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detbuch 06-07-2021 07:43 AM
Maybe Venezuelans will vote Republican. Probably not.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_mo...2F2Qlyvnc2ufoV

Pete F. 06-07-2021 07:58 AM
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

detbuch 06-07-2021 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1211559)
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.

Probably because the Dems are the ones who want to make it easier for them to come here.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

Is the current proportion (or less) of workers to overall population going to be a "crisis" in 2050? How does he know that? We have officially 9.3 million unemployed right now. And that's not counting the millions of illegals who are under the radar. Nor the millions who have stopped looking for work. Is that a crisis NOW. If that is not a crisis now, why will it be in 2050? If there are not enough jobs to employ the current population, will there be enough in 2050 if we expand the population with millions of illegals every year. And what's to say that the illegals and their children won't adopt the new American way and refuse to have 2.1 children themselves, thus perpetuating and making worse the "crisis" in 2050?

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

Yeah, well the new American lifestyle, assisted by nearly a million abortions every year (1960's seem to be the decade that brought in the new style, including the abundant abortions since the 1970's). No doubt, the illegals, and for sure their children, want a piece of the lifestyle and have contributed to it since then. I don't see how immigration of any kind is a solution for that.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

I guess with the number of illegals coming in we could cut the number if legals. Anyway, if we need more legals, that's easily fixable. And legal immigration is the only sane and controllable and beneficial for us way to do it.

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.
The majority of advanced nations, if not just a about all, have had and continue to have severely falling birth rates.

Could it be that the high tech world the advanced nations have evolved into into don't require as much replacement fertility. And maybe even less so with the supposedly soon to be predominance of work being done by artificial intelligence. We are predicted to lose a huge number, several millions, of jobs to robotic systems which can simulate planning and production and delivery more efficiently and less costly than human labor can.

BTW, you have expressed concern for the well being of those countries from whence our illegals are coming--so, if falling fertility rates are a crisis, then are you concerned that they have dangerously been falling in Central America. El Salvador is already under the 2.1 replacement, the others are barely there, if not already so. Would the millions leaving those countries to come here exacerbate their replacement "crisis"? Or are you just a "racist" who doesn't care about the people in brown skin countries?

Pete F. 06-08-2021 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.

Probably because the Dems are the ones who want to make it easier for them to come here.

Looks a lot like supposition to me, most Cuban-Americans vote Republican.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

Is the current proportion (or less) of workers to overall population going to be a "crisis" in 2050? How does he know that? We have officially 9.3 million unemployed right now. And that's not counting the millions of illegals who are under the radar. Nor the millions who have stopped looking for work. Is that a crisis NOW. If that is not a crisis now, why will it be in 2050? If there are not enough jobs to employ the current population, will there be enough in 2050 if we expand the population with millions of illegals every year. And what's to say that the illegals and their children won't adopt the new American way and refuse to have 2.1 children themselves, thus perpetuating and making worse the "crisis" in 2050?

Your supposition assumes that 9.3 million will not go back to work shortly and that "millions of illegals" somehow survive without working and that anyone is saying that we need to increase the number of illegal immigrants.

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

Yeah, well the new American lifestyle, assisted by nearly a million abortions every year (1960's seem to be the decade that brought in the new style, including the abundant abortions since the 1970's). No doubt, the illegals, and for sure their children, want a piece of the lifestyle and have contributed to it since then. I don't see how immigration of any kind is a solution for that.
Abortions have consistently dropped since the 70s when they were quantified for the first time, unless you assume that illegal abortions never occurred. But that wouldn't fit your narrative.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.
Unsupported supposition

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

I guess with the number of illegals coming in we could cut the number if legals. Anyway, if we need more legals, that's easily fixable. And legal immigration is the only sane and controllable and beneficial for us way to do it.
The last administration did nothing of the sort, thank Mr Miller

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1211573)
The majority of advanced nations, if not just a about all, have had and continue to have severely falling birth rates.

Could it be that the high tech world the advanced nations have evolved into into don't require as much replacement fertility. And maybe even less so with the supposedly soon to be predominance of work being done by artificial intelligence. We are predicted to lose a huge number, several millions, of jobs to robotic systems which can simulate planning and production and delivery more efficiently and less costly than human labor can.
At some point all systems fail, then you can be free of the tyrannical government at last.

BTW, you have expressed concern for the well being of those countries from whence our illegals are coming--so, if falling fertility rates are a crisis, then are you concerned that they have dangerously been falling in Central America. El Salvador is already under the 2.1 replacement, the others are barely there, if not already so. Would the millions leaving those countries to come here exacerbate their replacement "crisis"? Or are you just a "racist" who doesn't care about the people in brown skin countries?
Coming from the man who thinks we should bear no responsibility at all for the situation in Central America, you are now thinking of new concerns for me. Tell me again how you learned on YouTube that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.

detbuch 06-08-2021 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.;1211594 I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes. They will have to make a choice.

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That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.[/COLOR]

Looks a lot like supposition to me, most Cuban-Americans vote Republican.

Cuba is not a Central American country. And I said that I "assume," not that I know for a fact. There's this from Pew Research: "the data provide some insights. In 2012, the Pew Research Center’s National Survey of Latinos found that among Latino immigrants who are not U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents (and therefore likely unauthorized immigrants), some 31% identify as Democrats and just 4% as Republicans."

"When one takes party “leaners” into account (i.e., those who don’t say they identify with one of the major parties, but in a follow-up question say they feel closer to one party than the other), about half of unauthorized Hispanic immigrants either identify with (31%) or lean towards (23%) the Democratic Party, while about two-in-ten identify with (4%) or lean towards (15%) the Republican Party."

"The predictions about how unauthorized immigrants will vote stem from the fact that among all Latino immigrants who are eligible to vote (i.e. are U.S. citizens) many more identify as Democrats than as Republicans—54% versus 11%."


Your supposition assumes that 9.3 million will not go back to work shortly and that "millions of illegals" somehow survive without working and that anyone is saying that we need to increase the number of illegal immigrants.

No, I'm responding to your post's declarative statement: "“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” and to its suggestive assumption: “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

And that there are estimated millions of illegals that we don't know about and don't know how many of them are not working.

And I believe that we don't have to increase the number of illegals but rather we should decrease it. I don't know what you actually think about that, but I assume that you don't object to millions of illegals since you don't say otherwise but always respond in some manner that suggests we should not complain about it, but should either welcome it because we are guilty of creating their problems and that we have a worker crisis and rather than referring to them as illegal we should just say they are undocumented and should have a pathway to citizenship.



Abortions have consistently dropped since the 70s when they were quantified for the first time, unless you assume that illegal abortions never occurred. But that wouldn't fit your narrative.

Yes but they still number in the hundreds of thousands per year that we know about, and well over 60 million since 1973. That total number and the continuing 100's of thousands/year have mightily contributed to dropping of our fertility rate. And that's part of my narrative which is in response to your dropping fertility rate narrative.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

So are you complaining about that? Is that a bad thing for you? Is there something sacrosanct about maintaining a rise of double digit millions of foreign born population every decade?

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.

Unsupported supposition

I said that I was assuming. And I think it is a reasonable assumption. It is reasonable to assume they come here to partake in American life. That dropping fertility rate is a part of American life today. Some "support" could be that the fertility rate is dropping to that 2.1 number in Central America and is already there or less than that in El Salvador.

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

So round and round goes the government carousel. The government creates problems and tries to solve them with more problems. Maybe the gov. should adjust or get rid of the policies that contribute to and aid falling birth rates. Or maybe we don't actually need to be concerned about it. Maybe it's just evolution.

Coming from the man who thinks we should bear no responsibility at all for the situation in Central America, you are now thinking of new concerns for me. Tell me again how you learned on YouTube that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.
What do you mean by "responsibility"? You mean historical causation for the situation in Central America? I don't think I have denied that. There's a lot of worldwide guilt there. And there's continued meddling. Giving them billions in "aid" which finances the corrupt governments that are the current problem, e.g. Ultimately, the people who consider themselves the citizens of a sovereign nation are responsible for that nation.

And I'm not thinking of "new" concerns" for you. You're the one who has several times brought up the problems that we supposedly are responsible for in Central America. And that how we are somehow therefor responsible for helping to solve those problems.

And I've never said, nor believe, that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.

Pete F. 06-09-2021 06:53 AM
Oddly enough, Stefan Molyneaux’s YouTube that you linked is no longer available.
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detbuch 06-09-2021 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1211613)
Oddly enough, Stefan Molyneaux’s YouTube that you linked is no longer available.
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Molyneux's views are not always my views. I have said that he annoys me, and that his views on IQ are troublesome. But he makes good points and backs them up with hard data. I don't recall the particular YouTube you're referring to. Perhaps it had to do with the false accusation that Trump said Mexicans are rapists? Making the totally inclusive "Mexicans" rather than "some Mexicans" or a specifically referred to group of Mexicans amounts to a lie . . . probably intentionally so.

At any rate, regardless of what Molyneux said, I don't think that I have made a blanket statement that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists. Some are. Some Whites are. Some Blacks are. Some Asians are. And "mentally deficient" is too broad to be useful unless it refers to a particular mental deficiency. Again All races and ethnicities have individuals who are deficient in some way including a specified mental disorder.

detbuch 06-28-2021 02:13 PM
542 Percent Increase in Convicted Sex Offenders Arrested at Border

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_mo...0fz6z8HM51qlYt

detbuch 07-15-2021 12:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkCbzieFFfY

Pete F. 07-15-2021 01:51 PM
Be very afraid, better put a mirror over your computer so you can see the illegals coming.

There are no nuanced, grownup solutions in Chicken Little Carlson’s head. Just like a bad remake of TFG, there are good guys and bad guys and spikes and monsters and killer alligators and moats around castles.
But it works for the base, create an enemy, vilify them and the base lines up for battle
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detbuch 07-15-2021 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1212244)
Be very afraid, better put a mirror over your computer so you can see the illegals coming.

There are no nuanced, grownup solutions in Chicken Little Carlson’s head. Just like a bad remake of TFG, there are good guys and bad guys and spikes and monsters and killer alligators and moats around castles.
But it works for the base, create an enemy, vilify them and the base lines up for battle
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Actually, you didn't point out how anything Tucker said was wrong. You just threw some nasty sarcastic shade at him. That's all you got. Fakery.

Pete F. 07-15-2021 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1212246)
Actually, you didn't point out how anything Tucker said was wrong. You just threw some nasty sarcastic shade at him. That's all you got. Fakery.
You think everyone should believe the Swanson Heir, all you got is a bunch of talking heads on YouTube
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detbuch 07-15-2021 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1212247)
You think everyone should believe the Swanson Heir, all you got is a bunch of talking heads on YouTube
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They say good stuff that you can't deal with. So you talk, talk, talk. Like a talking head.

Pete F. 07-16-2021 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1212251)
They say good stuff that you can't deal with. So you talk, talk, talk. Like a talking head.
Actually they say a bunch of stuff that fits your :bs: narrative.

detbuch 07-16-2021 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1212304)
Actually they say a bunch of stuff that fits your :bs: narrative.
What narrative?

detbuch 07-17-2021 11:50 AM
Analysis: Biden’s Policies to Drive 1.7 Million Illegal Immigrants to US in 2021
BY TOM OZIMEK July 17, 2021 Updated: July 17, 2021

A new analysis by Steven Kopits, head of Princeton Policy Advisors, a think tank, projects that immigration officials could encounter nearly 1.7 million people seeking to enter the United States illegally by the end of 2021, with Kopits blaming the Biden administration’s “open border” policies.

The analysis comes after federal immigration officials announced that they had apprehended 188,829 people illegally crossing the southwest border in June, up from 180,034 in May. The figure includes more than 15,000 unaccompanied minors, over 55,000 family units, and over 117,000 single adults.

“The only way to achieve such stratospheric numbers is by a deliberate policy of holding the border open,” Kopits wrote in the analysis.

“In all but two of the last twenty-one years, June apprehensions were below May apprehensions,” Kopits wrote. “The case is just the opposite this year, suggesting that extraordinary factors—like an open border—are stimulating continued and counter-seasonal flows of illegal immigration.”

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In the analysis, Kopits assumes the number of apprehensions will taper off in the balance of the year, similar to what happened several decades ago, although he notes that “apprehensions are showing no signs of doing so at the moment.”

“Our forecast for the balance of [calendar year] 2021 assumes a decrease in apprehensions following the precedent of 2000,” Kopits wrote. “In such an event, apprehensions at the U.S. southwest border would total 1,581,000 for [fiscal year] 2021 and 1,690,000 for calendar year 2021. The fiscal year figure would be the third worst in the historical record, and for the calendar year, the absolute worst in the historical record by nearly 100,000.”

While the number of illegal immigrants who were detected by Border Patrol but evaded capture isn’t released, Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz said on June 24 that the number had exceeded 250,000 so far this fiscal year. The number who are not detected and not captured is impossible to estimate.

Since taking office, President Joe Biden has reversed a number of border and asylum policies implemented by the Trump administration, including overturning the Migrant Protection Protocols, which required asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims were processed. Biden has also proposed an immigration bill that would provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Republicans have blamed Biden’s rollback of Trump-era policies for fueling the border surge, arguing that stricter rules around border security and asylum admissions serve to deter would be illegal immigrants from trying to enter the United States.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/analys...rce=pushengage

detbuch 10-08-2021 05:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqOV3U0JITc

Pete F. 10-08-2021 07:12 PM
Be very afraid
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detbuch 10-08-2021 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1215449)
Be very afraid
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The truth can be scary. But avoiding it is scarier.

Pete F. 10-08-2021 08:11 PM
Just remember when you’re dead, you’re a dead peckerhead
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The Dad Fisherman 10-08-2021 08:42 PM
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Just remember when you’re dead, you’re a dead peckerhead
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Ahhhh, keeping it classy as always :rolleyes:
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detbuch 01-25-2022 10:34 PM
Ukraine's border is more important than ours. Ukraine's national sovereignty is more important than ours. It is more important to protect Ukraine's border than it is to protect ours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDaPwux0VLo

wdmso 01-26-2022 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221398)
Ukraine's border is more important than ours. Ukraine's national sovereignty is more important than ours. It is more important to protect Ukraine's border than it is to protect ours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDaPwux0VLo
Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:

Jim in CT 01-26-2022 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221403)
Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:
Do we have a problem at our southern border? Has it gotten worse since Biden took over?

The southern states will get to voice their opinion on this, in November.

detbuch 01-26-2022 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221403)
Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:
So you go to media broadcasters for your "roll" modeling? That was actually a fortuitous typo or misspelling. Most legacy media do roll their audience with biased opinions and disinformation.

Tucker does seem to be more equitable than other legacy media commentators. He makes a very revealing comparison of Biden Administration views on Ukraine's border and the U.S. border.

Of course, your response is your usual avoid the message and attack the messenger. :faga:

scottw 01-26-2022 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221403)
:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:
good grief...first kid out of the spelling bee

The Dad Fisherman 01-26-2022 02:32 PM
https://pics.me.me/roll-model-yes-wh...y-24618585.png
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wdmso 01-26-2022 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221409)
So you go to media broadcasters for your "roll" modeling? That was actually a fortuitous typo or misspelling. Most legacy media do roll their audience with biased opinions and disinformation.

Tucker does seem to be more equitable than other legacy media commentators. He makes a very revealing comparison of Biden Administration views on Ukraine's border and the U.S. border.

Of course, your response is your usual avoid the message and attack the messenger. :faga:
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:

Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221421)
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:
you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?

they don’t put enormous financial
strain on schools, hospitals, police and fire?

huge amounts of drugs don’t come
in through the southern border?
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Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221421)
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:
federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1272676
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wdmso 01-26-2022 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221426)
you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?

can you even try to be honest who is letting in who ? you act as if there is no one on the border


they don’t put enormous financial
strain on schools, hospitals, police and fire? No jim they dont why again do repeat baseless talking points

Jim your characterization of immigrants, as people who drain public resources, is not backed by the data. not surprising


huge amounts of drugs don’t come
in through the southern border? Jim Drugs have always flowed from the southern Border and not a single administration has stemmed the Tide .. As long as Americans wish to Use Illegal Drugs they will still cross basic economics if there's a demand someone will supply
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It's All about Image for the GOP and Conservatives! they love selling this image that they are For GOD Country and Family.. it's just a scam

what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:

Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221431)
It's All about Image for the GOP and Conservatives! they love selling this image that they are For GOD Country and Family.. it's just a scam

what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:
how can you say that millions of
illegals ( who dont pay taxes, but whose kids need to go to school, who need subsidized housing and healthcare) arent a financial strain?
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The Dad Fisherman 01-26-2022 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221426)
you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?
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Try going to Canada unvaccinated and see how that works out
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Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:34 PM
wdmso - drugs have always flowed i. from the southern border.

i posted a story about federal agents who say fentanyl seizures are up 4,000% in the last three years

now i know it’s sort of a requirement that liberals stink at math, but do you grasp what a 4,000% increase means? it means things are way worse now.
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Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1221433)
Try going to Canada unvaccinated and see how that works out
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EXACTLY. Or Australia.

wdmso 01-26-2022 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221428)
federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1272676
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why is that Jim why would there be a 4000% increase because AMERICAN want their Drugs ..

I worked in a detox for 20 plus years users Hate what Heroin or Oxy has done to them and their families But they love getting High More
every addict will tell you that..

PS Jim how are they increase in fentanyl seizures if were just letting people In?

our border is like playing Red rover the problem always is the mexicans side (Cartels ) anticipate seizures and flood the Border with shipments ..

But many Americans have no Idea of the size of the southern border or that Each day, more than 1 million people and about $1.7 billion in commerce are processed through official ports of entry or Two-way trade in goods between Mexico and the United States has increased from $81.4 billion in 1993 — the year before the North American Free Trade Agreement took effect — to $557.6 billion in 2017. Mexico has remained the United States’ second-largest export market since 1995, with exports totaling $242 billion in 2017.

Many Americans a just uninformed and its why GOP messaging remains Simplistic at best that's why

Republicans overwhelmingly favor the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. But Republicans who live closer to the border are less likely to support the wall than are those who live farther away.

Because they understand how it works

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...exico-matters/

Jim in CT 01-26-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221431)

what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:
You are right, part of the reason the GOP opposes illegal immigration, is that it helps them politically.

DO you deny that part of the reason that Democrats are OK with illegal immigration, is seeking political advantage? The democrats want to turn TX blue.

But as always with you, it's only bad when republicans do it.

massive illegal immigration also reduces wages. supply and demand. it hurts poor americans.

Pete F. 01-26-2022 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221428)
federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1272676
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Sounds like drug imports increased during the Trump administration
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The Dad Fisherman 01-26-2022 06:24 PM
“ In 2018, the Border Patrol in the El Paso sector found just one pound of fentanyl outside ports of entry. In 2019, two pounds. In 2020, nine.

During the 2021 fiscal year, agents have found 41 pounds so far”
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Jim in CT 01-26-2022 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1221440)
“ In 2018, the Border Patrol in the El Paso sector found just one pound of fentanyl outside ports of entry. In 2019, two pounds. In 2020, nine.

During the 2021 fiscal year, agents have found 41 pounds so far”
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clearly all Trumps fault.
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