The state of the GOP
 

I think two memorable moments from the past week were Gov. Rick Perry asserting dark crowded movie theaters would be better off with lots of firearms...

...and then following it up by challenging Donald Trump to a pull up contest.

Did that guy from Ohio get in the race?

Is anyone else besides Trump (and Perry) still running?

Both Parties live in a toilet. Any other thought is based in BS. Look at the DEM challengers Hillary?? Really. No one has taken more big business money. Sanders. How well will a "socialist" poll in the Midwest. Sorry but this election will be decided by TMZ just like the last two.
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Besides that what is wrong with responsible people legally carrying for self defense. Not my cup of tea but given the recent rise of gun violence by people who carry illegally in my area my mind is opening to the option.
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Ever shot in low light situations? I have, and I'd prefer me and several others be armed and at least able to defend ourselves if the situation ever arose. 90% of "mass shootings" are in Gun Free zones, whats that tell you?
The more I see and read from Rand Paul the more I like him. Term limits, tax code etc etc ..

I had this exact discussion this morning. It's like watching a season of professional wrestling. Or better yet, like watching everyone jump out of a clown car.
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That's because this far out, the most vocal and flamboyant candidates (read, the freaks) get all the press.

Spence would have you believe that Donald Trump represents the whole party, even though 80% of registered republicans prefer someone else. Trump and Bernie Sanders are getting a lot of press, I have a better shot at getting chosen as a Vidal Sassoon model (I'm bald) then either of them has of getting elected.

Spence, what's your problem with "the guy from Ohio" exactly? I guess he comes across as a bit of a bumpkin, but if all you care about is a smooth talker who has zero common sense, Weird Harold shows us what happens when we go that route.

Look at the political leanings of states with highest/lowest debt. Or states that are losing population versus those that are adding jobs. In the face of that, all you can do is what you just did, lob personal attacks.

Spence, did Al Sharpton represent your entire party when he ran? Does he speak for you? Or is it possible that both parties have a certain freak element?

Neither Trump nor Perry will be around after Super Tuesday, it's a disgrace that Trump will be in the first debate, and not someone like Bobby Jindal.

I saw a good post the other day, it said, "asking the American people to pick a good representative from the republican or Democratic Party, is like telling them to eat healthy at McDonald's or Burger King. "
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Wow. That hit the nail right on the head !
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this is like making fun of someone's new car while you are riding around on a crappy old moped :heybaby: the GOP has quite a few options....looks like "recruit Biden" is the dems last hope currently....haaaaaaaaaaaaa

Did anyone else waste 2 hours watching that "debate" last night? Fox News should be embarrassed.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...get-a-warrant/
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One of the funnier moments. My observation was there wasn't much debate, just FOX trying to stir the pot.

Watched it last night - mediocre. Probably put a good nail in the Trump coffin.

Dying to see Hillary and Bernie Sanders - I am going to arrange an online drinking game where you take a sip for every swig for every Marxist slogan and a swig for every time they try to come across as tough on liberty and and strong foreign policy

#hashtagsmatter

Yes - how many shootings / killings are caused by legal armed crazy people versus how many caused by sane people with illegal guns.

Numbers are not close but we only hear about one of them on the news.

Jump out, while moving 10mph, and then trying to jump back in again.

I can't beleive trumps response to calling women fat pigs! Sorry Rosie lol
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In that drinking game, Eril Flynn and Richard Burton would be dead 5 minutes in.

The Clintons gave 15M to charity over the last few years. Sounds great, right?. Turns out 14.8 million of that, went to their foundation, from which they reimburse themselves for lavish travel expenses, and give themselves a podium on which to promote their agenda. The word 'disgusting' doesn't even come close.

Fox is clearly in the tank for Jeb Bush, #^&#^&#^&#^& Fox and him.
Trump is an ass but he reflects how most feel with our elected officials, pissed off.
Too bad he doesn't have any answers or solutions.
Christie must have got lessons from his buddy Obozo on how to blame the guy before him.
Ben Carson is the guy I'll support if he can get the nomination of the party.
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The Clinton's have multiple charities. They donate most of their money to the Clinton Family Foundation which acts as a distribution point for donations to other charities, though from what I've read most of their money is applied directly.

For the most part you're just parroting the original WSJ opinion piece that all the pundits jumped on not realizing it was severely flawed.

Why some conservatives enthusiastically favor Trump over establishment Republicans:

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2015/0.../?subscriber=1

Trump is not my choice. I prefer either Cruz, Jindal, Carson, or Fiorina--and a combination of any two of them for Pres. and VP. But the Democrat-lite establishment leadership prefers to support their own Dem-lite guys, like Jeb Bush etc., and it invites the conservative base to bolt the party and give the election and future of the country to progressive socialist rule.

Those who think that, at this time, a plurality, or even a small majority of Americans won't vote for a socialist, might be right . . . but they may not be right.

If establishment conservatives actually offered a distinct choice to progressivism, Trump would not be a factor.

"They donate most of their money to the Clinton Family Foundation "

14.8M, out of 15.0M, to be precise.

"the original WSJ opinion piece that all the pundits jumped on not realizing it was severely flawed"

How was it flawed? Does the Foundation provide these weasels with perks (luxury travel, a platform to promote their agenda) or not?

Does that also include the $600,000/yr salary to Chelsea Clinton, nice girl ,I like her a lot, working for the Clinton Foundation?

WOW...that's almost as good as being Kennedy and working for Citizens Energy,,,,,those "non-profits" sure pay impressive salaries....wonder what you have to do to get one of those jobs?

Chelsea is also married to a hedge fund manager. Yu know, one of thos ehedge fund managers that Hilary is always blamoing for all the evil in the world.

Hilary is a lot like Liz Warren, aka Apache Chief. It's OK for them to be rich, but not anyone else.

Is that the same Hillary who invested $10,000 which was turned into $100,000
in like a few months????
Couldn't be, she was broke when she left the White House. :hihi:

The Clintons were homeless and broke when they stepped out of the white house....only to become rich stepping over the threshold entrance of one of their two mansions...:)

Prolly first perquisite would be willing to lie.

Chelsea didn't earn 600k a year working for the Clinton Foundation.
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No that was an NBC, where despite having no experience, managed to core that salary. She also pulls in another 250k a year to serve on the Board Of Directors (since she has so much experience) at something called IAC.

But Hilary rails against the fact that the system is tilted in favor of the rich & powerful. No hypocrisy there, right Spence?

Justplugit is always close with his facts but wrong on important details.
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But she did make 600k a year at NBC, and no one would deny she got that gig thanks to her parentage. Shouldn't that preclude Hilary from decrying income inequality and how awful it is that the rich and well-connected have all these perks? Who the hell is she to complain about these things? With one hand, she wags her finger at the system for all of its unfairness. With the other hand, she milks said system for tens of millions of dollars? That's not revolting to you?

Same as one of Pres. Bush's daughters.
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It's not remotely the same, because Bush didn't base his campaign on bashing the system that made him stinking rich. Hilary is doing exactly that.

Clearly, Hilary isn't too offended by our capitalist system, because she's taking advantage of it for immense personal gain. WHy is OK when she does it, but not a hedge fund manager? Let me re-phrase, why is it wrong for hedge fund managers, except her son-in-law, to do what they do? Why does he deserve his riches, but no one else in his profession?

What the hell is in that Kool Aid, anyway?

You're right in this case, but please elaborate on I'm" ALWAYS CLOSE" on facts
but wrong on important details anywhere else. You paint with a broad brush. :)

she's 36 and she's worth 15 million and her parents are poor....quite a success story....love free market capitalism....what did she do again?

hard to determine what her compensation is at the Clinton Slush Fund but one of her buddies pulled down 275k for 5 months
(Eric Braverman, a friend of Chelsea Clinton, was paid nearly $275,000 in salary, benefits, and a housing allowance for just five months’ work )..soooo...not to mention all of the lavish and extravagant perks one enjoys while in the midst of non-profit work


"The website Celebrity Net Worth pegs Chelsea’s personal fortune at $15 million, with most of her dough earned as a consultant at McKinsey & Co. and by working for Avenue Capital Investment Group. The site estimates Mezvinsky, 36, is also worth $15 million, which he made as an investment banker at Goldman Sachs and while working at the hedge fund 3G Capital and at a hedge fund he co-founded in 2011."

Hillary was asked how she’ll convince voters she’s not “part of the problem” on the issue of income inequality.
“But they don’t see me as part of the problem,” she said, “because we pay ordinary income tax, unlike a lot of people who are truly well off, not to name names; and we’ve done it through dint of hard work.”

The Clinton Foundation joins Al Sharpton’s troubled National Action Network on Charity Navigator’s list. It seems appropriate that two great con artists, Bill Clinton and Al Sharpton, should be thus be joined.

Sharpton’s outfit reportedly made the list because it didn’t pay payroll taxes for several years. The Clinton Foundation’s problems run deeper. According to the Post, it took in more than $140 million in grants and pledges in 2013 but spent just $9 million on direct aid.

Much of the Foundation’s money goes to travel ($8.5 million in 2013); conferences, conventions and meetings ($9.2 million); and payroll and employee benefits ($30 million).

Right, right. And the CEOs and hedge fund managers she blames for the inequities of our system, how does she know that none of them worked hard?

Earth to liberals...poverty is brutal and unfair. However, in most cases, it is not caused by another person's wealth. Wealth is not finite, it's not like a pizza. If Hilary pulls in another $1M in speaking fees this month, that does not mean there's $1M less for the rest of us to scrounge for.

That cannot be mad wrong, it is irrefutable fact. However - because one of the pillars of liberalism is that if you have been anointed with "victim" status, then nothing that goes wrong is ever your fault, all you problems are created by a rich white guy in a Brooks Brothers suit - Hilary is expected to rally her base with this lie.

You frequently get important facts wrong. You did in the thread about the classified emails. Previously, you claimed some liberal made a statement and if fact it was a conserv. (on another thread). Just a few examples.

But to the state of the GOP – examples - refuses to take $10 in spending cuts if $1 in tax increases, deny global warming (and pass rules for certain depts. to prevent them from looking at it), want to defund environmental depts. (who started the DEP? It would never be proposed by a Rep. now) seem racist, sexist (see Trump Mexicans/woman and the refusal of the candidates to say anything until the noise got so load), disrespectful of the Pres. (you can disagree strongly w/o the rude, disrespectful things said) the constant “if your poor, you’re lazy and on welfare”, insist. on bringing up social issues where the cand. position is much further right than the general pop. bc they’re appealing to the evangelical right, etc. etc. They have gotten further and further right and have alienated more and more segments of the population (“illegals”, “anchor babies”, etc) leaving their base as old white guys and married white woman. When they lose the next election, they will pay lip service to why and then continue to say it is bc people want things for free. White men are a shrinking % of the pop., yet that is who they focus on. This is not the GOP who use to regularly get my vote.

do not leave out the radical news reporter George Ramos's daughter... she is on the Clinton Foundation payroll too.....:)

"seem racist, sexist "

Oh, please tell that to Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, and Bobby Jindal.

"insist. on bringing up social issues "

You're right, how DARE we bring up social issues.

"They have gotten further and further right and have alienated more and more segments of the population"

This is great. You accuse us of alienating, yet you also call us racist and sexist. Yes, we can clearly learn to be inclusive by patterning our behavior after those on your side, who never ever talk about th actual issue, they just label everyone who disagrees with them as a racist hatemonger. That's inclusion, all right. Yesterday, Hilary compared the pro-life group (which is almost half the country) to ISIS. That's how to be inclusive?

“illegals” - Paul, why is that in quotes? If someone comes here illegally, it's inappropriate to say that out loud? Are you that politically correct?

"leaving their base as old white guys and married white woman"

again, tell that to Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Jindal, et al.

It's funny, I used to be a Democrat, and I felt like I got pushed out when the Dems got in bed with radicals like George Soros and Moveon.org. I also remember the way those racially sensitive democrats in the US Senate, led by Joe Biden, tried to block Clarence Thomas' nomination by playing to the lowest racial stereotype, by saying (with zero supporting evidence) that he i snot to be trusted around women.

A higher % of the US population identifies as conservative, rather than liberal. Which is probably we the GOP continues to do well in mid-terms, because those elections are decided more locally than presidential cycles.

The GOP controls both houses of congress, they have a majority of governborships and state legislatures. So while you did a great job regurgitating the MSNBC labels of Republicans, clearly the American public isn't buying it.

As the country becomes less white, I agree the GOP will have a hard time. But about the time that happens, is when Social Sucurity and Medicare will go belly up, and when that happens, lots of people will see irefutable proof that liberals lie through their teeth about such things to get votes.

Trump is a clown, but I get where his support comes from. In the last 2 elections, the GOP nomoinated McCain and Romney, 2 very very moderate guys. The country said no. So now some folks want to get someone who is further to the right. Is Obama a moderate? A guy who think sit's OK to kill babies who survive abortions and are outside the womb? A guy who sends his kids to a jillion dolla year private school, but is opposed to vouchers that let others escape failing schools?

The facts spit in the face of much of what you said. Less than one year ago, the GOP absolutely demolished the Democrats. How did that happen if the party only cares about rich white guys?

GOP agenda:
small federal govt
individual liberty
individual responsibility
power of the free market to provide upward economic mobility
being charitable to neighbors
sanctity of all life
fiscal responsibility
strong national defense
importance of American exceptionalism on the world stage

Granted, that's not how MSNBC describes the GOP agenda.