Well said.

I seriously think that Putin has something on trump and is blackmailing him. It’s the only scenario that makes sense.
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Obama did it repeatedly

hookers

Trump and the Fable of the snake. A boy saw a rattle snake who convinced him he was different not like other snakes if the boy carried him to the valley .. He did as the snake asked .. once there the snake coiled and bit him. he was shocked and ask the snake why he had bitten him??

The snake said You knew what I was when you picked me up !! and slithered away

we all knew what Trump was on election day...

cant act surprised or outraged we are way past that

I'd say you're just ignorant but that seems too easy.

whatever soothes your hysteria...:love:

Cuba,Iran,Syria....he did it over and over
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You’re not dong this justice without more detail. I want to laugh louder...
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Has he finally gone over the line with Fox
https://youtu.be/7rJ9LCHxi8o
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There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Давайте выпьем за успех нашего дела!
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This has generally been my big beef with Trump - and was long before the election. But we need hard proof. No amount of "Resistance" will change that.

I resent that the Dems of the last 20 years are only now getting tough on Russia and only because it hurts Trump.

There is a lot of gray, the NatSec folks did good work and some of them did sh!tty work. Some of them made bad decisions. I sure as hell hope we can come back from it. Higher ups from last admin effed this up as much as the current crew are doing - actually the current crew, the serious ones, are doing better. Just the HMFIC is the problem.

Grossly Negligent. :bsod:



And yet another example of ho hum. The Dems ran Hillary, a candidate so terrible, people voted for Trump in enough districts for her to lose.

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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great point

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC :shocked:

I wonder if PaulS thinks Jim in CT has said anything more hateful than this.

Or Fox
https://youtu.be/7rJ9LCHxi8o
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Who was President when all this hacking and election meddling was occurring?

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

this would make a great tee shirt....

also

trump is more fun than waterboarding

Spence asked you something - did you see it?

I've heard his rationalization for not trying to put an end to it and it's a lame excuse, Obama had a duty to our country to stop the attacks regardless of the appearances. Like Trump, his base is ALWAYS looking backwards, blaming or rationalizing the actions of this clown, by comparing them to actions or inaction's of past administrations.

The base and vocal Trump supporters need to grow a pair and call a spade a spade. I think to catch the country and the man who ordered it red handed and to stand in front of the world not only say you believe Putin and Russia didn't hack, but to throw your intelligence community under the buss, is just wrong to say it mildly.

Trump is dangling on the ends of strings, being played by Putin, puppet and poodle.

A) did you read what the comment was in response too.
B) I’m far removed from his “Base”. I didn’t vote for the man, or the woman for that matter.
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The Still better than Obama crowd ... Just shows how hate over rides reason and past presented Facts ..

I cant go to work and have an inmate hang it up and die then blame the other shift for not finding the rope...

But here and other places Trump can blame everyone else and the parrots repeat the message as Truth with out missing a beat

actually...I think it's "still better than Hillary" crowd :laugha:

Some just can't seem to get that simple fact straight :hihi:

I've always been a fan of yours - other than your politics where we can generally disagree. I generally try not to hold people's politics against them as I do not think it is fair, nor is it just. Same with religion or any other important things because character is what counts.

I think Obama was a decent man, a good father, and a missed opportunity. If his politics were (a lot) more moderate I might have even been a fan. His politics were not and in many of his actions, he acted, ahem, stupidly.

He was President, and in charge from 2009-2017, during the Russian influence campaigns. His NatSec community were moving that info up the chain and he said to lay off. A dedicated and significant IC response was turned down. Remember he told Putty not to interfere. Sadly his lukewarm leading from behind did not inspire greatness nor instill fear into the Russian Mob Boss. If these bad things WRT to Trump happened and Obama knew about it (plus Clapper and Brennan) then there should be hell to pay.

So, yes, the Russian Campaign happened on his watch.

The dumpster fire of the Hillary server DOJ/FBI investigation happened on his watch. Leading from behind happened on his watch, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, happened on his watch. Not keeping China in check happened on his watch. Letting the Taliban know how long they had to wait us out was on his watch. The terrible Iran Nuclear Deal happened on his watch.

Letting a "regional power" like Russia dominate Foreign Policy in the Middle East, Europe, and here in the USA, happened on his watch. Horses and Bayonets and everything.

Bad things happened on his watch - we can debate how much was Obama's fault and how much would have occurred regardless, but he was the Captain of the ship.

So yes, Obama failed enough during is tenure to be a poor president IMO. No, he was not the worst ever as many would say nor was he the greatest President ever like his sycophants will FREQUENTLY chant. But if you want to send me to Gitmo because I am not being a sycophant for Obama, go ahead.

As I have stated many times, I had to chose between corrupted Hillary (who should have gone to jail for her server) and the marginally successful & terrible real estate magnate that probably has more negative ties to the Russian State Mob going back 20 years - and we still need PROOF from Mueller if he did something wrong and over a year in there is not (yet) proof.

Neither of these choices are ones I can live with so I wrote someone else in.



The 1980s called, they want their Leadership back.

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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The significant election meddling wasn't even brought to Obama's attention until the summer of 2016. It's not like they have real-time visibility into everything that's going on and it's not like there was no response. Obama did choose to delay some of the response until after the election to not create an even bigger election issue. Neither option was ideal so they drew a moderate line. I don't have an issue with that.

Regardless, what's even the point? Much larger issue is we have a national security apparatus insisting Russia will do it again and a POTUS who still denies it ever occurred.

Very misguided
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Dude - yer my Spirit Animal

:lama:


And it a problem with the previous administration for one reason, and a problem for the current administration in another.

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.

Yea, Obama took office and instructed the gov to cease all counter intelligence operations around Russia. It's a wonder how we even detected it in the first place. Good thing special agent McBiff wondered why that BLM meme kept on showing up in his facebook feed.

I think people have watched so many movies they think we have super powers, minority report kind of stuff. We're good yes, but you can't unhack something.

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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The tragic irony is that Trump supporters say they like him because he's a tough guy and stands up for America. Yet in front of Putin he's a lapdog and betrays his own nation.

Haven't seen a TV in more than a week, luckily.
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I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo ;). Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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Most presidential rankings I've seen put Obama in the low teens, some even top ten.

Trump right now is in Harding territory.

You mean like Bernie? :eyes: :thanks: :laugha:

PS - I was not feeling so much a victim of attack. I do think Obama is not in the top 20, let alone Besty Evahhh. I gave my reasoning for this.

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.