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Jim in CT 06-29-2016 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1103270)
Truthfully ....0
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And that alone, justifies the additional hearing. Whether (like me) you think that hearing showed that she was dishonest about flip-flopping between calling it a terrorist attack and calling it a response to a video, or (like Spence) you think that hearing showed that she deserves to be on Mt Rushmore.

spence 06-29-2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103273)
And that alone, justifies the additional hearing. Whether (like me) you think that hearing showed that she was dishonest about flip-flopping between calling it a terrorist attack and calling it a response to a video, or (like Spence) you think that hearing showed that she deserves to be on Mt Rushmore.

Gowdy looked like a fool at that hearing. The GOP reports on the talking points cleared State of any wrong doing...read more Jim.

spence 06-29-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1103259)
No, You're missing the point(s)

A) I'm already a citizen so, yeah you need a warrant due to my constitutional rights. but since I'm already a citizen I don't need to apply to come here and/or become a citizen. That makes that entire argument moot

Refugees aren't applying for citizenship.

spence 06-29-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103264)
Well I don't know about you, but that puts my mind at ease...

As you pointed out, all this presumes that (1) records exist on these people, and that (2) there is a mechanism for verifying said records.

Oh yes, that interview, that must really cut down on terror. Because as we all know, a terrorist would never fail to announce his intentions ahead of time.

There are records and there is process. Even without perfect records you can learn and verify a lot through process.

Big point is that no refugee can even say they want to go to the US. The UN has to nominate them for resettlement, the refugee has no idea where they are going.

The Dad Fisherman 06-29-2016 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103287)
Refugees aren't applying for citizenship.

http://troll.me/images/debbie-downer...-got-thumb.jpg
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spence 06-29-2016 07:37 PM

A silly meme. Really?

spence 06-29-2016 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1103239)
There is no doubt that we have had a significant increase in the amount of immigrants allowed to come into this country wether on work visas or as refugees . Not to mention the illegal immigrants that are allowed to stay and continue coming .
My question is why and how does it benefit this country ?
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Significant since when?

The Dad Fisherman 06-29-2016 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103290)
A silly meme. Really?

A five word reply was all you had....Figured that was the direction you were heading.....
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The Dad Fisherman 06-29-2016 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103287)
Refugees aren't applying for citizenship.

Well, maybe I should have answered this with a Spencism....

You are reading it out of context.....read it again
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Jim in CT 06-30-2016 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103286)
Gowdy looked like a fool at that hearing. The GOP reports on the talking points cleared State of any wrong doing...read more Jim.

To anyone capable of objective thought, he showed that she was dishonest about the flip-flopping of causes of the attack. He didn't get her to confess to anything, obviously, no new bombshells. Think more some Spence.

Spence, I have asked you several times, to provide SOME evidence (besides her own self-serving statements) that every time she changed her tune, she was honestly reacting to the latest intelligence (rather than covering her own ass). You never posted a thing. Gee, I wonder why that is?

And isn't it a coincidence, that just before all of her public statements, they told her that it was a response to a video. And just before her private calls with Chelsea and the president of Egypt, they just told her it was a terrorist attack. And when she got frustrated about being asked, of course, she shrieked what does it matter. As we all know, the truth doesn't matter a whole lot to her (I came under sniper fire (which somehow according to you was not a lie), Bill was framed by the GOP to make it look like he fooled around with Monica) or her husband (who is such a scumbag, that he got disbarred, which takes some doing).

Jim in CT 06-30-2016 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103288)
There are records and there is process. Even without perfect records you can learn and verify a lot through process.

Big point is that no refugee can even say they want to go to the US. The UN has to nominate them for resettlement, the refugee has no idea where they are going.

What records exist in these tent camps and mountaintop villages, exactly?

"the refugee has no idea where they are going."

So it's not possible ISIS would put a few dozen terrorists in line, in the hopes that any of them end up, or can make their way to, nations that are prime targets.

Forgive me if I consider you 'big point' to be worthless.

spence 06-30-2016 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103333)
What records exist in these tent camps and mountaintop villages, exactly?

"the refugee has no idea where they are going."

So it's not possible ISIS would put a few dozen terrorists in line, in the hopes that any of them end up, or can make their way to, nations that are prime targets.

Forgive me if I consider you 'big point' to be worthless.

I think the majority of refugees are actually from the cities.

Risking an asset that has a minuscule chance of making it to the US doesn't make a lot of sense.

It's also why the recent attacks in the EU have all been by fighters who were able to return to their country of citizenship.

Jim in CT 06-30-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103334)
I think the majority of refugees are actually from the cities.

Risking an asset that has a minuscule chance of making it to the US doesn't make a lot of sense.

It's also why the recent attacks in the EU have all been by fighters who were able to return to their country of citizenship.

"I think the majority of refugees are actually from the cities."

Funny how your "thoughts" support The Narrative with 100% consistency. How do you know? Please support that.

And how do we verify that someone is who he says he is?

Only you would say that investigating a US citizen is harder than vetting people from places that still live in the 9th century.

detbuch 06-30-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103286)
Gowdy looked like a fool at that hearing

What does a fool look like? He looked like a prosecutor asking pertinent questions of a hostile witness. She looked and responded like a typical hostile witness. She obfuscated. Misdirected. Deceitfully parsed words. Was sarcastic, haughty, condescending. Filibustered the time allotted for questioning. She looked harsh and vindictive, a shrew-like performance, typical of her and obvious to any honest viewer. It was an expected performance. It was expected she would not honestly answer. And that was obviously on display.

The GOP reports on the talking points cleared State of any wrong doing...read more Jim.

State (Hilary) was wrong about the video. State was wrong about the danger to the Benghazi Mission. State was wrong about Al Qaeda being defeated, insignificant. State was wrong about who to trust. As the investigation newly pointed out, it was Qadaffi loyalists (those that the administration and HRC removed from power) who helped to rescue the others at the Mission, not the Libyan administration forces that we helped to replace Qadaffi and on whom we depended. State was wrong about not adequately protecting the Mission. State, the administration, Hilary, were wrong about not wanting to appear that we were bullying or controlling the Libyan government, so not sufficiently arming the Mission. And, therefor, about not making it look like we were invading Libya by sending military to rescue our people in the mission, debating for three hours, as the attack was occurring, and as the investigation newly points out, whether or not to deploy our forces in military uniform or civilian clothes. We were wrong not to even deploy a rescue mission.

Hilary was Secretary of State. She and State were supposedly cleared of any wrong doing. Progressives have conveniently changed the meanings of several words to suit their agenda. I guess we can throw the word "wrong" into the mix.

This is one of the many similar "achievements" in Hilary's resume that make her a strong candidate for POTUS.

spence 07-02-2016 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1103348)
State (Hilary) was wrong about the video. State was wrong about the danger to the Benghazi Mission. State was wrong about Al Qaeda being defeated, insignificant. State was wrong about who to trust. As the investigation newly pointed out, it was Qadaffi loyalists (those that the administration and HRC removed from power) who helped to rescue the others at the Mission, not the Libyan administration forces that we helped to replace Qadaffi and on whom we depended. State was wrong about not adequately protecting the Mission. State, the administration, Hilary, were wrong about not wanting to appear that we were bullying or controlling the Libyan government, so not sufficiently arming the Mission. And, therefor, about not making it look like we were invading Libya by sending military to rescue our people in the mission, debating for three hours, as the attack was occurring, and as the investigation newly points out, whether or not to deploy our forces in military uniform or civilian clothes. We were wrong not to even deploy a rescue mission.

Hilary was Secretary of State. She and State were supposedly cleared of any wrong doing. Progressives have conveniently changed the meanings of several words to suit their agenda. I guess we can throw the word "wrong" into the mix.

This is one of the many similar "achievements" in Hilary's resume that make her a strong candidate for POTUS.

I love it, so 7 million dollars later and we've uncovered that there were frequent changes of clothing and people who should have hated us actually liked us.

Other than that nothing changes. What a bombshell :deadhorse:

detbuch 07-02-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103523)
I love it, so 7 million dollars later and we've uncovered that there were frequent changes of clothing and people who should have hated us actually liked us.

Other than that nothing changes. What a bombshell :deadhorse:

Maybe you're responding to the wrong post? My post was not about getting into the weeds about what was "new" in the Gowdy investigation (though there was more "new" than you suggest). There was, also, greater amplification and clarification of the "old news." But, then, you like to beat the old dead horse of "old news" and "nothing new," and "millions spent" mantra. That's the immediate, predictable, evasive spin you and the administration put on these things, as well as it's "time to move on." Your nothing new mantra has been beaten to death. It is tiresome and not only evasive spin, but actually ignorant. And seven million is like about zero compared to what progressives waste on their pet wants and needs.

I was responding mostly, and especially, to your not convicted of or cleared of any "wrongdoing"--another of your dead horse mantras that slyly seems to make a distinction between doing wrong and wrong doing.

spence 07-02-2016 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1103526)
I was responding mostly, and especially, to your not convicted of or cleared of any "wrongdoing"--another of your dead horse mantras that slyly seems to make a distinction between doing wrong and wrong doing.

That specific remark was about the video which numerous previous GOP led investigations certainly did refute the argument that the administration improperly blamed the attack on the video versus terrorism.

detbuch 07-02-2016 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103534)
That specific remark was about the video which numerous previous GOP led investigations certainly did refute the argument that the administration improperly blamed the attack on the video versus terrorism.

You've used the remark about other things including the whole array of Benghazi hearings and investigations. Your remark is tiresome and, at the least and most generous, "improper." And it is certainly improper to say that the argument that the administration wrongly blamed the video was refuted. "[I]mproperly" blaming the video was wrong. It was doing something wrong. I think that would actually be "wrongdoing."

spence 07-04-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1103556)
You've used the remark about other things including the whole array of Benghazi hearings and investigations. Your remark is tiresome and, at the least and most generous, "improper." And it is certainly improper to say that the argument that the administration wrongly blamed the video was refuted. "[I]mproperly" blaming the video was wrong. It was doing something wrong. I think that would actually be "wrongdoing."

Ok, I'll substitute "refuted" with "vindicated."

detbuch 07-04-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103635)
Ok, I'll substitute "refuted" with "vindicated."

That would be proper. The ARGUMENT that the administration wrongly blamed the video was vindicated. The ARGUMENT was correct. The administration did wrongly blame the video.

buckman 07-05-2016 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1103649)
That would be proper. The ARGUMENT that the administration wrongly blamed the video was vindicated. The ARGUMENT was correct. The administration did wrongly blame the video.

True and yet the defense for this is incompetence . A defense of this administrations mistakes and mishandlings that has become the norm
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spence 07-05-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1103649)
That would be proper. The ARGUMENT that the administration wrongly blamed the video was vindicated. The ARGUMENT was correct. The administration did wrongly blame the video.

As directed by the CIA. Even Gen Paetreus's own testimony is that we still don't know exactly the role it played...

detbuch 07-05-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103670)
As directed by the CIA. Even Gen Paetreus's own testimony is that we still don't know exactly the role it played...

If we don't know what role it played, how can the administration say that it caused the attack.

fishbones 07-11-2016 10:26 AM

Here for 2 months and arrested for assaulting a 13 year old girl.

http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnew...ult-girl-13-at
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Slipknot 07-11-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 1104140)
Here for 2 months and arrested for assaulting a 13 year old girl.

http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnew...ult-girl-13-at
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I saw that also
disgusting

I don't see these people assimilating very well when our cultures are so different. It's a problem, a huge problem.

There should be zero tolerance, conform or leave

fishbones 07-11-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1104146)
I saw that also
disgusting

I don't see these people assimilating very well when our cultures are so different. It's a problem, a huge problem.

There should be zero tolerance, conform or leave

But these are the people Spence wants us to welcome with open arms.
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Slipknot 07-11-2016 11:28 AM

he is turning his life around and needs to be taught good vs evil
there are creeps everywhere

I'm sure the humanitarians will step in and change his ways


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