Agree - mainly bc I went there also. I don't know that we had "poor" kids. Prob. blue collar. Most teachers (public and private) have summer jobs in the summer. Atleast the younger ones.

You went to ND? Great! I liked it there. We had plenty of poor kids when I was there. Not abject poverty, but not middle class either.

Paul, can you explain how the public schools are made worse, if the few kids who actually want to learn, are sent somewhere where they can learn?

You're saying you're willing to punish those few heroic families, for what, exactly? What's the upside of forcing those kids to remain where they are? It keeps some more public teachers employed (which is a big reason why liberals oppose school choice), but what's the point of education? To give children the best chance of realizing their dreams? Or something else?

The troublemakers left behind in public school, obviously won't care if a few dedicated students leave.

So who does it hurt, and how does it hurt them, to send those few kids to a better school?

Yes, ND

I think is skims some of the cream of crop off. The kids who demonstrate all the things that people want their kids to be (polite, hard working, etc).

Someone who would bring a gun to school isn't going to get anything from those kids but maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them.

I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools. And that has nothing to do w/teachers or unions.

Edit: I also feel that citizens are providing an education to the students they shouldn't have to subsidize an "alternative" education. Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else.

Mississippi First State to Declare It Will Tax Forgiven Student Loan Debt

what cry babies

Georgians can now claim an "unborn child" as a dependent on their state taxes, the state's Department of Revenue announced this week.

Maga logic hard at work

"maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them"

you're saying maybe. You'd deny these kids a better shot at escaping poverty, because "maybe" some kids left behind will miss them? The kids who are trying against all odds to succeed, it's THEIR responsibility to stay behind so that "maybe" some other kids look up to them?

"I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools."

But you won't specify why it's better, other than to say "maybe" there are kids left behind who will miss them. Isn't that kind of a thin reason?

"Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else"

This, isn't that. I'm talking about kids who are stuck in the worst schools in the country, not pulling a kid out of West Hartford public schools and sending them to the Juliard school of music.

Kids get pulled out of public schools regularly, when the public school isn't a good fit, if the kid isn't behaving, if the kid is being bullied, etc...

And I'm talking about situations where the private school isn't only far better, but is often far cheaper.

SO again, with due respect, you're basing your opposition to school choice, on the "maybe" that kids behind might miss the kids who leave. That really outweighs the incredible potential benefit to the kids whod leave?

Finally, if the left is opposed to using taxpayer money to fund private education, please explain why student loan forgiveness isn't limited to those who went to public universities. Isn't that a massive public subsidization of private school costs for those who chose to go there? Come on, Paul.

Many cities have public magnet and charter schools, which also take the cream of the crop out of horrible public schools. Are you opposed to this?

For the green, for the green, for the green fight fight!

Keep bleating what you hear on CNN, big guy.

I thought you liberals were opposed to tax breaks for the wealthy? I guess only sometimes (only when it suits your political agenda).

Plumbers paying off student loans for families making $250,000 a year. And remember, that's taxable income of 250k a year (after deductions). So their gross income could easily much higher if they have a lot of deductions.

But this transfer of wealth from the poor to the wealthy helps recent college grads and really helps universities, those are reliable voting blocks for the left. But that's just a pure coincidence.

Yes, it sucks for some people in "poorer" areas. We do the best we can (and we can and should do better).

I live in damn nice (expensive) town. There are certain things my town doesn't have the other nicer (more expensive for the most part) towns have. lt is a function of my income (and were I want/have to live). The state gives my town $. We get more than Bridgeport but less than Greenwich. Not complaining but that is the way it is.

i get that’s there’s inequality. but here’s a way to address it in a way that could actually save money while improving education. And i still don’t get specifically why you oppose it, other than it might make some kids sad who’s miss the kids who leave. so should we tell upperclassmen who are role models to freshman, that they can’t go away to college because it make make the school worse if they leave? you basically said that if a kid is an asset to his current lousy school, that’s a reason why he should
be forced to stay there instead of going someplace better.

There is an interesting video from project veritas it’s with a Connecticut vice principal
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my state senator and i just spoke about that video. Assistant principal at a public school
on tape saying that he won’t hire catholic applicants for teaching jobs ( nothing illegal about that!) , and very specifically says that the curriculum is designed to ensure that students eventually become democrats.

But there’s no liberal bias in education.

He’ll probably get promoted.

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its a good one :jester:

I taught in West Haven and was completely surrounded by people
exactly like this jerk. no one who works in any public school would be surprised. They’ll sacrifice this guy, act like the problem is solved ( even though he said he has a staff of teachers indoctrinating kids) and replace him with someone who thinks exactly the same way but smart enough not to get caught.

This is exactly why my three are in catholic school, this is absolutely everywhere.

i hope every catholic who has ever applied for a job there sues for millions.

project veritas

Not really Shocking what you 2 sheep use to support your views

the conservative organization delights in embarrassing liberals and taunting the press with quick-cut video exposés that critics say often rely on recordings that are manipulated or presented out of context.

Project Veritas was recently implicated by federal prosecutors in the theft of a diary belonging to the daughter of President Joe Biden, according to The New York Times. Authorities executed a search warrant at the homes of several Project Veritas employees, including O’Keefe, the Times reported.

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project veritas is to be questioned, that’s fair. that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of getting one right.

Let’s see how it plays out. news says this guy has been placed on leave already, and schools don’t do that without a darn good reason.

I’ve taught, i’m assuming you haven’t. This is what happens in many many parts of academia. I am sorry to break it to you, but not every single story that paints the left in a negative light, is false.

If this guy meant what he said, is it newsworthy? i know you’d gleefully report if a republican city councilman in Boise Idaho had an overdue library book, well sometimes the left is bad enough in ways that are actually worth discussing too.

If your central nervous system can’t handle a discussion of a democrat behaving inappropriately, that’s your issue, nobody else’s.

clearly....look at his reaction...:spin:

hey....when was the last time the FBI raided and searched someone's home or property because they believed a diary had been stolen?

Maybe there were nuclear secrets in there???? :btu:

and i’m a sheep for posting something from project veritas, but his source in the diary scoop is the New York Times, who always play it right down the middle and never let politics influence what gets printed. Never.

PS wayne, isn’t it whatabout-ism when you change the subject like that? of only when a republican does it?

have fun explaining that.

TDF

My family gets nice thank you notes from recipients when our church scholarships are announced every year. I wonder if the private school students who I would be subsidizing would also send me thank you notes?

Way to feed the stereotype that “Liberals have no sense of humor”

Just lightening the mood
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It was a serious question.

I know, my post wasn’t
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probably not....probably as ungrateful as the failing red states you support with your incredible generosity...

They should say thank you. imagine how much worse of a "sh ithole" to use a term our ex Pres. threw around they would be w/o all the help of the blue states.

Republicans are readying lawsuits to block Biden’s student debt plan

Cry babies
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on school choice, you said it’s wrong for taxpayers to subsidize sending other kids to private schools. Please explain how the student loan forgiveness, which you support, isn’t the same thing?

Can’t wait.

yes we are cry babies. liberals never ever protest when they don’t get their way.

sadly jim you don't understand the difference between a protest .

And Republicans being but hurt and filling a lawsuit just because Biden kept his campaign promise


wasn't one of your favorite lines elections have consequences or only when
republicans win?

Hold on...you're saying that when taxpayers pay off student loan debt, that' snot subsidizing private education for others? So if a kid gets $20,000 wiped off his student loan to Yale, and we have to pay for that, how is that not using taxpayer money to subsidize others getting a private education?

You can't just say "it's not the same". Please be specific.

They're not "the same" but for sure they are both ideas where we use taxpayer money to subsidize others going to private school. Unless the student loan forgiveness bill specifies that it has to be a loan for a public college.

OK, so it's OK when liberals shoot cops and burn buildings because they don't get what they want, but when Republicans seek resolution in the courts, that's being a crybaby. Got it, thanks for clarifying.

sure, elections have consequences, I believe that. But if there's some question as to the legality of what Biden did, isn't a suit the way to clear that up?

You say republicans are authoritarians. But Biden wants to spend $300,000,000,000 unilaterally, without getting approval from congress? Maybe he has that authority, maybe he doesn't. Let's see.

Trump and those who support his are authoritarian minded stop being afraid and admit it

Oh now spending money is authoritarian. Are tax cuts now socialism
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When can you specify how student loan forgiveness is not an example of using taxpayer funds to subsidize someone else going to a private school?

Spending money isn't always authoritarian. One man deciding to spend $300,000,000,000 without asking Congress?

"rump and those who support his are authoritarian minded stop being afraid and admit it "

How is it authoritarian to want a smaller federal government and more individual liberty, than what democrats propose?

U.S. watchdog estimates $45.6 billion in pandemic unemployment fraud
Applicants got aid using dead people’s Social Security numbers and the names of people serving federal prison terms

But but students

that's how democrats vote too...weird

Fill in the blanks C T. M R

See, this is how politicized and polarized everything is being made out to be...To me, it sounds sophomoric and petty. It should be recognized by everyone that this is how criminals vote... not one political party or another... Criminals.

Term limits!!!!!!

Pleas explain why you didn't just engage in whatabout-ism?

But as always, it's OK when YOU do it.

Nothing else would do more, to restore sanity to both sides in DC. There's no rational argument against term limits.

Maybe the problem is some people get their panties in a bunch over mild humor….