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Pete F. 10-11-2019 02:21 PM

Look who met 3 weeks ago to discuss and make plans for Syria – Putin, Erdogan, and Rouhani

For the poorly informed they are the leaders of Russia, Turkey and Iran.

Ironically, we have to turn to the Kremlin’s English-language website for information on the Trilateral summit on settlement in Syria held in Ankara, Turkey on September 16, 2019.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/61540

At the link, there are additional links onward to press statements and a 14-point Syria plan agreed by Putin, Erdogan, and Rouhani at the meeting.

The Kurds weren’t invited to the summit and they weren’t mentioned directly but it’s clear that the three leaders agreed to deal with them in some unspecified way to guarantee Syria’s territorial integrity and national sovereignty.

From the 14-point statement released jointly by Putin, Erdogan, and Rouhani:

2. Emphasized their strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic . . .

4. Discussed the situation in the northeast of Syria, emphasized that security and stability in this region can only be achieved on the basis of respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country and agreed to coordinate their efforts to this end.

5. Rejected in this regard all attempts to create new realities on the ground under the pretext of combating terrorism, including illegitimate self-rule initiatives, and expressed their determination to stand against separatist agendas aimed at undermining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria as well as threatening the national security of neighboring countries.

The full statement can be found at the link here: http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5439

In his speech at the summit, Putin also said:

Naturally, the situation in the northeast of Syria is a source of concern. Problems of security in this area and other parts of Syria should be resolved based exclusively on preserving its sovereignty and territorial integrity. We consider it unacceptable to divide Syria into spheres of influence.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/61541

In Q&A with reporters at the summit, Putin was even asked about the US presence in Syria. Here’s what he said:

Question: With due consideration for the US presence in Syria, I would also like to ask how you assess the US presence on Syrian territory?

Vladimir Putin: Regarding the presence of the US Armed Forces, it is common knowledge that their presence on Syrian territory is illegal. And we hope that the decision to withdraw US service personnel from Syria, made by President of the United States Donald Trump will be implemented completely.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/61542

What was Trump doing during the Trilateral Summit? He was bellowing about the drone/missile strikes on Saudi Arabia’s oil processing facility and blaming Iran for it which is all but forgotten now.

None of it makes much sense until you realize that Putin is calling the shots. Everywhere.

Pete F. 10-11-2019 02:42 PM

A contingent of U.S. Special Forces has been caught up in Turkish shelling against U.S.-backed Kurdish positions in northern Syria, days after President Donald Trump told his Turkish counterpart he would withdraw U.S. troops from certain positions in the area.

Newsweek has learned through both an Iraqi Kurdish intelligence official and senior Pentagon official that Special Forces operating on Mashtenour hill in the majority-Kurdish city of Kobani fell under artillery fire from Turkish forces conducting their so-called "Operation Peace Spring" against Kurdish fighters backed by the U.S. but considered terrorist organizations by Turkey.

The senior Pentagon official said that Turkish forces should be aware of U.S. positions "down to the grid." The official could not specify the exact number of personnel present, but indicated they were "small numbers below company level," so somewhere between 15 and 100 troops.

Pete F. 10-11-2019 05:33 PM

When an ISIS terrorist attacks one of our allies or us, please remember Trumps false claim that ISIS has been defeated.
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Sea Dangles 10-11-2019 06:50 PM

Thanks for your unyielding efforts PeteF. Even if you are just responding to yourself.
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Got Stripers 10-12-2019 07:32 AM

Already one Isis jail break, Trump is delusional if he thinks Isis is defeated and done, all that effort and loss of life to undo over Money and politics.
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spence 10-12-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1176660)
This will be studied for years as an example of how to shoot yourself in the foot.

I think you meant in the head.
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Sea Dangles 10-12-2019 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176710)
I think you meant in the head.
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Wouldn’t he have written head instead of foot Jeff? Is it possible you just don’t think?
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Pete F. 10-12-2019 10:14 PM

Who wanted Trump to withdraw U.S. troops and abandon the Kurds? Not the Defense or the State Department. Not the foreign policy establishment or the American people. Not Republicans or Democrats.
Who wanted Trump to abandon the Kurds and withdraw U.S. troops? Erdogan, Rouhani and Putin
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Sea Dangles 10-12-2019 11:12 PM

Blah blah blah
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Got Stripers 10-13-2019 06:40 AM

Reported 700-900 Isis prisoners are now on the loose, just unreal that this result wasn’t easily predictable, so you want the endless wars to start, guess what the war on Isis part two is about to get going. Trump is so corrupt and such an idiot, he should be impeached for stupidity.
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Pete F. 10-13-2019 06:50 AM

Only four days into Turkish attack and one week after POTUS-Erdogan call:

* UN: 130k displaced (likely to 3x)
* ISIS terrorists escaping (caught after years of painstaking effort)
* Syrians executed on roadways by Turkish-backed opposition forces
* Main US supply lines cut
* US forces fired on “danger close”
* Female politician brutally murdered
* Turkish forces operating well outside “security mechanism” area
* Increasingly impossible for US forces to remain in Syria at all
* No plan to take care of anyone who worked with us

Total Trumpshow

Weakest President Ever
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scottw 10-13-2019 06:54 AM

peto and goat strippers should get a room :humpty::rotf2:

Got Stripers 10-13-2019 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176757)
peto and goat strippers should get a room :humpty::rotf2:

You really should get a moral compass.
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Pete F. 10-13-2019 07:01 AM

Is that because there’s a vacancy where you and Dangles have a room?
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Sea Dangles 10-13-2019 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1176761)
Is that because there’s a vacancy where you and Dangles have a room?
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Together we would make little Republicans.😍
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scottw 10-13-2019 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176759)
You really should get a moral compass.
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pon·tif·i·cate
verb
1. express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.


but I've learned from my friends on the left that there are no absolutes, morality is what you make it and speak your own truth :kewl:

JohnR 10-13-2019 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176606)
It’s not always us, that is you buying Trump’s lies.

Jim, we have a NATO member violating the charter with Trump’s approval. Who came to our aid after 9/11? It’s insane what is going down.
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Turkey came to our aid after 9/11? That Turkey was Pre-Erdogan and was a country we could generally work with.

This is not the same Turkey.

We must really balance between cutting our losses with Turkey and preventing them from falling further into Putin's sphere.

And for all y'all complaining how Puty is playing chess with Trump, he did the same thing to Obama. He is punching way above his weight, for how long who knows.



Quote:

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1176611)
Whos calling you stupid ? That above statment was from Trump

Why us.. isolationism is dangrous .. how about letting China fill our void .. let them take a turn. Or Russia. how many Syrian refugees have NATO countries taken and how many have we ? 50 or 1000 troops seems like a fair compromise
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We did this for the past decade, glad you are coming around ; )

(this is not an endorsement of Trump/SDF)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1176636)
Saw this on FB from duffel blog:rotflmao:

One of the best sites on the web.

Pete F. 10-13-2019 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1176762)
Together we would make little Republicans.😍
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I think you’d make Trumplicans and I wondered how they came to be, not interested in making any, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Have fun
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Pete F. 10-13-2019 11:10 AM

Are you impressed yet with Jared Kushner’s Middle East Peace Plan.
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Pete F. 10-13-2019 01:39 PM

Congratulations to Trump and his base

Hundreds of ISIS supporters flee detention camps amid Turkish airstrikes .

A Kurdish official also said that the flag of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, had been raised in the countryside.

They’re Back.......
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Got Stripers 10-13-2019 01:41 PM

Good going Cheeto, declare the war is won, a few days later it’s back on; no cure for stupidity.
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scottw 10-13-2019 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176777)
Good going Cheeto, declare the war is won, a few days later it’s back on; no cure for stupidity.
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it's a battle

scottw 10-13-2019 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1176776)

Hundreds of ISIS supporters flee detention camps amid Turkish airstrikes .


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future democrat voters....don't be too upset

scottw 10-13-2019 01:51 PM

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Pre-Erdogan and was a country we could generally work with.




then they were lovers...

Got Stripers 10-13-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176780)
future democrat voters....don't be too upset

All Americans should be upset, allowing hundreds of those nuts loose again isn’t a democratic or republican problem, it’s a universal problem, really is inexcusable.
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scottw 10-13-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1176762)
Together we would make little Republicans.😍
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and they'd be better looking than Chelsea :)

scottw 10-13-2019 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176784)

All Americans should be upset, allowing hundreds of those nuts loose again isn’t a democratic or republican problem, it’s a universal problem, really is inexcusable.

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the are simply misguided...probably just need an emotional support pet, universal basic income and some safe space time

Got Stripers 10-13-2019 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176787)
the are simply misguided...probably just need an emotional support pet, universal basic income and some safe space time

I’m sure your humor will be comforting to the next bomb victims of one of those now freed nut jobs.
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scottw 10-13-2019 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176793)
I’m sure your humor will be comforting to the next bomb victims of one of those now freed nut jobs.
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I thought these guys only turned to terrorism because of America?...

spence 10-13-2019 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1176756)
Only four days into Turkish attack and one week after POTUS-Erdogan call:

* UN: 130k displaced (likely to 3x)
* ISIS terrorists escaping (caught after years of painstaking effort)
* Syrians executed on roadways by Turkish-backed opposition forces
* Main US supply lines cut
* US forces fired on “danger close”
* Female politician brutally murdered
* Turkish forces operating well outside “security mechanism” area
* Increasingly impossible for US forces to remain in Syria at all
* No plan to take care of anyone who worked with us

Total Trumpshow

Weakest President Ever
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Think of the positives. Now that ISIS has a chance to rebuild they have an entire generation of Kurds really pissed off at the USA to recruit from.

You don't get the genius of Trump at all do you?

Sea Dangles 10-13-2019 05:21 PM

News flash 🔥🔥🔥 Spence and Pete see eye to eye.
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spence 10-13-2019 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1176771)
Turkey came to our aid after 9/11? That Turkey was Pre-Erdogan and was a country we could generally work with.

They did.

I know Turkey is strategic in multiple ways but if they want to behave like this I don't see how they can be part of NATO.

Pete F. 10-13-2019 08:05 PM

In one swift move The Chosen One aka Stable Genius has just un-defeated ISIS
Congratulations fools
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spence 10-13-2019 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1176830)
In one swift move The Chosen One aka Stable Genius has just un-defeated ISIS
Congratulations fools
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^^^ this

And Chris and Scott are bunked up making more fools.
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scottw 10-13-2019 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176811)
They did.

I know Turkey is strategic in multiple ways but if they want to behave like this I don't see how they can be part of NATO.

this was enlightening

Got Stripers 10-14-2019 07:28 AM

Reported that Turkey is using militia made up of Isis and Al Qaeda terrorists and with the Russians joining in and our troops moving out completely now; the ethnic cleansing is underway. Military leaders are not happy they have been ordered out to leave their comrades to be slaughtered with US support.
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Pete F. 10-14-2019 10:46 AM

The noted Liberal member of Congress

Dan Crenshaw

"Isolationists argue “it’s not our war!” while conveniently forgetting world history. When ISIS regains strength or thousands of refugees flee, it becomes our problem, again.

The isolationists need to make an argument as to why more war is better than preventing war. I’ll wait."

History repeats, again and again.

Pete F. 10-14-2019 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176785)
and they'd be better looking than Chelsea :)

She could have been reworked like Cheetos daughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvqa4lNwEbM

Pete F. 10-14-2019 01:28 PM

It took forever, read till Trump, but Russia got the nukes out of Turkey.
Putin’s Puppet is paying his tab
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Got Stripers 10-14-2019 03:51 PM

Can’t imagine being a wife or husband of one of those 1000 military men and women now trapped and maybe needing to be airlifted out due to this brilliant foreign policy move. Policy made not in a room surrounded by foreign policy experts and military commanders, no its after a phone call with a foreign power who has everything to gain. What did we get out of this bargain? Secure transport of Isis prisoners, nope. Secure removal of our military from harms way, nope. We must have gotten assurance from Turkey it wouldn’t go beyond a certain point, nope. So we let Turkey run amok, we watched as Isis prisoners are set free, we watched as the Kurds and their families who fought hard for us are killed without support from us and now Syria and Russia are entering the fray.
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