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Pete F. 07-23-2022 10:52 PM

"One of the few Trumpists who seems to have really reckoned with what she participated in is Stephanie Grisham.... 'I don’t think I can rebrand; I think this will follow me forever,' she told Olivia Nuzzi last year. 'I believe that I was part of something unusually evil.'"
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scottw 07-24-2022 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229907)
"One of the few Trumpists who seems to have really reckoned with what she participated in is Stephanie Grisham.... 'I don’t think I can rebrand; I think this will follow me forever,' she told Olivia Nuzzi last year. 'I believe that I was part of something unusually evil.'"
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maybe get a job at MSNBC or CNN Plus.....well...maybe just MSNBC

Pete F. 07-24-2022 05:37 PM

Raise your hand 🖐️if it didn't take you four years of Trump’s presidency and a violent insurrection to figure out that Donald Trump is utterly unfit to be president.
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Pete F. 07-24-2022 05:45 PM

Every Republican in Congress should be asked if they agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene that the Republican party is the Christian nationalist party.
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Jim in CT 07-24-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229923)
Raise your hand 🖐️if it didn't take you four years of Trump’s presidency and a violent insurrection to figure out that Donald Trump is utterly unfit to be president.
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https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/majori...-ago-poll/amp/
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Pete F. 07-24-2022 11:38 PM

Donald Trump
Viktor Orban
Jair Bolsonaro
Vladimir Putin

This is not a coincidence.

The fight for freedom is global. The battle against tyranny needs a network of worldwide activists.

Are you ready?
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229930)
Donald Trump
Viktor Orban
Jair Bolsonaro
Vladimir Putin

This is not a coincidence.

The fight for freedom is global. The battle against tyranny needs a network of worldwide activists.

Are you ready?
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Now you’re a worldwide activist against tyranny?

you’re tilting at windmills if you say today’s democrats want more individual liberty than today’s republicans. it’s absurd.
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229931)
Now you’re a worldwide activist against tyranny?

you’re tilting at windmills if you say today’s democrats want more individual liberty than today’s republicans. it’s absurd.
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Of the 26 states that will have or likely will ban abortion now, 18 of those states have anti-trans laws; 19 have passed greater voter restrictions laws; All 26 states have disproportionate amounts of infant mortality especially for Black women.
The states pushing abortion bans are the poorest in the union with the highest child poverty rates; All 26 states have passed or are considering state-wide bans on critical race theory.
All 26 states have Republican supermajority (13) or simple majority (13) which gives the power pass or veto any legislation; 11 did not expand Medicaid, most in the South where 56% of Black people live; 7 of the 13 states w/trigger laws viz overturning of Roe are from the confederacy.
11 of the states have anti-sanctuary laws against undocumented immigrants. All 26 states have anti-protest legislation. Most of the anti-abortion states rank in the 50 percentile for pre-K-12 education.
An average of 70 percent of people in in the 26 states go to church at least once a month. White Christian nationalism drives the spat of legislation that seeks to return the United States to a pre-Civil Rights movement era.
Aggrieved white boys like you have enabled every right wing attack and movement.
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wdmso 07-25-2022 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229931)
Now you’re a worldwide activist against tyranny?

you’re tilting at windmills if you say y
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today’s democrats want more individual liberty than today’s republicans. it’s absurd.

And I’am the idiot ?

Now you’re a worldwide activist against tyranny?

So you disagree Tyranny is bad for the world.
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 08:05 AM

Trumplicans love tyranny, anything to “own the libs”
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wdmso 07-25-2022 08:12 AM

Claim that sex ed ‘grooms’ kids jolted Nebraska politics a year before it swept the nation
The unsubstantiated claim led to a backlash against sex ed that helped topple local Republican Party leaders and propelled a wave of far-right candidates for local and statewide school board

Yep GOP loves freedom

The unsubstantiated claim helped activate an army of self-described Nebraska patriots who rose up against the standards, took over the local Republican Party and propelled a wave of far-right candidates for local and statewide school boards, , these activists were part of a broader, anti-establishment insurgency that toppled leaders of the state Republican Party.

the claim that comprehensive sex ed amounts to grooming has simmered on the right for decades, often fanned by Christian conservatives who disapprove of same-sex relationships and favor home schooling and private schools over public education,

The Mind Polluters” Like 2000 mules was made to bolster the argument that modern sex education makes children more vulnerable to predators. Greenwald and candidates endorsed by a political committee she helped launch have promoted the film

Paul Hazard, a former state trooper who dubbed the proposed sex-ed standards “a pedophile’s dream,” was the top vote-getter in the May primary among eight candidates for the Kearney school board.

Vote for SHERRY!!! Helzer wants to groom your kids for pedophiles & traffickers,” one Jones supporter wrote on Facebook.


Yep Democratic’s are the problem in America . Not the lying and deceit fill Republicans
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229932)
Of the 26 states that will have or likely will ban abortion now, 18 of those states have anti-trans laws; 19 have passed greater voter restrictions laws; All 26 states have disproportionate amounts of infant mortality especially for Black women.
The states pushing abortion bans are the poorest in the union with the highest child poverty rates; All 26 states have passed or are considering state-wide bans on critical race theory.
All 26 states have Republican supermajority (13) or simple majority (13) which gives the power pass or veto any legislation; 11 did not expand Medicaid, most in the South where 56% of Black people live; 7 of the 13 states w/trigger laws viz overturning of Roe are from the confederacy.
11 of the states have anti-sanctuary laws against undocumented immigrants. All 26 states have anti-protest legislation. Most of the anti-abortion states rank in the 50 percentile for pre-K-12 education.
An average of 70 percent of people in in the 26 states go to church at least once a month. White Christian nationalism drives the spat of legislation that seeks to return the United States to a pre-Civil Rights movement era.
Aggrieved white boys like you have enabled every right wing attack and movement.
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You’re saying abortion restrictions are tyrannical.

As i recall from history class, the tyrants were the ones who wanted to slaughter huge numbers of innocent human beings. you’re saying it’s tyrannical to oppose the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions of innocents.

Have fun with that.

Pete, every criminal law on the books, limits choices women can make. Every single law. And we're all OK with that.

Every sane person opposes murder. our only point of disagreement, is the status of the baby. your side refuses to discuss that.
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229936)
You’re saying abortion restrictions are tyrannical.

As i recall from history class, the tyrants were the ones who wanted to slaughter huge numbers of innocent human beings. you’re saying it’s tyrannical to oppose the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions of innocents.

Have fun with that.

Pete, every criminal law on the books, limits choices women can make. Every single law. And we're all OK with that.

Every sane person opposes murder. our only point of disagreement, is the status of the baby. your side refuses to discuss that.
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Republicans want a nationwide abortion ban with no exceptions.

You’re really trying to convince us that the God who murdered Bathsheba’s newborn, killed all the firstborn sons of Egypt, sent bears to murder little children, commanded Joshua to kill all the children in Jericho, now suddenly cares about “unborn babies.”
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229939)
Republicans want a nationwide abortion ban with no exceptions.

You’re really trying to convince us that the God who murdered Bathsheba’s newborn, killed all the firstborn sons of Egypt, sent bears to murder little children, commanded Joshua to kill all the children in Jericho, now suddenly cares about “unborn babies.”
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that’s not what all republicans want.

what’s the longest you can go without lying?

how about saying pro lifers want a stop to the wholesale slaughter of unborn babies?

You seem very dedicated to framing the issue in a stupid way, and like everyone else on your side, you’re doing it because you know an honest discussion of the baby makes your position look barbaric.
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 10:43 AM

Honest people realize that this issue is one of many that MAGA Republicans want
First no abortion for any cause, no birth control, no marriage unless between man and woman and eliminate Social Security and Medicare.
All proposed by leading Republicans
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229942)
Honest people realize that this issue is one of many that MAGA Republicans want
First no abortion for any cause, no birth control, no marriage unless between man and woman and eliminate Social Security and Medicare.
All proposed by leading Republicans
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Got any data, any at all, to support the notion that Republicans want to do away with birth control?

There's a big, big chasm between what you claim I believe, and what I believe.

Again, you lie about what we believe, because even you know you'd have a tough time debating what we actually believe.

You left out killing the environment, we all want to destroy the planet.

Makes you wonder why so many people are moving to republican states.

wdmso 07-25-2022 11:39 AM

This Republican embraced gun control. It ended his political career.

Jacobs, a first-term member of Congress who represents a district near Buffalo, would become a cautionary tale about the politics of guns in the Republican Party. Officials who had endorsed Jacobs swiftly withdrew their support. Gun rights groups accused him of betrayal. Donald Trump Jr. said Jacobs had “caved to the gun-grabbers.”

A Republican being honest . Supported on a Monday on Tuesday he’s a sell out! Seems to be a trend in the lying GOP .. and if taking away brith control gets them votes they’ll do it and not even care ..

Jim keep clinging to that GOP lifeboat that ship has sunk ! The GOP and it’s voters now live on fantasy Island we’re lies are sold as truth and if you speak the truth you’re a Heretic
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229944)
Got any data, any at all, to support the notion that Republicans want to do away with birth control?

There's a big, big chasm between what you claim I believe, and what I believe.

Again, you lie about what we believe, because even you know you'd have a tough time debating what we actually believe.

You left out killing the environment, we all want to destroy the planet.

Makes you wonder why so many people are moving to republican states.

Three days ago, 96% of House Republicans voted against people having the freedom to use contraceptives.

So in your argument for why, are you also going to suggest we should have left slavery to be decided at the state level. You know, federalism
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229948)
Three days ago, 96% of House Republicans voted against people having the freedom to use contraceptives.

So in your argument for why, are you also going to suggest we should have left slavery to be decided at the state level. You know, federalism
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And if you did 5 seconds of honest research, you'd see that the GOP in the house isn't opposed to contraception, they were opposed to the wording of this bill, which would have included non-FDA approved drugs, as well as possibly allowing for the use of chemical abortion drugs, and could also override the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

The GOP is not opposed to contraception, again, how long can you go without lying?


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...s/10118075002/

Jim in CT 07-25-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1229947)

Jim keep clinging to that GOP lifeboat that ship has sunk ! The GOP and it’s voters now live on fantasy Island
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Again, it makes you wonder, then, why so many Americans are fleeing blue states for red states.

The GOP ship has sunk! Yes, the GOP is doomed in November. Doomed.

Jim in CT 07-25-2022 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229948)

So in your argument for why, are you also going to suggest we should have left slavery to be decided at the state level.
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(1) your side wanted slavery decided at the state level. My side sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives to stop it.

(2) slavery was obviously unconstitutional. Abortion restrictions are pretty obviously not unconstitutional.

(3) the supreme court upheld slavery and segregation, those stupid decisions were eventually overturned. Your side is now saying that precedent should be respected, so are you saying it was wrong for future courts to do away with slavery and segregation (championed, again, by your side)? Is it always wrong to overturn precedents? That's what your side is saying now, that it's wrong to overturn precedents.

I can literally feel your tin foil hat getting tighter, and I can literally hear the voices in your head getting louder and angrier. Probably going to be a rough few months for you.

Pete F. 07-25-2022 02:05 PM

Once again you missed American Political history.
Just keep thinking today’s Trumplican party is the party of Lincoln and that Atwater’s southern strategy never happened.

But sure Jim, let’s see if Tweety destroys the Republican Party as I said he would years ago.
You’ve certainly flip flopped about your hero.

Donald Trump could cost the Republican Party control of Congress if he announces a presidential bid before the midterm elections in November, GOP pollster Frank Luntz said.
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229954)
oys the Republican Party as I said he would years ago.
You’ve certainly flip flopped about your hero.

Donald Trump could cost the Republican Party control of Congress if he announces a presidential bid before the midterm elections in November, GOP pollster Frank Luntz said.
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I've flip flopped on Trump? Well, I guess you can't go 2 seconds without lying. I've said from day 1 that he's amorally bankrupt reptile, a vindictive, immature jerk, who nonetheless implemented policies that people actually like (he broke the record in the Gallup poll asking Americans if they're better off after 4 years of his presidency, how else would you interpret that?).

"Donald Trump could cost the Republican Party control of Congress if he announces a presidential bid before the midterm elections in November, GOP pollster Frank Luntz said."

Oh, I agree with that. I have always said I hope he doesn't run again. So I have no clue what you're responding to.

Could you please tell me, how I've flip flopped on Trump?

Jim in CT 07-25-2022 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229954)
Once again you missed American Political history.
Just keep thinking today’s Trumplican party is the party of Lincoln and that Atwater’s southern strategy never happened.

But sure Jim, let’s see if Tweety destroys the Republican Party as I said he would years ago.
You’ve certainly flip flopped about your hero.

Donald Trump could cost the Republican Party control of Congress if he announces a presidential bid before the midterm elections in November, GOP pollster Frank Luntz said.
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You also dodged the question on overturning supreme court precedents. Are you ever OK with overturning supreme court precedents? Because after Roe got overruled, the reaction from the left was outrage that they overturned a precedent. Not that their opinion was legally wrong, but merely that they overturned precedent

Pete F. 07-25-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229957)
You also dodged the question on overturning supreme court precedents. Are you ever OK with overturning supreme court precedents? Because after Roe got overruled, the reaction from the left was outrage that they overturned a precedent. Not that their opinion was legally wrong, but merely that they overturned precedent

In addition to being legally wrong, all of the radical right wing justices said in their hearings before Congress that Roe was settled law.
I expected no less from the Christian Nationalist Court.
They also stated that other settled law should be looked at also.
You won’t worry about it till they come after special education and associated entitlements.
Because states rights
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229956)
I've flip flopped on Trump? Well, I guess you can't go 2 seconds without lying. I've said from day 1 that he's amorally bankrupt reptile, a vindictive, immature jerk, who nonetheless implemented policies that people actually like (he broke the record in the Gallup poll asking Americans if they're better off after 4 years of his presidency, how else would you interpret that?).

"Donald Trump could cost the Republican Party control of Congress if he announces a presidential bid before the midterm elections in November, GOP pollster Frank Luntz said."

Oh, I agree with that. I have always said I hope he doesn't run again. So I have no clue what you're responding to.

Could you please tell me, how I've flip flopped on Trump?

Scrub all you want, you’ll never get the Trump stench off.

Morals don’t matter, do they?

Next you’ll explain again how Trump supported NATO, even though at his rally he said as president he told European NATO allies that he would not come to their defense if they were invaded by Russia. “That’s right, I will not come to your defense,” he says he told our allies. The audience cheered.
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229960)
In addition to being legally wrong, all of the radical right wing justices said in their hearings before Congress that Roe was settled law.
I expected no less from the Christian Nationalist Court.
They also stated that other settled law should be looked at also.
You won’t worry about it till they come after special education and associated entitlements.
Because states rights
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"In addition to being legally wrong,"

Not exactly a lot of substance there, as to why it's legally wrong. Because you can't provide any substance as to why it's not legally wrong.

"all of the radical right wing justices said in their hearings before Congress that Roe was settled law."

Did any of them pledge never, under any circumstances, to overturn any historical precedents? Sorry, it was Ginsburg who started the practice of refusing to make those specific promises, and every single nominee after her has said the same thing.

Since you keep dodging, I'll ask for the 3rd time...are you ever OK with overturning supreme court precedents? Or is it "settled law" every time the SCOTUS makes a ruling? Or is it only settled law when they make a ruling you happen to like?

"They also stated that other settled law should be looked at also."

If they believe that previous settled law was settled incorrectly according to the constitution, then it's their job to consider hearing it. There oath isn't to upholding precedent, it's to preserving the constitution.

"You won’t worry about it till they come after special education and associated entitlements."

I have a special needs kid, I'm very content with the feds staying completely out of his education, and letting those decisions be made locally.

Jim in CT 07-25-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229961)
Scrub all you want, you’ll never get the Trump stench off.

Morals don’t matter, do they?

Next you’ll explain again how Trump supported NATO, even though at his rally he said as president he told European NATO allies that he would not come to their defense if they were invaded by Russia. “That’s right, I will not come to your defense,” he says he told our allies. The audience cheered.
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For the second time now, when did I flip flop on Trump? Or did you lie and make that up?

wdmso 07-25-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229952)
Again, it makes you wonder, then, why so many Americans are fleeing blue states for red states.

The GOP ship has sunk! Yes, the GOP is doomed in November. Doomed.

Can you find some new material? Please!!!
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1229964)
Can you find some new material? Please!!!
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why find new material, when i can stop you dead in your tracks with a stupidly simple question.

sorry, we can’t all be as original
as you. we never know which side of the issue you’re going to come down on. never.
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1229964)
Can you find some new material? Please!!!
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there’s a ton of economic news reported this week. One third of the companies in the SP500 report earnings, second quarter gdp growth gets announced, the fed meets and will
almost certainly raise rates by at least 75 bps.

this is a huge week for the democrats. If the news paints a better picture, they can maybe get through the midterms with no more than a bloody nose. If the news gets no better,,they’re going to likely get creamed

Every poll shows that economic issues matter the most, every poll shows that nobody cares about january 6th at the moment. even abortion is far below economic concerns, and i thought that was going to really hurt the gop, and it still might, but not if current polls are correct.

The democrats are already saying “even though 2 consecutive quarters of GDP shrinkage has long been the common definition of a recession, we don’t think there’s a recession even if gdp shrinks again.”

the american people don’t care about january 6. They do care about democrats telling them
that the economy isn’t hurting them
as much as they know it’s hurting them.
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 08:14 PM

Modern constitutional law as we have known it ended today.

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood, it repudiated the very idea that America’s highest court exists to protect people’s fundamental liberties from legislative majorities that would infringe on them.
What the dissent aptly called a “catastrophic” decision is not only a catastrophe for women, who now can be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. It is a catastrophe for all Americans — and for people all over the world who have built their own modern constitutional courts on the US model. The tyranny of the majority won the day.

The right to an abortion was based on the principle of a living Constitution that evolves to expand liberty and equality. That same master principle of modern constitutional law provided the grounding for Brown v. Board of Education, ending segregation. It was the basis for Obergefell v. Hodges, finding a right to same-sex marriage. It is the same principle that undergirds dozens of other decisions establishing rights we today consider fundamental, from sexual freedom to stop and seizure, that were not considered similarly basic in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified or in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was.

In place of the living Constitution that protects liberty and equality from the tyranny of the majority, the court in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization announced a Constitution that only protects rights that already existed in the distant past. The majority considered it irrelevant that the people who ratified the original constitutional provisions did not include women, whose rights are at issue in Dobbs and whose equality is derogated by the decision. According to the majority, the dead hand of the past rules our constitutional future.
It is no exaggeration to say that the Dobbs decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito and joined by four other conservatives, is an act of institutional suicide for the Supreme Court. The legitimacy of the modern court depends on its capacity to protect the vulnerable by limiting how the majority can infringe on basic rights to liberty and equality.

The Dobbs majority not only takes the court out of that business. It holds that the court should never have expanded the protection of liberty and equality in the first place.

The most basic argument of the Dobbs decision is that, in 1868, states did not consider abortion a fundamental right. That is accurate, as the magisterial dissent, co-authored by Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, acknowledges.
But in 1868, there was also no clearly established right to contraception. There were no Miranda rights to protect arrestees. There was no right to choose your own sexual partner, let alone to marry the person you love. And there is no definitive historical evidence that the people who ratified the 14th Amendment thought that doing so prohibited segregation. If you take Dobbs’s logic seriously, all the landmark decisions establishing these rights are wrong.

Will the court now undertake a major effort to revisit these core rights?

Alito’s majority opinion, which is not significantly different from his leaked draft, tries to suggest the court will not do that. Its only basis for that suggestion is to say that abortion is “unique” because it involves life. Justice Clarence Thomas, in a separate concurrence, called openly for revisiting rights to sexual freedom and gay marriage. The dissenters argued cogently that it is now open season on those and similar basic rights.

It is hard for me to imagine that the rest of the conservative justices actually plan to roll back many of our most fundamental rights. Unfortunately, that hardly matters. State legislatures can and will now pass laws that violate or eliminate those rights. The lower courts will have to adjudicate them. Ultimately the Supreme Court will have to weigh in again.
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Jim in CT 07-25-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1229981)
Modern constitutional law as we have known it ended today.

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood, it repudiated the very idea that America’s highest court exists to protect people’s fundamental liberties from legislative majorities that would infringe on them.
What the dissent aptly called a “catastrophic” decision is not only a catastrophe for women, who now can be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. It is a catastrophe for all Americans — and for people all over the world who have built their own modern constitutional courts on the US model. The tyranny of the majority won the day.

The right to an abortion was based on the principle of a living Constitution that evolves to expand liberty and equality. That same master principle of modern constitutional law provided the grounding for Brown v. Board of Education, ending segregation. It was the basis for Obergefell v. Hodges, finding a right to same-sex marriage. It is the same principle that undergirds dozens of other decisions establishing rights we today consider fundamental, from sexual freedom to stop and seizure, that were not considered similarly basic in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified or in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was.

In place of the living Constitution that protects liberty and equality from the tyranny of the majority, the court in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization announced a Constitution that only protects rights that already existed in the distant past. The majority considered it irrelevant that the people who ratified the original constitutional provisions did not include women, whose rights are at issue in Dobbs and whose equality is derogated by the decision. According to the majority, the dead hand of the past rules our constitutional future.
It is no exaggeration to say that the Dobbs decision, written by Justice Samuel Alito and joined by four other conservatives, is an act of institutional suicide for the Supreme Court. The legitimacy of the modern court depends on its capacity to protect the vulnerable by limiting how the majority can infringe on basic rights to liberty and equality.

The Dobbs majority not only takes the court out of that business. It holds that the court should never have expanded the protection of liberty and equality in the first place.

The most basic argument of the Dobbs decision is that, in 1868, states did not consider abortion a fundamental right. That is accurate, as the magisterial dissent, co-authored by Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, acknowledges.
But in 1868, there was also no clearly established right to contraception. There were no Miranda rights to protect arrestees. There was no right to choose your own sexual partner, let alone to marry the person you love. And there is no definitive historical evidence that the people who ratified the 14th Amendment thought that doing so prohibited segregation. If you take Dobbs’s logic seriously, all the landmark decisions establishing these rights are wrong.

Will the court now undertake a major effort to revisit these core rights?

Alito’s majority opinion, which is not significantly different from his leaked draft, tries to suggest the court will not do that. Its only basis for that suggestion is to say that abortion is “unique” because it involves life. Justice Clarence Thomas, in a separate concurrence, called openly for revisiting rights to sexual freedom and gay marriage. The dissenters argued cogently that it is now open season on those and similar basic rights.

It is hard for me to imagine that the rest of the conservative justices actually plan to roll back many of our most fundamental rights. Unfortunately, that hardly matters. State legislatures can and will now pass laws that violate or eliminate those rights. The lower courts will have to adjudicate them. Ultimately the Supreme Court will have to weigh in again.
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the “living constitution” theory doesn’t safeguard against tyranny, because obviously it allows whoever is in charge, to decide what the constitution means. you can’t be bound by the constitution and be a tyrant.

all of a sudden you’re worried about “the tyranny of the majority”, yet you hate the electoral college, which was specifically designed to safeguard against the tyranny of the majority. As was the filibuster. which your side also currently hates.

do you have ANY principles?

do you think scotus should
decide cases based on avoiding catastrophes for women? i keep forgetting about the famous “women shall endure no catastrophes” clause in the constitution. do you have ANY idea why the statue of Lady Justice on every courthouse is wearing a blindfold?

any judge that ruled to uphold Roe because they want to help
women, those are the tyrants. SCOTUS isn’t the national organization for women. The constitution is what matters, not sympathy for women.

has abortion been a catastrophe for the 50 million babies killed?
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Pete F. 07-25-2022 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1229982)
the “living constitution” theory doesn’t safeguard against tyranny, because obviously it slows whoever is in charge, to decide what the constitution means.

all of a sudden you’re worried about “the tyranny of the majority”, yet you hate the electoral
college, which was specifically designed to safeguard against the tyranny of the majority. As was the fillibuster.

do you have ANY principles?
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Once again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge of American history.
The electoral college was a compromise instituted to bring the slave holding states into the Union.

The popu#^&la#^&tions in the North and South were approx#^&im#^&ately equal, but roughly one-third of those living in the South were held in bond#^&age. Because of its consid#^&er#^&able, nonvot#^&ing slave popu#^&la#^&tion, that region would have less clout under a popu#^&lar-vote system. The ulti#^&mate solu#^&tion was an indir#^&ect method of choos#^&ing the pres#^&id#^&ent, one that could lever#^&age the three-fifths comprom#^&ise, the Faus#^&tian bargain they’d already made to determ#^&ine how congres#^&sional seats would be appor#^&tioned. With about 93 percent of the coun#^&try’s slaves toil#^&ing in just five south#^&ern states, that region was the undoubted bene#^&fi#^&ciary of the comprom#^&ise, increas#^&ing the size of the South’s congres#^&sional deleg#^&a#^&tion by 42 percent. When the time came to agree on a system for choos#^&ing the pres#^&id#^&ent, it was all too easy for the deleg#^&ates to resort to the three-fifths comprom#^&ise as the found#^&a#^&tion. The pecu#^&liar system that emerged was the Elect#^&oral College.

Should blacks votes only count as 3/5?
Just what principles do you choose from the ones that were held in the late 1700s or even the 1950s, should Alabama still be able to say: No niggers, no Jews, no dogs?
Your aggrieved white manhood is the same as every right wing cult in American history.
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Jim in CT 07-26-2022 06:31 AM

GM follows walmart with another earnings miss, though they didn’t adjust future earnings which is good. Not much good news so far this week, and it’s a huge week for financial news. Like the super tuesday of financial news.
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Pete F. 07-26-2022 07:30 AM

From now on, I expect everyone who sees Rafael Cruz to address him as “Kiss My Ass Cruz”

On the street? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
At the airport? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
At a restaurant? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
In Cancun? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”

Because it is important to respect people’s chosen pronouns.
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Jim in CT 07-26-2022 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1230005)
From now on, I expect everyone who sees Rafael Cruz to address him as “Kiss My Ass Cruz”

On the street? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
At the airport? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
At a restaurant? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”
In Cancun? “Hey, Kiss My Ass Cruz!”

Because it is important to respect people’s chosen pronouns.
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that’s what americans care about, pete. pronouns. all the polls show that pronouns are a higher priority than cost of food.
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Pete F. 07-26-2022 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1230006)
that’s what americans care about, pete. pronouns. all the polls show that pronouns are a higher priority than cost of food.
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Well, it's English, but since it's not your first language -- or if it is you suffer from such an indifferent education that you can hardly be expected to understand it -- so you grunt out whatever buzzword flotsam sluiced into your wet brain from the Fox effluvium pipe.
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Jim in CT 07-26-2022 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1230007)
Well, it's English, but since it's not your first language -- or if it is you suffer from such an indifferent education that you can hardly be expected to understand it -- so you grunt out whatever buzzword flotsam sluiced into your wet brain from the Fox effluvium pipe.
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you said democrats are poised to win the midterms. I’m sure pronouns will lift them across the finish line. Nothing matters more to americans right now.
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Pete F. 07-26-2022 07:56 AM

The GOP openly wants to consolidate the power of the presidency, turn America into a Christian nationalist state, purge Jews from their ranks, silence dissenters, take away the right to marry, ban books & control women.

It's a fascist movement and must be treated as such.
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