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Jim in CT 10-02-2018 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1152483)
I Didn't think people where talking about it in terms of race.

The senators are not making race an issue. The entire liberal media is, "look at all these old white guys judging poor Dr Ford".

I don't see a racial component to this.

Pete F. 10-02-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1152479)
I hate the identity politics.

I can see why you would
A new paper finds that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to support their party because of their own cultural identity
https://www.economist.com/democracy-...ntity-politics
Who’s Campaigning on Identity Politics?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/o...migration.html
Why identity politics benefits the right more than the left
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-trump-racism
The Republicans are now the party of identity politics
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-donald-trump
People don’t vote for what they want. They vote for who they are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.4fd8d23ebaca
Republicans and their identity politics are destroying America
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...are-destroying
this is the one you should read
Democrats Are Wrong About Republicans. Republicans Are Wrong About Democrats.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...out-democrats/

Sea Dangles 10-02-2018 12:36 PM

A lot of “what if” going around from the left. Haha
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Jim in CT 10-02-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1152485)
I can see why you would
A new paper finds that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to support their party because of their own cultural identity
https://www.economist.com/democracy-...ntity-politics
Who’s Campaigning on Identity Politics?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/o...migration.html
Why identity politics benefits the right more than the left
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-trump-racism
The Republicans are now the party of identity politics
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-donald-trump
People don’t vote for what they want. They vote for who they are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.4fd8d23ebaca
Republicans and their identity politics are destroying America
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...are-destroying
this is the one you should read
Democrats Are Wrong About Republicans. Republicans Are Wrong About Democrats.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...out-democrats/

I read the one about how Republican identity politics are destroying America. That was a real eye-opener. The very first sentence labeled Republicans as racist.

If you think that Republicans focus on identity politics more than Democrats, well, suffice to say I disagree. That's practically all you hear from democrats these days.

PaulS 10-02-2018 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1152484)
The senators are not making race an issue. The entire liberal media is, "look at all these old white guys judging poor Dr Ford".That is not racism. Just pointing out the lack of diversity (age, sex and race) on the panel, how it didn't change from the Thomas hearings and how they did not want to question her so they farmed it out.

I don't see a racial component to this.

I don't see a racial component either.

And I think if K has problems at this point it isn't what he may or may not have done to Ford.

scottw 10-02-2018 02:13 PM

McConnell should give them another week...the dems look incredibly stupid and they are doing a great job getting out the vote...for the republicans :kewl:

scottw 10-02-2018 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1152488)

I read the one about how Republican identity politics are destroying America. That was a real eye-opener.

.

I didn't think anyone read his posts...let that be a lesson for you...:bl:

Nebe 10-02-2018 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1152492)
McConnell should give them another week...the dems look incredibly stupid and they are doing a great job getting out the vote...for the republicans :kewl:

Actually.. they look pretty smart to me.
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Pete F. 10-02-2018 02:51 PM

A long read by a writer from the Brookings Institute, I would gladly read a considered opinion for why.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...anaugh/571936/

scottw 10-02-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1152494)
Actually.. they look pretty smart to me.
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in that case....2 more weeks....we are going to need to close a lot of bridges if Kavanaugh ends up on the court and the republicans have success in the election.... I'm not sure how the snowflakes will cope

Jim in CT 10-02-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1152489)
I don't see a racial component either.

And I think if K has problems at this point it isn't what he may or may not have done to Ford.

"Just pointing out the lack of diversity (age, sex and race) on the panel"

Who cares? Why does gender and skin color correlate with due process?

"And I think if K has problems at this point it isn't what he may or may not have done to Ford"

I respect you for saying that, and you may well be right.

detbuch 10-02-2018 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1152497)
A long read by a writer from the Brookings Institute, I would gladly read a considered opinion for why.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...anaugh/571936/

A lot of doubts, uncertainty, and questions there. Sounds like the kind of article you really like. Good for him though. He actually was able to squeak out a decision.

Pete F. 10-02-2018 04:34 PM

Upcoming Supreme Court decision
One precedent at risk concerns the Constitution’s double jeopardy clause, which forbids subsequent prosecutions for the same crimes. The Supreme Court has made one exception, saying that the federal government and the states are independent sovereigns, meaning that the same conduct can be prosecuted separately in state and federal courts.

In 2016, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, called for a fresh look at whether the exception makes sense. “The matter warrants attention in a future case in which a defendant faces successive prosecutions by parts of the whole U.S.A.,” she wrote.

The court will consider the question in Gamble v. United States, No. 17-646.

Its answer may have implications for the legal problems faced by associates of Mr. Trump. Should he pardon them for federal crimes, a Supreme Court ruling narrowing the definition of double jeopardy could complicate attempts by state prosecutors to pursue parallel charges.

Jim in CT 10-02-2018 04:41 PM

big scoop in the new york times today, it’s reported that when in college, Kavanaugh threw ice over someone during a bar fight.

Just how pathetic are these people? What’s next, that he said nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah in kindergarten? is this a joke?
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spence 10-02-2018 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1152510)
big scoop in the new york times today, it’s reported that when in college, Kavanaugh threw ice over someone during a bar fight.

Just how pathetic are these people? What’s next, that he said nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah in kindergarten? is this a joke?
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I believe what was reported was that he threw ice starting a bar fight.
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detbuch 10-02-2018 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1152510)
big scoop in the new york times today, it’s reported that when in college, Kavanaugh threw ice over someone during a bar fight.

Just how pathetic are these people? What’s next, that he said nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah in kindergarten? is this a joke?

You mean K was actually in a bar fight. And throwing stuff at people. Sounds like the man has some bonifide stones. Respect.

scottw 10-02-2018 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152512)
You mean K was actually in a bar fight. And throwing stuff at people. Sounds like the man has some bonifide stones. Respect.

I wish he'd punch Blumenthal in the face.....

PaulS 10-02-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152512)
You mean K was actually in a bar fight. And throwing stuff at people. Sounds like the man has some bonifide stones. Respect.

Hiding behind a 6 11, 250 guy? I wouldn't call that having stones.
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PaulS 10-02-2018 06:28 PM

Truth be told he was probably a great athlete and in fantastic shape
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wdmso 10-03-2018 02:14 PM

Trump mocking Brett Kavanaugh accuser at rally


POTUS character assassination.... where lindsey grahams outrage now?

The Dad Fisherman 10-03-2018 02:29 PM

Senator Lindsey Graham has emerged as the most vocal champion of Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination. But on Wednesday, he suggested that President Donald Trump’s recent attacks on Christine Blasey Ford, the judge’s accuser, aren’t useful—though they could, he noted, “be worse.”

“President Trump went through a factual rendition that I didn’t particularly like,” Graham said. “I would tell him, ‘Knock it off. You’re not helping.’”

spence 10-03-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1152576)
Senator Lindsey Graham has emerged as the most vocal champion of Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination. But on Wednesday, he suggested that President Donald Trump’s recent attacks on Christine Blasey Ford, the judge’s accuser, aren’t useful—though they could, he noted, “be worse.”

“President Trump went through a factual rendition that I didn’t particularly like,” Graham said. “I would tell him, ‘Knock it off. You’re not helping.’”

Never in my life or from what I know of history has this country ever seen a president so depraved.

detbuch 10-03-2018 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1152578)
Never in my life or from what I know of history has this country ever seen a president so depraved.

You're version of history is very short.

spence 10-03-2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152583)
You're version of history is very short.

I was going back a few hundred years.

scottw 10-03-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1152578)
Never in my life or from what I know of history has this country ever seen a president so depraved.

and yet he cannot stoop low enough to match the depravity of elected democrats...we're really in a pickle

detbuch 10-03-2018 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1152578)
Never in my life or from what I know of history has this country ever seen a president so depraved.

The thing is, you didn't say "a man so depraved," you said "a President so depraved."

It's even very questionable to say that Trump is the most depraved man who then became President. But how is Trump the most depraved President actually while being President?

Sea Dangles 10-03-2018 06:00 PM

Not to split hairs,but Jeff has an opinion and to him it is valid and meaningful. Personally, the Clinton years make this look like scout camp.
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Ian 10-03-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152586)
The thing is, you didn't say "a man so depraved," you said "a President so depraved."

It's even very questionable to say that Trump is the most depraved man who then became President. But how is Trump the most depraved President actually while being President?

Maybe he meant “a president who is such an outright #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&”

Edit: I mean “butt hole”
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detbuch 10-03-2018 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1152600)
Maybe he meant “a president who is such an outright #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&”

Edit: I mean “butt hole”
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That's possible . . . I'd rather not make an accusation without corroboration.

detbuch 10-03-2018 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1152600)
Maybe he meant “a president who is such an outright #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&”

Edit: I mean “butt hole”

Spence did say "depraved." How's this for a President being depraved, or even a butt hole including when in office:

(From http://www.cracked.com/article_18945...t-mention.html)

Lyndon Johnson Was a Dong-Waving Sex Machine

Lyndon Johnson took over as president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and today most people know him as the president who made Vietnam happen (he being the one who really escalated the conflict). He wasn't terribly popular and had his share of scandals.

That drink in his hand is pretty much straight Everclear.
But at the time, he did have a reputation for getting things done. When he wanted something passed, he'd badger the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of everybody to get it, so much so that people came to call his relentless lobbying "the Johnson Treatment." We bring that up because after reading this, you're going to picture something else entirely anytime someone threatens you with "the Johnson Treatment." Something much worse.

Johnson was a sexual beast, and also fond of (literally) waving his #^&#^&#^&#^& around.

He would often use language like "Ford's economics are the worst thing that's happened to this country since pantyhose ruined finger-#^&#^&#^&#^& [fu...king]"

While other unfaithful presidents were satisfied with little affairs here and there, Johnson's bevy of babes was referred to by his male aides as a harem (he was said to be jealous of Kennedy's womanizing ways and wanted to top him). Johnson would make passes at secretaries, and it was known that any who accepted would be promoted to private secretary, two words that in this context should probably have air quotes around them anytime they are uttered. By the time he was done, virtually all of his secretaries, plus his two mistresses, got the Johnson Treatment.

He then tasked the Secret Service with keeping his philandering from his wife, but it obviously did not do a good job at that. His wife had full knowledge of everything and sometimes even supported it. At parties, he would make obvious passes at girls right in front of his wife. One of the girls who stayed over at his place got awakened in the middle of the night by Johnson holding a flashlight and saying, "Move over. This is your president."

Which goes down in history as the second-greatest pickup line ever, losing just barely to, "Hello, I'm an astronaut."
As for waving around his cock (a little extension of him that he had affectionately nicknamed "Jumbo"), he was said to piss in public whenever he felt like it, and if anyone dared confront him, he would whip his #^&#^&#^&#^& around and challenge the poor sap with, "Have you seen anything bigger than this?"

Ian 10-03-2018 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152605)
Spence did say "depraved." How's this for a President being depraved, or even a butt hole including when in office:

(From http://www.cracked.com/article_18945...t-mention.html)

Lyndon Johnson Was a Dong-Waving Sex Machine

Lyndon Johnson took over as president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and today most people know him as the president who made Vietnam happen (he being the one who really escalated the conflict). He wasn't terribly popular and had his share of scandals.

That drink in his hand is pretty much straight Everclear.
But at the time, he did have a reputation for getting things done. When he wanted something passed, he'd badger the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of everybody to get it, so much so that people came to call his relentless lobbying "the Johnson Treatment." We bring that up because after reading this, you're going to picture something else entirely anytime someone threatens you with "the Johnson Treatment." Something much worse.

Johnson was a sexual beast, and also fond of (literally) waving his #^&#^&#^&#^& around.

He would often use language like "Ford's economics are the worst thing that's happened to this country since pantyhose ruined finger-#^&#^&#^&#^& [fu...king]"

While other unfaithful presidents were satisfied with little affairs here and there, Johnson's bevy of babes was referred to by his male aides as a harem (he was said to be jealous of Kennedy's womanizing ways and wanted to top him). Johnson would make passes at secretaries, and it was known that any who accepted would be promoted to private secretary, two words that in this context should probably have air quotes around them anytime they are uttered. By the time he was done, virtually all of his secretaries, plus his two mistresses, got the Johnson Treatment.

He then tasked the Secret Service with keeping his philandering from his wife, but it obviously did not do a good job at that. His wife had full knowledge of everything and sometimes even supported it. At parties, he would make obvious passes at girls right in front of his wife. One of the girls who stayed over at his place got awakened in the middle of the night by Johnson holding a flashlight and saying, "Move over. This is your president."

Which goes down in history as the second-greatest pickup line ever, losing just barely to, "Hello, I'm an astronaut."
As for waving around his cock (a little extension of him that he had affectionately nicknamed "Jumbo"), he was said to piss in public whenever he felt like it, and if anyone dared confront him, he would whip his #^&#^&#^&#^& around and challenge the poor sap with, "Have you seen anything bigger than this?"

Is this where calling a penis a Johnson came from?
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detbuch 10-04-2018 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1152606)
Is this where calling a penis a Johnson came from?
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:cheers2: :rotf3:

Pete F. 10-04-2018 07:29 AM

I think it's been close to 50 years since I've seen Cracked magazine, perhaps we should check with that other esteemed source, Alfred E. Neuman

detbuch 10-04-2018 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1152618)
I think it's been close to 50 years since I've seen Cracked magazine, perhaps we should check with that other esteemed source, Alfred E. Neuman

If you can't refute the message, kill the messenger. Cracked did not invent those things, they were fairly well known and noted in several other sources.

But anything said about Trump in really solid (sarc) "esteemed" sources like Salon must be believed. Or any uncorroborated accusation about Trump or Trump's associates must be believed.

"Esteemed" is in the eye of the beholder. Much of what is "esteemed" turns out to be bullchit.

Nice to see that you refer to Alfred E. Neuman as an esteemed source. Hey, Mad Magazine is deemed by many to be esteemed.

Pete F. 10-04-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152625)
If you can't refute the message, kill the messenger. Cracked did not invent those things, they were fairly well known and noted in several other sources.

But anything said about Trump in really solid (sarc) "esteemed" sources like Salon must be believed. Or any uncorroborated accusation about Trump or Trump's associates must be believed.

"Esteemed" is in the eye of the beholder. Much of what is "esteemed" turns out to be bullchit.

Nice to see that you refer to Alfred E. Neuman as an esteemed source. Hey, Mad Magazine is deemed by many to be esteemed.

Did I say it was not true?
I grew up with Mad and Cracked magazines, it was always the big decision of which to buy when we went to town from camp to do laundry.
I thought your source was and is funny, it had nothing to do with Don the Con.

detbuch 10-04-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1152629)
Did I say it was not true?
I grew up with Mad and Cracked magazines, it was always the big decision of which to buy when we went to town from camp to do laundry.
I thought your source was and is funny, it had nothing to do with Don the Con.

Cool. Mad mag was great stuff. For me, it was about Don the Con since the point of my post, to which you replied, was to point out that Spence's view that Trump was the most depraved is highly suspect. There's a bunch of depraved, racist, war-mongering, sexist, phobists of all sorts, Presidents that topped what is said about Trump.

Ian 10-04-2018 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1152633)
Cool. Mad mag was great stuff. For me, it was about Don the Con since the point of my post, to which you replied, was to point out that Spence's view that Trump was the most depraved is highly suspect. There's a bunch of depraved, racist, war-mongering, sexist, phobists of all sorts, Presidents that topped what is said about Trump.

It is tough to imagine someone in the 20s not being at least the same if not more sexist/racist/misogynistic... but it should be noted that using US history as a moral barometer might not be the best tool for the job...

I do wonder how Spence’s comment would hold up if he referred to the temperament of the person in office compared to popular culture of that time (think of what everyone is saying about Kavanaugh and the 80s right now.) I’m sure Trump, as a fairly obvious outlier in today’s public society, might win a “most” award there.
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Pete F. 10-04-2018 02:24 PM

Interested to see who spent millions?
Conservatives ahead in spending 2-1 on advertising for Kavanaugh, hours of ad time are close though
https://adage.com/article/campaign-t...tv-ads/315160/

detbuch 10-04-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1152644)
Interested to see who spent millions?
Conservatives ahead in spending 2-1 on advertising for Kavanaugh, hours of ad time are close though
https://adage.com/article/campaign-t...tv-ads/315160/

Maybe those ads influenced the FBI.

Sea Dangles 10-04-2018 03:35 PM

They were tuned in.
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