did he say CRAZY BUGGER :hidin:

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

Because when you say it, its more of an Attack and it seems full of hate. You call people Idiots and Morons. And if someone doesn't see it your way you immediately label them as "Lefty's"

You take peoples words and totally distort them. All Skitterpop asked was how this whole Isreal-Palestine Confrontation was going to effect the World we Live in and mentioned how the US had probably given Isreal the Green Light on this and you turned it around and Labeled him A friend of Palestine and a Terrorist Sympathiser.

If you want people to take you seriously you need to "CHILL The F Out" and stop being so "in your face" on everything. You may actually get somewhere with the Point your trying to make instead of immediately putting people on the defensive. Once you start Labeling People and Name-calling you immediately get the word "Nut" Stamped on your forehead for the rest of the thread and no-one takes you seriously.

And before you label me a Terrorist Sympathiser I believe Hezbollah, Hamas, The PLO, Al-Quaida, The IRA, The KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood and any other organization that Peddles Hate should be wiped out.

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

If my memory of the history is right, we didn't even provide much if any aid in the '47 war. Israel was able to defend herself just fine by smuggling arms through Eastern Europe, and fighting like hell.

Remember as well that a lot of the "billions" people talk about was part of a joint settlement with Egypt, and we have been throwing them money as well.

In a way I think we've done Israel a great disservice by protecting them from UN condemnation over the years...it's created a tremendous amount of animosity towards both the US and Israel, contributed greatly to 9/11 and has prevented, I believe, Israel from gaining needed legitimacy in the region.

Instead of being seen as strong when they indeed have been very strong, they are seen as a protected son who can do no wrong...

-spence

Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.

Wrong...back later :cheers:

Hey when people make crazy and wild statements i call them out, just the way it is. If you cant cant deal then to bad. Have you seen the crap people have said about me!? Deal with it, who cares. I could care less what people say about me. I laugh it off and make my point.

But i'm glad to see your coming around with your above statement. There's hope for you after all :tooth:

No, what you're doing is applying caveman logic to a very nuanced situation and stating without question that anyone who doesn't share your overly simplistic view is aligned with the enemy.

It's the exact same bull%$%$%$%$ that Bush has used to divide the country, and it's pathetic.

-spence

No Coming Around here, I've always had issue w/ Hate-based organizations.....So don't think you've influenced me one way or the other on that.

You asked why People thought you were a nut...I merely answered it. And seeing what your reply to it was......I can see it went in one ear and out the other.

So i'm considered a nut for spporting Israel, yet when some REAL nuts come on here and try spewing some 9/11 consiracy theries they get a free pass. God i love this site! They get a free pass, but im the nut! God i just love it.

You must feel like %$%$%$%$ knowing you agree with me on the Israel issue! :laugha: Welcome to the nut club buddy.

In No Way, Shape, or Form would I ever belong to a club that has you as its President.

There is just something Not Firing.

Yet another useless post...but thats your specialty, you never have anything to offer.

Let me know when your brain turns on and you can add something to a debate, ok?

Let me know when you're ready to debate instead of trading insults. It's too hot for me to edit everything. Tone down the personal back and forth and stick to the issues. TDF is trying to get you to see that the message tends to get lost in the messenger's tone. If you want to be taken seriously, lay off questioning the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you.

Israel is eager to teach its next generation so they're ready when they start it now.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/0...-to-arab-kids/

No, you're a nut for labeling anyone who embraces a more objective viewpoint as sympathetic to terrorisim.

-spence

It's a part of the Jewish culture...learned this when I attended my first Seder...

Seems a bit odd for a gentile like me, but then my family tree has been a cakewalk by comparrison...never had to worry about preservation of the Anglicans!

I didn't look at that link BTW, so please don't take my comments in context.

-spence

read all the following commentary. As I said in the other post, i have NO problem with that. Bombs are for killing, the target is the enemy, I hope they find their mark. These kids live with this everyday.

If this was a war with mexico and teh US and we were 7,8 yrs old. We'd be doing the same thing.

If you lived in Texas, in a trailer, with 12 broken down cars in your front yard, couldn't pass the GED, and found sheep attractive you'd be correct.

I guess I dont understand.
Only dumb hicks want their country to be succesful?

Only dumb hicks find children writing on bombs being an "ok thing" to do.

I guess I am a dumb hick.

But children suicide bombers are bad.
Because they are the "enemy".

the target for those shells are Hezzbollah's stockpile of rockets.
Suicide bombers target civilian targets. :rollem:

Israeli bombs are killing civilians too!

"they do it too" dosen't cut it.

Neither is right.

Nope but their parents sure as Hell are. Unless you don't consider Terrorists the "enemy".

Yeah I guess those trailer people don't matter much anyway's, probably voted for Bush.

So where's the outcry of the required military service of the Israelis?
They're forcing their children to go to war too.

So your comparing military service with Terrorism?

When they're rolling tanks over people in the Gaza Strip, yes.

Forced to blow people up as suicide bombers and delivering truck bombs -> terrorism.
Forced to blow people up and roll over civilians with tanks in search of 1 or 2 "terrorists" -> terrorism.

The terrorists didn't do this to the Gaza Strip, the Israelis did, in search of terrorists:

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/H.../AlToufah2.jpg

Even if those 1or 2 Terrorists may be responsible for the deaths of hundreds maybe thousands of your people and will continue to do so if not killed, and, then choose to hide behind innocent civilians for protection from those who they attack and kill at will?

Personally I would be more prepared to see the one's who choose to hide behind civilians as terrorists and the ones pursuing them acting in self defense.

I really like your cute use of "quotation" marks when using the word Terrorist. Kind of gives me the feeling you don't really beleive in the use of the word.

[QUOTE=likwid]When they're rolling tanks over people in the Gaza Strip, yes.

Forced to blow people up as suicide bombers and delivering truck bombs -> terrorism.
Forced to blow people up and roll over civilians with tanks in search of 1 or 2 "terrorists" -> terrorism.

The terrorists didn't do this to the Gaza Strip, the Israelis did, in search of terrorists:

Want to see pictures of the aftermath of a Bus Bombing in Tel Aviv? Israeli's didn't do it, Terrorists did in search of killing civilians.

Give the land back to the Palestinians and there will be no terrorism in Isreal.

Neither. Of. Them. Are. Right.

Children writing on bombs is not right.
Children being forced to blow people up is not right.
People blowing up buses is not right.
People rolling over civilians in tanks is not right.

Not according to the Koran.

I don't think a majority of the Palestinians care what you think Fox News told you.

I'm sure the majority would be more than happy with their farm land back.

But its all condos and home complexes that look like mid Michigan so... bleh.

I don't watch Fox News. Nice Left wing chant though.

CNN, whatever you wanna watch.
The reality of it is they're en mass shelling people to hunt down what? a few thousand out of what? 500,000?

Its like blowing up your house to kill a mouse.

I think very little terrorisim in Palestine is motivated by the Koran.

The notion of what constitutes terrorisim is very relative to your frame of reference, but from our perspective it generally indicates the intentional and random targeting of civilians in an attempt to propagate fear.

I wouldn't consider the consisant over application of force by the IDF, or actions like the razing of homes to be terrorisim per say....oppression perhaps in some instances, but not terrorisim.

Given that some of the Israeli violence is certainly justified, yet some appears to be way over the top just adds to a rather unique and dysfunctional situation.

-spence

For the love of Allah you must call yourself out on a rabid basis :usd:

And.......thank God there is a p nut butter wth your name that is not too bad :cheers: