question about status. This is one of those times that I have to say.... I completely agree with RIJIMMY. |
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Lynn was known for the city of sin :)
Lynn, Lynn the city of sin, you don't go out the way you came in. |
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I don't know what he's vending but....Lynn has GE and North Shore Community College, is right on the Commuter Rail, is a quick 20 minute ride into Boston, Property is cheap, Labor is cheap, More Liqour licenses and Greek Sub Shops per capita than any other town on the north shore....and a 2 am Bar Closing Time.... Quote:
Geesh, if you're gonna say it....ya gotta say it right. :hihi: Lynn Lynn, City of Sin, You never come out the way you went in.. |
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Pretty pathetic how popular the Lawrence police chief is on the local news stations ! |
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The simple fact is that most Americans, if put in her position, would have done exactly the same thing. That doesn't mean it's right (legally speaking) mind you, but there are moral implications to be factored in. I've heard of a saying in South America that you "can't fault someone for trying to get by" and to some degree this is reflected in the US. Would you fault a parent for stealing to feel starving children? I'm not sure it's really that easy to relate. -spence |
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You're all for better control, except for those that want a better life? Then perhaps she should apply for legal immigration status and legally enter this country. Do you think immigrants that come through breaking our laws to get in generally will be law abiding citizens after some kind of amnesty? Sorry, I just have an issue with people breaking the laws and then being given wrist slaps at best. I think our biggest problem with immigration is that we do not get enough of the best and brightest that come here legally and retain them. Instead, half the elected government turns and looks the other way for the main influx of immigrants we have. But as a country, we stopped looking forward to improve ourselves and instead became the baby sitter. "I don't think she could be charged under this section of code as she's already here..." Law no longer applies. Nice. |
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Or how about my wifes parents, her Dad was an indentured servant living in India? Her house had no refrigeration and no inside plumbing. Hmm, I wonder why they all came here legally? But I bet thats all not nearly as hard as she had it in Mexico. I wonder if that mentality of taking the easy road, sneaking in, falsifying documents, lying, cheating, I wonder if that makes you a stronger citizen vs. the hard way of coming here legally, demonstrating hard work and perseverance to your children, friends, neighbors. Which one leads to a better America? |
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I think the challenge for someone like the subject of this thread is that unless you have a family connection or can show that your job skills are in high demand it can take many years to be approved if ever. I've also seen some reports that the true cost (in $$$) can be quite prohibitive. That certainly doesn't justify the behavior, but I don't think you can compare it to other situations which may or may not be equitable. We don't really know her true motivation for coming to the USA, and immigration policy has changed a lot over the past century reflecting (and shaping) many trends. From what we see about drug violence and the trafficking of immigrants across the border, it certainly doesn't look like it's the "easy road" to me. More justification for better border security and prosecution of business that hire illegal workers. Remember, to try and understand why someone would come here illegally doesn't mean your seeking to legitimize it. -spence |
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Although, with the natural resources, workforce and expanding business south of the border, it will be interesting to see how the economies and people respond over the next few decades. Quote:
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That's not the point. I'm all for better control of our borders, but from her perspective...she was just trying to make a better life. spence[/QUOTE] a housekeeper who's here simply to improve her life pretty low on the list. spence[/QUOTE] We don't really know her true motivation for coming to the USA |
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spence[/QUOTE] We don't really know her true motivation for coming to the USA[/QUOTE] That was her ploy. get a job working for Meg "Buy the election" Whitman, THEN set up a sleeper cell. of course! case cracked! |
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We don't really know her true motivation for coming to the USA[/QUOTE] That was her ploy. get a job working for Meg "Buy the election" Whitman, THEN set up a sleeper cell. of course! case cracked![/QUOTE] guess I should have provided the entire quote(contradiction) so as not to confuse the brilliant global warming scientists "I think the challenge for someone like the subject of this thread is that unless you have a family connection or can show that your job skills are in high demand it can take many years to be approved if ever. I've also seen some reports that the true cost (in $$$) can be quite prohibitive. That certainly doesn't justify the behavior, but I don't think you can compare it to other situations which may or may not be equitable. We don't really know her true motivation for coming to the USA, oh but we do! Quote: Originally Posted by spence You misread the point, which is, that if you were born and grew up as she did, you would likely come to the US illegally if you thought it was the best way to get ahead because of limited opportunities at home. -spence Originally Posted by spence That's not the point. I'm all for better control of our borders, but from her perspective...she was just trying to make a better life. spence[/QUOTE] a housekeeper who's here simply to improve her life pretty low on the list. and immigration policy has changed a lot over the past century reflecting (and shaping) many trends." stupidity like this is why we can't get anything done on immigration: "That was her ploy. get a job working for Meg "Buy the election" Whitman, THEN set up a sleeper cell. of course! case cracked!" she either can't be blamed for trying to improve her life or you are equating her with a terrorist if you suggest she shouldn't be here... |
Although her motivation may have been honorable to her, the law is the law and she, just like myself and everybody else in this country, needs to abide by it.
She broke it so now she must take the consequences that come with it. |
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