this is stupid

nobody is trying to keep anyone from voting....

everywhere I turn someone or some ad is telling me I need to vote, asking me if I've registered...my reply is...wait...is this an election year??...who knew??? GFY and mind your own business :laugha:

Thought you were brighter and would understand that effort to get out the vote is required to negate Trumps efforts to suppress the vote.

trump can't keep anyone from voting...this is stupid

Oh I know, just like he can't convince the weak minded or mindless minions the virus was a hoax and nobody needs a mask. The forest is just behind the tree line your focused on.

let me know when and how trump prevents you from voting in november

Won’t stop me but he is in court trying to stop mail in ballots and constantly tying to convince the American public it’s not valid and let’s not forget the postal service. Keep believing he is there to protect ALL Americans rights, not unless your in a state with the right color.
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I used to think Scott was smarter but I question that now.

He never said the virus was a hoax. He is not against anyone wearing a mask.

He is not trying to stop all mail in ballots. Mass mail in is susceptible to fraud and even more susceptible to error and to prolonged confusion and disqualification of ballots. Anti-Trump media denies this. But other media doesn't. The Court can decide. Trump alone cannot do it.

In any case stopping mass mail in votes does not stop people from voting.

right...can't stop you...but...everyone else he can stop from voting...:confused:

Report on CNBC right now of a hospital in Green Bay, WI that is over 100% capacity.

The president is holding a rally in Green Bay this weekend and local officials are concerned it will be a super spreader event.
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And yet another sterling and timely report by PeteF. We don't need the fake news media. Pete has it covered.

It’s weird how Trump’s “accidental misstatements” always read like an endorsement of white supremacy. You’d think if they were all misstatements he’d occasionally also “accidentally” condemn white supremacy.
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Trump said on Aug. 14, 2017: Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

Trump said on Aug. 15, 2017: I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.


After nearly two dozen people were killed on Aug. 3, 2019, in a shooting at a Wal-Mart in El Paso, Trump said: “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

And this: https://centipedenation.com/second-c...ders-20-times/

And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezgooK0-mE

Yesterday, Trump didn't only refuse again to condemn white supremacists; it's much worse. He told them to prepare for violence.

And who are these Proud Boys that he doesn’t know?

SUMMARY:
The Proud Boys are a nationalistic, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, misogynistic, fascist hate group founded in 2016 by Gavin McInnes. McInnes is a Canadian radio and podcast host previously for RebelMedia and also co-founded Vice Media in 1994 but left the company in 2008 due to "creative differences". McInnes describes the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, or as he calls the group, Western Chauvinists.
CORE COMPOSITIONThe group has a hierarchical structure, involving 10 levels of membership. In order to obtain the fourth level of membership one must commit an act of violence. Its worth noting that the 5-10 degrees of membership are kept secret. It may seem counter intuitive that Proud Boys, a primarily White Nationalist movement, would have any supporters of different races but Proud Boys are at its core Fascist - a key component of their support…
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And you know the reasons why Trumps not going to court in Ma

And the reasons he's only in court. In swing states. Its to supress the vote our own POTUS has keeps trying to delegitimize the election in case he losses .but if. Wins the system is fine??? that is Clear for anyone who actually looks

In any case stopping mass mail in votes does not stop people from voting.[/QUOTE]

Yes it does. And several states all ready vote 99 % by mail

The difference is, in an all vote-by-mail election, voters don't have to request an absentee ballot. As long as they're a registered voter, they're automatically mailed one.
So these ballots are not just being sent randomly to unregistered voters

Sure some will be dead some will have moved thats not fraud.. that happens with Ss checks its called normal. And spread that across a country of 300 million people and all the states if you think that these incidents will
Change the outcome of the elections then your the same kind of person
Who thinks the only way Trump .lost out on the popular vote was because illegals Voting .. funny no mention of illegals voting yet

This insane. He has condemned white supremacists, bigotry, racism, several times. Did you even notice the post just before yours. His repeated rejection of these things is on printed record and on video, easily found IF YOU HAVE THE HONESTY TO SEEK THE TRUTH RATHER THAN JUST KEEP REPEATING IGNORANT LIES.

And he didn't tell the Proud Boys to prepare for violence, he told them to refrain from it. Wallace's question about condemning white supremacists included have them "stand down." So, after asking Wallace to name who he meant, and Biden blurted out Proud Boys, Trump acceded to both, using their language of "stand down" and "Proud Boys", and told the Proud boys to stand back and stand by. He later explained, when asked by a reporter, that they should stand aside and let law enforcement do its job.

But you have an agenda to push, don't you.

I put the part back that you failed to quote

Here’s what he said.........


Trump: Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what, somebody’s gotta do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right wing problem, this is a left-wing problem.”
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There was no need to quote what you already quoted. I didn't consider it relevant to respond to a summary of who the Proud Boys are. I responded to your characterization of what Trump said. He did not tell them to prepare for violence. I explained why he referred to the Proud Boys and why he used the phrase stand back and stand by. And Trump explained what he meant by that phrase when asked by a reporter. But you will have none of that. You will press for your interpretation, as if you know what Trump meant better than Trump knowing what he meant. And, of course, your interpretations of Trumps words always put him in the evil light you prefer and which will fit your orange man bad narrative.

As for your insistence that he has not condemned white supremacists, you fail to respond to all the instances I posted of him doing that many times. You demonstrate a blind bigotry similar to the bigotry you ascribe to Trump. You keep repeating obvious lies in order to maintain the validity of your false narrative.

Respond to post #175 of this thread if you want show us at least a semblance of honesty.

So you'll claim that it’s actually Democrats and the left who incite racism by… bringing up racism.
It’s clever rhetoric — by claiming that progressives see everything as racist, then nothing ever can be. The truth is far more clear-cut.

Trump says Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America. He believes protesters should be roughed up, that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous, and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.
The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability and a semblance of honesty.

#175 is the post I quoted

Here's a little more Proud Boy info for you
Only hours after President Donald Trump gave a debate-stage nod to the extremist group the Proud Boys he’s now claiming he doesn’t know who they are.

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are. You’ll have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are,” Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

One could assume that nobody in the White House discussed this among other things re the debate with him since the event, if you are really obtuse.

However even if you accept that nobody in his political sphere said anything about his comment on the Proud Boys, his connection to his old friend, political operative Roger Stone, suggests otherwise.

Stone has long been a supporter of the violent group which describes itself as “Western chauvinists” and “anti-white guilt.”

The ADL reports that Stone has invited the groups leaders into his home, used them as private security at his events, accepted their support during his trial under the Mueller investigation and even allowed the group to share a video of him reciting their initiation mantra. “Hi, I’m Roger Stone. I’m a Western chauvinist, and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world,” he said into the camera in a now-deleted YouTube video.

Earlier this summer, shortly before Trump commuted Stone’s prison sentence, Stone was kicked off Facebook as part of the social media giant’s investigation into the Proud Boys’ online activities. They found dozens of fictitious accounts linked to Stone which would post and comment on Proud Boys material to make it seem more popular than it is.

In addition, just last week the Honolulu Civil beat reported that Stone has endorsed Nick Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys’ Hawaii chapter, as a Republican candidate for Hawaii’s state legislature.

Stone is a close friend of the Proud Boys’ current leader Enrique Tarrio, who replaced the group’s founder Gavin McInnes. At a 2019 Trump rally in Miami, Tarrio had a high-profile seat directly behind the president where he wore a T-shirt which read “Roger Stone did nothing wrong.”
Enrique Tarrios is also head of the Florida chapter of Latinos for Trump, now given his current push in Florida with the Latin community, I would not be surprised to find that they have spoken.

yes...they do this enthusiastically-racial division...it keeps them in power

Well if the current Republican Party spoke about race and racial issues, maybe they wouldn’t have so few people who aren’t white.
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trump will enjoy record support from the folks you claim the republican party won't speak to which is why you and your friends are so desperate to characterize he and anyone who disagrees with you as racist white supremacists...it's pretty sick and twisted...but not unexpected

You sound like him, here’s his tweet today after the debate commission said they’ll enforce the rules.

Why would I allow the Debate Commission to change the rules for the second and third Debates when I easily won last time?
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QUOTE=Pete F.;1202059]The definition of Stand-by is: readiness for duty or immediate deployment, a person or thing ready to be deployed immediately, especially if needed as backup in an emergency.

That's one of the definitions (of course, the one you would choose). Another definition is: adhere to or abide by something promised, stated, or decided. So when he asked the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by, he was asking them to stand back from the violence (and letting law enforcement do the work of keeping order) and stand by, or adhere to, the standing back.

So you'll claim that it’s actually Democrats and the left who incite racism by… bringing up racism.

I don't remember saying that, certainly not in that way. Constantly accusing people who are not racist of being racist can eventually lead to pushback.

It’s clever rhetoric — by claiming that progressives see everything as racist, then nothing ever can be.

Did I say that? It is clever. And on the surface, philosophically true. But "everything" is obviously an exaggeration. Rather, when any action, thought, or statement by a white person involving another race or person of that race is perceived as some injustice against or oppression of that person or that race, even if the action or thought or words are not about race, nor are intended to be so, nor, perhaps, even intended to be injurious, yet can be called racism, then anything a white person says or does in reference to another race can be called racism. So the word then loses any coherent meaning.

The truth is far more clear-cut.

Trump says Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America.

He never said any of those things. You universalize his statements or are just lying. He didn't say All Mexicans are rapists. Far from it. You persist on claiming that he said white supremacists are very fine people, but he never did. Check post #174 for his view on white supremacists. And he didn't say ALL Muslims, nor Muslims in general or per se.

He believes protesters should be roughed up,

He didn't say that. See there you go applying a universal to a particular. When you don't qualify protesters as specific ones, you deliberately imply all. And when you don't qualify a particular "protester" as also being an unruly "disrupter" who refuses to be civil or leave rather than peaceful and orderly, you imply that such a person is faultless. Perhaps he shouldn't be "roughed up," just forcefully removed--which might take some roughing up.

that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous,

Probably an exaggeration, depending on the meaning of dangerous. Are you claiming that most black neighborhoods are not statistically more dangerous than most white neighborhoods.

and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.

They were exonerated of the rape charge, not the rest of the mayhem charges.

The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability and a semblance of honesty.

#175 is the post I quoted

This dog whistle nonsense is a convenient way of not having to verify a claim. I mistakenly said post #175. I meant post #174. If you check post #174 you will have his actual words, not some mysterious dog whistles, about racism and white supremacy.

Here's a little more Proud Boy info for you
Only hours after President Donald Trump gave a debate-stage nod to the extremist group the Proud Boys he’s now claiming he doesn’t know who they are.

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are. You’ll have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are,” Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

One could assume that nobody in the White House discussed this among other things re the debate with him since the event, if you are really obtuse.

However even if you accept that nobody in his political sphere said anything about his comment on the Proud Boys, his connection to his old friend, political operative Roger Stone, suggests otherwise.

Stone has long been a supporter of the violent group which describes itself as “Western chauvinists” and “anti-white guilt.”

The ADL reports that Stone has invited the groups leaders into his home, used them as private security at his events, accepted their support during his trial under the Mueller investigation and even allowed the group to share a video of him reciting their initiation mantra. “Hi, I’m Roger Stone. I’m a Western chauvinist, and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world,” he said into the camera in a now-deleted YouTube video.

Earlier this summer, shortly before Trump commuted Stone’s prison sentence, Stone was kicked off Facebook as part of the social media giant’s investigation into the Proud Boys’ online activities. They found dozens of fictitious accounts linked to Stone which would post and comment on Proud Boys material to make it seem more popular than it is.

In addition, just last week the Honolulu Civil beat reported that Stone has endorsed Nick Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys’ Hawaii chapter, as a Republican candidate for Hawaii’s state legislature.

Stone is a close friend of the Proud Boys’ current leader Enrique Tarrio, who replaced the group’s founder Gavin McInnes. At a 2019 Trump rally in Miami, Tarrio had a high-profile seat directly behind the president where he wore a T-shirt which read “Roger Stone did nothing wrong.”
Enrique Tarrios is also head of the Florida chapter of Latinos for Trump, now given his current push in Florida with the Latin community, I would not be surprised to find that they have spoken.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well you do prefer other peoples opinions about someone rather than what that person says. I'm not defending Proud Boys, but, like Trump, I didn't know who they are and what they are about until this nonsense about "stand back and stand by." But for a bit more balanced view, here's what they say about who they are and what they are for. https://100percentfedup.com/video-pr...-supremacists/

They are multi-racial being 10 to 20% non white, having black, latino, and asian members. From another source: the group’s website includes a list of core values as tenets: “Minimal Government, Maximum Freedom, Anti Political Correctness, Anti-Drug War, Closed Borders, Anti-Racial Guilt, Anti-Racism, Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment), Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment), Glorifying the Entrepreneur, Venerating the Housewife, Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism.”

Please respond to post #174. If after reading and watching it, you still claim that Trump is a white supremacist, or that he hasn't condemned them and racism, I sure would like to know why.

Just like, all the women who claim he molested, attacked or raped them are liars, just ask him.
But will he submit to a DNA test?
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You can try to do your change the subject trick to slither out of responding to something that proves your narrative wrong, but I'm not going to let you get away with that ruse this time. Here is post #174 in case you missed it or choose to ignore it. If you don't respond to it now, I'll bring it up again, and again when you refer to Trump as a racist or white supremacist and cite some "dog whistle" as proof, until you are exposed, to anyone who cares, as a blatant liar. As a refutation of your oft repeated lie that Trump is a white supremacist, racist, who has never condemned white supremacy, here is proof, not a dog whistle, PROOF that he has, and if you don't respond and fess up, I'll keep posting it:

Trump said on Aug. 14, 2017: "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Trump said on Aug. 15, 2017: "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."


After nearly two dozen people were killed on Aug. 3, 2019, in a shooting at a Wal-Mart in El Paso, Trump said: “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

And this:
https://centipedenation.com/second-c...ders-20-times/

And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nezg...ature=emb_logo

and....if biden looked so presidential and trump looked so bad, why would biden want the rules changed for the next one? he should be begging for more of that

What I’ve heard about focus groups is that Trump failed with the undecided and women in particular
The next one is a Town Hall format, maybe they’ll do it on Zoom given recent developments
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this is great....not once....many, many times Joe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icF8EJI61P4

A little irony

Cornell study: “the President of the United States was likely the largest driver of the COVID-19 misinformation ‘infodemic’.”
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So do you still insist that Trump never condemned white supremacism?

And now his misinformation campaign has infected his camp like a plague.

2 days he knew he was infected, travelled around the country to rallies and fundraisers, and wore no mask.

He’s pretty much Lord Jeff, but to his base.

Dumbass.
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The White House is supposed to be in charge of tracing contacts at Trump's events in recent days. It appears they've done...virtually nothing.
At this point not contact tracing is a choice the White House made. It’s not even like they would need to do it themselves. They can just pick up the phone and ask the CDC to do it for them. What’s likely happening here is they don’t want to know how many people are infected.
Or they’re just totally incompetent
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Contact tracing was put into place at the White House immediately after Trump aide Hope Hicks tested positive for coronavirus, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Friday.

"Immediately there was contact tracing that was put into place and all of the necessary procedures," McEnany said without elaborating on when Hicks received her positive result.

She said Trump got his positive result on Thursday night and "within an hour, we put out that information to the American people."

In separate remarks to reporters, McEnany said it was considered safe for Trump to travel to his resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, for a private fundraiser on Thursday.

"It was deemed safe for the president to go. He socially distanced, it was an outdoor event and it was deemed safe by White House operations for him to attend that event," she said.

She also told reporters she was not aware that Hicks had tested positive when she held a briefing at the White House on Thursday morning.

Jason Miller, Trump's chief strategist just said the President is ready to lead on Covid because he's been through it. So for seven months he refused to lead because it didn't effect him. That is a stunning admission from the Trump campaign.

So like his taxes, Tweety and the WH staff lied and failed to inform those they deliberately exposed to a deadly virus in a vain attempt to conceal Trump was infected.
Today the Stable Genius had to go for a ride to wave at
A former Secret Service PPD detail leader, quite hesitant to say anything, says: “The job is to put your life on the line...and risk is always there, you manage it. But what we’re seeing now is unprecedented. It’s Russian Roulette....you can’t manage that.
In Tweety’s defense, many babies can’t fall asleep unless they go for a car ride.
Paid $750 in taxes, gets world-leading government funded medical care.
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He was wearing a mask. But I agree that he shouldn't have put the agents at unnecessary risk, if that is what happened. Wouldn't the medical staff have arranged some sort of precautions?

And he has paid millions in various taxes, and has created sources for many millions more taxes, (employees who pay taxes, retail taxes, property taxes, sales taxes), and has legally taken whatever deductions his accountants have found. He paid a lot more income tax when he made profits, and far less when he didn't, and got rebates when he lost. So get off the stupid $750 bit.

Sure the White House is right on top of the situation, just a little late.
White House staff just got an email telling them not to come to work if they have symptoms. If they develop them, they’re told to go home and contact their primary care provider. “Staff should not go to the White House Medical Unit clinic for any Covid-19 testing inquiries.”
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Never
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You're as stubbornly and mindlessly repetitive as Poe's Raven.