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Pete F. 01-16-2023 12:50 AM

Spineless Kevin McCarthy just said he will “look at” bringing a vote to expunge Trump’s impeachment.

In case you were wondering who owns him.
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wdmso 01-16-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237535)
Spineless Kevin McCarthy just said he will “look at” bringing a vote to expunge Trump’s impeachment.

In case you were wondering who owns him.
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Facts can’t be erased like pencil marks. Nor can facts magically disappear.

But the Cult will try as hard as they can to re write History

wdmso 01-16-2023 09:06 PM

A group of Republican state legislators in Wyoming have proposed a ban on electric vehicles in the state until 2035 in an attempt to protect the oil and gas industries.

Like I’ve said the party that only looks backwards
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wdmso 01-17-2023 04:14 PM

Jordan: House Subpanel to Probe Treatment of Jan. 6 Defendants

More maga conspiracy omg criminals treated like criminals
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Pete F. 01-18-2023 07:56 AM

Kevin McCarthy
“ House Republicans are on a mission to end wasteful Washington spending.

From now on, if a federal bureaucrat wants to spend it, they have to come before us to defend it.”

For context, roughly 25% of our total national debt incurred over the last 230 years actually occurred during the 4 years of the Trump administration. That's right. 25% of our entire national debt, all during the Trump years.
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Got Stripers 01-18-2023 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237621)
Kevin McCarthy
“ House Republicans are on a mission to end wasteful Washington spending.

From now on, if a federal bureaucrat wants to spend it, they have to come before us to defend it.”

For context, roughly 25% of our total national debt incurred over the last 230 years actually occurred during the 4 years of the Trump administration. That's right. 25% of our entire national debt, all during the Trump years.
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Now wait, Jim claims he despises Trump the man, but loves his policies, so he loves the decisions resulting in that bump in debt?

wdmso 01-18-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1237627)
Now wait, Jim claims he despises Trump the man, but loves his policies, so he loves the decisions resulting in that bump in debt?


Also the debt ceiling was raised 3 times while Trump was in office

Saw this

New species discovered: Republicans who (sometimes) care about deficits

Breaking scientific news: Researchers have identified a previously unknown species in D.C. Like cicadas, this species stays underground for years at a time, typically in four- or eight-year intervals. Its members hide away until there is an auspicious change in the ecosystem. Then, they bust out and wreak havoc.
This species: Republicans who care about deficits.

From 2017 through early 2021, members of the species lay dormant. Coincidentally, though, a nearly identical-looking sister species, Republicans who love debt, ruled Capitol Hill in their stead. With unified control of the House, Senate and White House, these debt-loving Republicans gleefully spilled red ink across the nation’s capital and beyond.
The GOP’s budgetary bloodletting began with a 2017 tax cut that cost $1.8 trillion. Their fiscal rampage then continued over the next few years, mostly on the other side of the ledger. In fact, between 2017 and early 2020, President Donald Trump added roughly as much to deficits through new spending as through tax cuts, appending his signature to more than $2 trillion in unfunded spending program expansions, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

During all that time, there was rarely a peep from the right side of the aisle about deficit concerns. The debt limit — the statutory ceiling on how much the federal government can borrow to pay off its existing bills — was raised several times with little fuss, and no conditions. No one tried to hold it hostage.

Then, the ecosystem changed. Specifically: A Democrat reentered the White House


No one’s is shocked and its not usual the GOP and their supporters suffer from amnesia

PaulS 01-18-2023 09:35 AM

Interesting article:

In his paper “Public Opinion Roots of Election Denialism,” published on Jan. 6, the second anniversary of the storming of the Capitol, Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at M.I.T., argues that “among Republicans, conspiracism has a potent effect on embracing election denialism, followed by racial resentment.”

According to Stewart’s calculations, “a Republican at the 10th percentile of the conspiracism scale has a 55.7 percent probability of embracing election denialism, compared to a Republican at the 90th percentile, at 86.6 percent, over 30 points higher. A Republican at the 10th percentile on the racial resentment scale has a 59.4 percent probability of embracing denialism, compared to 83.2 percent for a Republican at the 90th percentile on the same scale.”

In other words, the two most powerful factors driving Republicans who continue to believe that Trump actually won the 2020 election are receptivity to conspiracy thinking and racial resentment.

“The most confirmed Republican denialists,” Stewart writes, “believe that large malevolent forces are at work in world events, racial minorities are given too much deference in society and America’s destiny is a Christian one.”

Along parallel lines, Neil Siegel, a law professor at Duke, argues in his 2021 article “The Trump Presidency, Racial Realignment and the Future of Constitutional Norms,” that Donald Trump “is more of an effect than a cause of larger racial and cultural changes in American society that are causing Republican voters and politicians to perceive an existential threat to their continued political and cultural power — and, relatedly, to deny the legitimacy of their political opponents.”

In this climate, Siegel continues, “It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms when they deem so much to be at stake in each election and significant governmental decision.”

Jim in CT 01-18-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1237634)
Interesting article:

In his paper “Public Opinion Roots of Election Denialism,” published on Jan. 6, the second anniversary of the storming of the Capitol, Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at M.I.T., argues that “among Republicans, conspiracism has a potent effect on embracing election denialism, followed by racial resentment.”

According to Stewart’s calculations, “a Republican at the 10th percentile of the conspiracism scale has a 55.7 percent probability of embracing election denialism, compared to a Republican at the 90th percentile, at 86.6 percent, over 30 points higher. A Republican at the 10th percentile on the racial resentment scale has a 59.4 percent probability of embracing denialism, compared to 83.2 percent for a Republican at the 90th percentile on the same scale.”

In other words, the two most powerful factors driving Republicans who continue to believe that Trump actually won the 2020 election are receptivity to conspiracy thinking and racial resentment.

“The most confirmed Republican denialists,” Stewart writes, “believe that large malevolent forces are at work in world events, racial minorities are given too much deference in society and America’s destiny is a Christian one.”

Along parallel lines, Neil Siegel, a law professor at Duke, argues in his 2021 article “The Trump Presidency, Racial Realignment and the Future of Constitutional Norms,” that Donald Trump “is more of an effect than a cause of larger racial and cultural changes in American society that are causing Republican voters and politicians to perceive an existential threat to their continued political and cultural power — and, relatedly, to deny the legitimacy of their political opponents.”

In this climate, Siegel continues, “It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms when they deem so much to be at stake in each election and significant governmental decision.”

The current democratic leader in the house, Hakeem Jeffries, repeatedly denied that Trump won in 2016. That didn't stop democrats from making him house minority leader. Doesn't that suggest that your side doesn't actually care about election deniers?

The guys you cite here, interestingly, have absolutely zero to say about that. Same with Stacey Abrams' moronic, self-serving claims. Because it's only concerning when Republicans do it.

"“It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms "

This must explain why red states are rounding up all their political opponents and killing them.

During the pandemic, blue states ordered churches to be closed and allowed anti-police rallies to continue.

For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing. But again, as always, it's only worrisome when republicans do it.

Yes, liberal democrats are much more likely to abide by what the constitution says, than republicans. Republicans are motivated by denying all elections we lose, and by racism. That's it.

the nice thing about truly demonizing your opposition, is that when you occasionally lose elections, you can always blame the other side. Nothing is ever your fault when the other side are a bunch of deplorable, racist, hate mongering barbarians. as long as you oppose them, you must be on the correct side of every single
issue.

That’s a lot easier than explaining why tax and spend economics like we enjoy here in CT is good policy, easier than defending the idea that living babies post birth, still are not human beings. Easier than explaining why it’s not discriminatory to have higher admissions standards for Asian Americans at Ivy League colleges. Easier than explaining why there’s no downside to letting men share bathrooms and locker rooms with girls. Easier than defending the brilliant idea that the solution to crime, is less police. Just smear the other side rather than defending your own platform. Makes life a lot easier.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237635)
The current democratic leader in the house, Hakeem Jeffries, repeatedly denied that Trump won in 2016. That didn't stop democrats from making him house minority leader. Doesn't that suggest that your side doesn't actually care about election deniers?

The guys you cite here, interestingly, have absolutely zero to say about that. Same with Stacey Abrams' moronic, self-serving claims. Because it's only concerning when Republicans do it.

"“It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms "

This must explain why red states are rounding up all their political opponents and killing them.

During the pandemic, blue states ordered churches to be closed and allowed anti-police rallies to continue.

For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing. But again, as always, it's only worrisome when republicans do it.

Yes, liberal democrats are much more likely to abide by what the constitution says, than republicans. Republicans are motivated by denying all elections we lose, and by racism. That's it.

Jim have you ever looked at a picture of Republicans?

ELAINE CHAO GOES AFTER TRUMP’S COVID FAILURES, SAYING THAT HAD HE FOCUSSED ON VACCINATIONS RATHER THAN “KIM JONG’S SCHLONG” MAYBE A MILLION AMERICANS WOULD NOT HAVE DIED.

None of the people you cite called for their supporters to storm the Capitol, Donald Trump refused to accept no for an answer from the American people.
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PaulS 01-18-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237635)
The current democratic leader in the house, Hakeem Jeffries, repeatedly denied that Trump won in 2016. That didn't stop democrats from making him house minority leader. Doesn't that suggest that your side doesn't actually care about election deniers?

The guys you cite here, interestingly, have absolutely zero to say about that. Same with Stacey Abrams' moronic, self-serving claims. Because it's only concerning when Republicans do it.

What exactly did Jeffries do?

He sent out tweets, is there anything else that threatened democracy in our country that he did?

Who is Stacey Abrams and what exactly did she do?

Got Stripers 01-18-2023 10:49 AM

Hey Jim is running out of hits, this has potential to get enough play to make it to the play list.

PaulS 01-18-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237635)


For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing. But again, as always, it's only worrisome when republicans do it.

Ok. 2 easy ones to start

What D. Pres. denied the election results and lead an insurrection?
Pls. show me a list of 147 Ds. who failed to certify a presidential election?

Jim in CT 01-18-2023 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1237645)
Ok. 2 easy ones to start

What D. Pres. denied the election results and lead an insurrection?
Pls. show me a list of 147 Ds. who failed to certify a presidential election?

paul, hers another easy one.

republicans want to ignore race because ones race doesn’t say anything about them. no more than one height says anything about them.

democrats are obsessed with it.

Got Stripers 01-18-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237646)
paul, hers another easy one.

republicans want to ignore race because ones race doesn’t say anything about them. no more than one height says anything about them.

democrats are obsessed with it.

Oh now that's a funny post.

Jim in CT 01-18-2023 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1237645)
Ok. 2 easy ones to start

What D. Pres. denied the election results and lead an insurrection?
Pls. show me a list of 147 Ds. who failed to certify a presidential election?

oh, i see! So it’s only bad when presidents deny an election result! but it’s ok when congressional leaders and gubernatorial candidates do so!

and when a small number of congressional democrats tried to overturn trumps 2016 win, that was meaningless, because there weren’t 147 of them!

the only conceivable logic, is that you don’t care when democrats do it, and care deeply when republicans do it.

tell us paul, how many prominent members of a party can deny an election they lost, before it’s an issue with you? And how did you arrive at that number?

Same as the number of times it’s ok to put kids in cages, the number of lies it’s ok to tell..

it’s always ok when democrats do it!!!

PaulS 01-18-2023 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237646)
paul, hers another easy one.

republicans want to ignore race because ones race doesn’t say anything about them. no more than one height says anything about them.

democrats are obsessed with it.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237648)
oh, i see! So it’s only bad when presidents deny an election result! but it’s ok when congressional leaders and gubernatorial candidates do so!but you said "For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing"

and when a small number of congressional democrats tried to overturn trumps 2016 win, that was meaningless, because there weren’t 147 of them!

the only conceivable logic, is that you don’t care when democrats do it, and care deeply when republicans do it.

2 dodges.

Going for a bike ride.

Jim in CT 01-18-2023 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1237649)
2 dodges.

Going for a bike ride.

Zero dodges. No 2 events are identical. I can point to many prominent democrats who deny elections, but you (like wayne) will focus on details. If the democrat does something on a tuesday, you can't compare it to a republican who does something on a wednesday, things like that.

You all get worked up about republicans who denied the 2020 election (which I also find troubling and embarassing). But none of you care that democrats denied the election is 2016, and a small number tried overturn it.

I said I could point to democrats doing the same thing, i didn't say democrats who are identical to the republican you bring up,

While you're on your ride, try to come up with a defensible number for how many people must deny an election before you start to give a crap.

PaulS 01-18-2023 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237650)
Zero dodges. No 2 events are identical. I can point to many prominent democrats who deny elections, but you (like wayne) will focus on details. If the democrat does something on a tuesday, you can't compare it to a republican who does something on a wednesday, things like that.Right Jeffries tweeting something is the same as 147 Rs refusing to certify an election.

You all get worked up about republicans who denied the 2020 election (which I also find troubling and embarassing). But none of you care that democrats denied the election is 2016, and a small number tried overturn it.

I said I could point to democrats doing the same thing, i didn't say democrats who are identical to the republican you bring up,

While you're on your ride, try to come up with a defensible number for how many people must deny an election before you start to give a crap.

For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing.

There is your statement yet you didn't do that.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237646)
paul, hers another easy one.

republicans want to ignore race because ones race doesn’t say anything about them. no more than one height says anything about them.

democrats are obsessed with it.

As I said you obviously have never seen a picture of Republicans.

If being short doesn’t matter, explain Gym Jordan.

And it’s probably a good time to remind you that another name for “Critical Race Theory” is “Actual American History”.
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detbuch 01-18-2023 01:44 PM

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And it’s probably a good time to remind you that another name for “Critical Race Theory” is “Actual American History”.
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Another name for it is bull$hit.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 01:58 PM

Just remember that our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles of racial supremacy.
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detbuch 01-18-2023 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237662)
Just remember that our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles of racial supremacy.
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No . . . there was a lot of genocide going on in the "original" American continents before our nation was born. As was the case in the rest of the world. Our nation evolved from all of that and has become one of the most diverse and egalitarian ones.

But you would like us to slide back into a censorial and discriminatory one.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1237665)
No . . . there was a lot of genocide going on in the "original" American continents before our nation was born. As was the case in the rest of the world. Our nation evolved from all of that and has become one of the most diverse and egalitarian ones.

But you would like us to slide back into a censorial and discriminatory one.

Relax, crappie fisherman. The migrant caravan will get here and teach your kids CRT before they take your gas stove.
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detbuch 01-18-2023 02:43 PM

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Relax, crappie fisherman. The migrant caravan will get here and teach your kids CRT before they take your gas stove.
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Thanks for the heads up. Your lying words are golden.

wdmso 01-18-2023 03:56 PM

Our nation evolved from all of that and has become one of the most diverse and egalitarian ones.

And that upsets conservatives all over the United States and the globe

Who yearn for the days of good old colonialism. Where non Christians whites new their place in the world order
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detbuch 01-18-2023 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1237679)
Our nation evolved from all of that and has become one of the most diverse and egalitarian ones.

True

And that upsets conservatives all over the United States

Not true

and the globe

Globalism is bad . . . eff globalism.

Who yearn for the days of good old colonialism. Where non Christians whites new their place in the world order
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Who yearn? Yeah, some like PeteF and BLM and CRT want to put whites in their place . . . and that "world order" thingy . . . that's kinda that neo-leftist, Progressive, centralized, global governance that puts everone in their equally insignifcant place.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1237686)
Who yearn? Yeah, some like PeteF and BLM and CRT want to put whites in their place . . . and that "world order" thingy . . . that's kinda that neo-leftist, Progressive, centralized, global governance that puts everone in their equally insignifcant place.

Rule no. 1: MAGAs are always the victims. Everything is unfair to them
Rule no. 2: The person responsible for the unfair treatment of MAGAs is never a white man. Except for Joe Biden who’s secretly controlled by a Jewish billionaire, China, or a black man
Rule no. 3: Refer to 1&2
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detbuch 01-18-2023 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237697)
Rule no. 1: MAGAs are always the victims. Everything is unfair to them
Rule no. 2: The person responsible for the unfair treatment of MAGAs is never a white man. Except for Joe Biden who’s secretly controlled by a Jewish billionaire, China, or a black man
Rule no. 3: Refer to 1&2
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Some pretty good rules.

Pete F. 01-18-2023 09:21 PM

Typical House Republican learning of George Santos's past:

"Bit of a grifter? Who isn't?"

"Resume padder? Who doesn't?"

"Fake college degrees? Who cares?"

"Sudden riches from dubious sources? Good for him!"

"Ex-drag performer? WHAAATTT? Corrupting the youth! Get rid of him!"
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Pete F. 01-19-2023 12:22 AM

Now Republicans are trying to pass a 30% national sales tax on Americans. Because they’re really focused on fighting inflation or something.
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wdmso 01-19-2023 08:50 AM

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Now Republicans are trying to pass a 30% national sales tax on Americans. Because they’re really focused on fighting inflation or something.
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If you don’t want to pay a tax, don’t buy it. It’s as simple as that,” Carter told

Federal Reserve data indicates that as of Q4 2021, the top 1% of households in the United States held 32.3% of the country's wealth, while the bottom 50% held 2.6%. In recent decades, wealth inequality has substantially increased in the United States.

Yep GOP followers not understanding that they and the majority of Americans are the people who buy like 99% of the goods and services


What’s crazy why are they giving the crazy’s a soap box to even stand on.. They will complain when 6 year olds all get a participation trophy.

Yet Republicans are doing the same thing but giving up the house floor

Kevin has just gave up any lLegitimacy and seriousness the house had
All so he can say he’s speaker ..

He put himself before the country . Using the usual GOP rhetoric like freedom radical left fiscal responsibility. And the base of the Republican Party are alike Lemmings Kevin’s right behind Trump

PaulS 01-19-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237704)
Now Republicans are trying to pass a 30% national sales tax on Americans. Because they’re really focused on fighting inflation or something.
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Why not? It is a good way to capture taxes from the poor who spend all their money. They should lift themselves up by the bootstraps and make enough so that they have money they can put away that won't be taxed and then can buy income producing properties or invest in companies.

Jim in CT 01-19-2023 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237704)
Now Republicans are trying to pass a 30% national sales tax on Americans. Because they’re really focused on fighting inflation or something.
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oh pete. You conveniently left out the part that their plan also eliminates the federal income tax. How come you left that part out?

Do you have the facts to show that eliminating the income
tax and replacing it with a sales tax, would cause more inflation? The cost of goods would go up obviously, but wouldn’t that be at least partially offset by the elimination of the income tax?

the gop proposed it, therefore it must be stupid, and probably diabolical.

TN is a very popular and booming state, it has no state income tax but a hefty sales tax. That policy hasn’t resulted in a cost of living that keeps people from moving there in huge numbers.

doesn’t mean it’s smart national policy, it’s very radical. . But you left out a big , big component of the proposal.

Jim in CT 01-19-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1237705)
If you don’t want to pay a tax, don’t buy it. It’s as simple as that,” Carter told

Federal Reserve data indicates that as of Q4 2021, the top 1% of households in the United States held 32.3% of the country's wealth, while the bottom 50% held 2.6%. In recent decades, wealth inequality has substantially increased in the United States.

Yep GOP followers not understanding that they and the majority of Americans are the people who buy like 99% of the goods and services


What’s crazy why are they giving the crazy’s a soap box to even stand on.. They will complain when 6 year olds all get a participation trophy.

Yet Republicans are doing the same thing but giving up the house floor

Kevin has just gave up any lLegitimacy and seriousness the house had
All so he can say he’s speaker ..

He put himself before the country . Using the usual GOP rhetoric like freedom radical left fiscal responsibility. And the base of the Republican Party are alike Lemmings Kevin’s right behind Trump

wayne, here we see data that shows that for tax year 2020, the top 1% had 22% of total national income, yet paid 42% of the total national federal income tax.

In other words,,their share of the national tax burden was just about twice as large as their share of national income.

The tax code can likely be tweaked to make it more fair. But it’s already very, very progressive. Trump increased the number of people
at the bottom who pay nothing, by doubling the standard deduction. You should celebrate that. but we know why you won’t.

https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-p...s-income-taxes

in a growing economy, wealth inequality has to increase, because the wealthy have more to invest. You can’t prevent that, and there’s no sane reason to try. would you support a law that makes it illegal to work or invest after someone becomes a billionaire?

one persons wealth, doesn’t hurt anyone else, assuming they didn’t steal it. the liberal fixation of the wealthy, who today are mostly liberals.

The democrats ran the show for two years, how come they didn’t do anything to fix it?

PaulS 01-19-2023 12:55 PM

There is always going to be wealth inequality in a capitalist society. A 30% sales tax will make it worse and only benefit the rich.

Pete F. 01-19-2023 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237710)
wayne, here we see data that shows that for tax year 2020, the top 1% had 22% of total national income, yet paid 42% of the total national federal income tax.

In other words,,their share of the national tax burden was just about twice as large as their share of national income.

The tax code can likely be tweaked to make it more fair. But it’s already very, very progressive. Trump increased the number of people
at the bottom who pay nothing, by doubling the standard deduction. You should celebrate that. but we know why you won’t.

https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-p...s-income-taxes

in a growing economy, wealth inequality has to increase, because the wealthy have more to invest. You can’t prevent that, and there’s no sane reason to try. would you support a law that makes it illegal to work or invest after someone becomes a billionaire?

one persons wealth, doesn’t hurt anyone else, assuming they didn’t steal it. the liberal fixation of the wealthy, who today are mostly liberals.

The democrats ran the show for two years, how come they didn’t do anything to fix it?

Jim,
The data presented by NTU shows the increase in wealth inequality since the Reagan administration.
Carried to the logical conclusion of your theory that wealth inequality has to increase, we all end up as serfs, living in homes owned by
the wealthiest and with no opportunity to escape.
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Jim in CT 01-19-2023 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1237716)
There is always going to be wealth inequality in a capitalist society. A 30% sales tax will make it worse and only benefit the rich.

if you taxed luxury items and didn’t tax some things that poor folks predominantly buy, it wouldn’t make it worse.

in any event, it sounds like a radical, stupid idea.

Jim in CT 01-19-2023 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1237719)
Jim,
The data presented by NTU shows the increase in wealth inequality since the Reagan administration.
Carried to the logical conclusion of your theory that wealth inequality has to increase, we all end up as serfs, living in homes owned by
the wealthiest and with no opportunity to escape.
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the point of the data i posted, is that the top 1% pay a share of income tax that’s twice as large as their proportion of income. Which means, our tax system is very progressive

Wealthy people getting wealthier, does not make anyone else a surf. Wealth is not finite. If Jeff Bezos earns another million this afternoon, that doesn’t mean there’s a million less for
me and you to scrounge for. it has zero impact on me and you, other than it probably decreases our tax burden.

here, you’re saying wealth is bad. but in other posts, you brag that the wealthiest people are mostly democrats.

So which is it?

One persons wealth, doesn’t cause another persons poverty. It’s not a zero sum game.

Every single one of us, knows people who started out poor and got rich.

wdmso 01-19-2023 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1237710)
wayne, here we see data that shows that for tax year 2020, the top 1% had 22% of total national income, yet paid 42% of the total national federal income tax.

In other words,,their share of the national tax burden was just about twice as large as their share of national income.

The tax code can likely be tweaked to make it more fair. But it’s already very, very progressive. Trump increased the number of people
at the bottom who pay nothing, by doubling the standard deduction. You should celebrate that. but we know why you won’t.

https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-p...s-income-taxes

in a growing economy, wealth inequality has to increase, because the wealthy have more to invest. You can’t prevent that, and there’s no sane reason to try. would you support a law that makes it illegal to work or invest after someone becomes a billionaire?

one persons wealth, doesn’t hurt anyone else, assuming they didn’t steal it. the liberal fixation of the wealthy, who today are mostly liberals.

The democrats ran the show for two years, how come they didn’t do anything to fix it?

yet the 1% paid 42% of the total national federal income tax.

that you claim republicans want to eliminate and replace with a 30% sales tax

I am no mathematician but I don’t see how they could fund just the military with their plan

Jim’s another republican supporting the wealthy blindly in hope he’ll be rich someday

FYI Jim not paying your taxes is stealing… if those in government allow a system to benefit donors who argue those tax laws allow them to hire and re invest
But they do neither . It’s stealing


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