Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1146841)

A) did you read what the comment was in response too.
B) I’m far removed from his “Base”. I didn’t vote for the man, or the woman for that matter.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146876)

The significant election meddling wasn't even brought to Obama's attention until the summer of 2016. It's not like they have real-time visibility into everything that's going on and it's not like there was no response. Obama did choose to delay some of the response until after the election to not create an even bigger election issue. Neither option was ideal so they drew a moderate line. I don't have an issue with that.

Regardless, what's even the point? Much larger issue is we have a national security apparatus insisting Russia will do it again and a POTUS who still denies it ever occurred.

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146887)

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146894)

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1146829)

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC :shocked:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1146869)

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1146903)

I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions.

Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1146903)

I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo ;). Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146908)

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146908)

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146909)

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1146912)

It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146917)

No




And, no.


Actually you are correct, the people that write the history books
tend to be pretty left leaning.

We need real, irrefutable evidence of RUS smothering DJT. The bar must be high

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146918)

PS

Most things you see now be VERY suspicious of - NOW is the time that both sides will be hammered by RUS meme engines and bots.

Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1146920)

Pretty sure it is coming. Once we get the dirt from Flynn and Cohen, it will be crystal clear.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146921)

Do you think Mueller's team is being hypnotized by memes?

What's known already is pretty damning. Two credible threads of collusion (one proven) and it's looking like three separate lines of meddling with the social media campaign, DNC hack and now the NRA money scheme.

It's like the house is burning down and some are wondering if they smell smoke.

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146925)

Two credible threads? Name one. RUS influence measures during the campaign is not something Mueller can crush Trump on. It is a big problem but you need proof Trump did it - irrefutable proof.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146934)

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqDmTftW94&t=2692s

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146936)

In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[19][20][21] In the open letter, the group said:

[A]ccusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[20]

guess Russia never invade they did

Binney claims the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false, and that the DNC e-mails were leaked by an insider instead

On January 23, 2018, Binney made an appearance on the Infowars During the show, host Alex Jones announced that Binney had been able to provide him with the actual memo, and the purported leaked document was shown on air.[27] However, this was in fact a public document that had been available on the website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence since at least May 2017.

should we take him seriously no but some one has

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146941)

Did you watch the video?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146944)

If it’s on video that makes it true
Next you’ll be saying the twin towers was fake
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146948)

The world is fixated on this outrageous circus event while the gop quietly plods on... systematicly taking apart everything that was put into place to protect us from pollution, Corperate greed, human rights, reproductive rights and public education. Wake up people

But her emails!!!!!
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146950)

What you call corporate greed will find ways to make profits off of products and systems that protect us from pollution. And all those other things as well. As long as we are able to protect and promote some form of free market, you won't have to worry about your pet rights disappearing. And free market competition will create constant innovation to make it cheaper and better.

On the other hand, if government bureaucratic geniuses regulate how, what, when, where and how much, in crony partnership with "greedy" corporations, costs will go up, innovation will go down, and we will need government assistance to pay for it all.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146934)

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146948)

The world is fixated on this outrageous circus event while the gop quietly plods on... systematicly taking apart everything that was put into place to protect us from pollution, Corperate greed, human rights, reproductive rights and public education. Wake up people

But her emails!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1146960)

pollution- us led the world in decrease of carbon emissions last year.

Emissions were on the decline long before Trump took office and while I know global warming to Trump and many is just another hoax, it's a problem that this administration and the next half dozen must take seriously. Pulling out of treaties helping reduce emissions helps our future generations how?

corporate greed - has always existed, yet right now unemployment is very low, and take home pay for folks is up thanks to tax cuts.

Stay tuned. If you think Trump pulling the US back into onto Trump island is a good thing for the long term economy, well I hope your not willing to bet your 401K on it. America first may make a catchy campaign slogan, but we need our allies and trading partners to make not only our economy work, but the global economy and well being a well.

human rights - are being trampled how, exactly?

Probably better in a separate thread.

reproductive rights - just say abortion, why do you have to use a sanitizing euphemism? if you are embarrassed to say it, why do you support it?

All for choice and even if the next justice is confirmed, I can't see Row vs Wade being overturned. I've known two women date raped in their youth, choice allowed them to have a life and a college education.

public education- we spend TONS on public education. the problem is we spend on teachers pensions, which does nothing to help kids. that and crappy parents. that’s trumps fault? or the gop?
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