http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...periments-dies


Cavell was a 19-year-old Navy recruit fresh out of boot camp in 1945 when a commanding officer offered the chance to participate in a "special program." The officer gave few details, but said volunteers would get two weeks' vacation and an award in exchange for participating.

"We were just a bunch of young kids. We didn't know any better," Cavell told NPR last year.

not a chance this happened either testing Americans But the Abomb was just to end the war nothing more

Another conspiracy

Another conspiracy theorist

Well done,please find out who really shot Kennedy after you reveal we actually took down the world trade.
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Japanese is not a race.....it's people who live in Japan.

American isn't a race, correct.

The term "racist" has completely lost it meaning from over/mis-use.
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Only if your looking at by todays Standards in the 40's it was different

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/...D-controversy/

taking in the late 1930 till 1950's

There was an attempt in this census only to obtain figures for “Mex” (Mexicans), who were defined as “all persons born in Mexico, or having parents born in Mexico, who were not definitely White, Negro, Indian, Chinese, or Japanese.”

In 1940, the only change was the elimination of the “Mex” category, and Mexicans “were to be listed as White unless they were definitely Indian or some race other than White.”

In 1950, the census form listed the following categories: “White (W), Negro (Neg), American Indian (Ind), Japanese (Jap), Chinese (Chi), Filipino (Fil),” and other races to be spelled out. Note that the form did not contain the term “Black.”

https://artifactsjournal.missouri.ed...nce-of-racism/

another conspiracy theory article

here are a few others

Asbestos is really safe
There are mountains of scientific evidence that asbestos is extremely dangerous to humans. It causes cancer and kills more than 12,000 people every year.

Trump, however, considers the substance a safe and effective fire retardant.

There is no drought in California
Donald Trump told an audience in Fresno that “there is no drought” in California. According to Trump, the state has plenty of water but it’s being held hostage by environmentalists in government. The idea that the government is engineering the drought was popularized by professional conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.
California, in fact, is facing a severe drought of historic proportions that covers nearly 95% of the state.

Climate change a hoax invented by the Chinese
Donald Trump has repeatedly called climate change a hoax, often implicating the Chinese.The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

This actually belongs in Slips Monsanto thread,pay attention.

Of course it is Trumps fault,next thing you know he will be stealing gifts from the White House. Oh,wait a sec...
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I think I'm starting to understand :conf:

The Japanese got what there actions caused to happen. Sneak attack, killing POWS, murdering civilians, Bonzai attacks, a no surrender culture and a county (US) sick of war and ready to nuke them. So be it.

Mecca is next.
#gotrump


;)
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Why say it at all? Since just about everybody else on the planet (except you apparently) has some inherent notion of superiority regarding their "race" or culture or team or neighborhood or country or ethnicity or style of life or diet or point of view, or etc., or etc., or etc., and since "race" according to the article you posted can mean country of origin, or nationality, or ethnicity, or color, or other (take your pick--no doubt it will soon become a matter of self-identification in an infinite variation of transrace as in transgender by which you can define your "race" by preferred genotype, phenotype, social type, IQ type, athletic type, weight type, or any preference type that you desire), how then can "race," ergo "racism" not be a factor, no matter how little, in any relation to "the other"?

That "racism" (especially in the expanding limits of definition) is always lurking in the muck of human consciousness, its distinction as a relevant motivator has to be more than that it exists. You can be racist against Japanese, but have no desire to kill them. You can even love or admire them. (All of the "white" generals in your article said that it was unnecessary or immoral to drop the bomb, even though being white no doubt made them racist). I think the vast residuum of latent "racism," in the spectrum of human relations, is harmless. It can be a motivation to kill, but that requires more than that it exists.

Mentioning it as a factor in dropping the bomb is unnecessary unless you have an unexpressed agenda. Did racism exist when the Japanese tortured and beheaded Americans in front of the other American prisoners? The Japanese would have to have been exceptional to not have racist impulses. But is that why they did it? That line of thinking implies all wars, murders, harms done against "the other" are motivated by "racism." Granted, we have progressed to the understanding in the U.S. that if "white" people do it, it's racism. But if "the other" does it, it apparently isn't racism.

Peculiar also in the article you posted that "yellow" folks can have various racial descriptions such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, but "white" folks don't have French, English, Polish, etc. as racial identifiers. There is something "racist" about that. Or its just sloppy.
As TDF said, the term "racism" (as well as "race") has been so overused and misused that it has lost meaning.

you can add 'hate" the the list of overused and abused to the point that it has lost meaning....

I think we already have "transrace" as an option and in a high profile way :heybaby:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/was...dolezal-naacp/

Good god. There was only one nation we were at war with at the time, and they were still brutalizing folks in the lands they were occupying. That's why we dropped the bomb on them. There were no caucasians around that we were at war with at the time, as an alternative.

If you want to claim that the fact that they weren't like us, made the decision easier? That may well be true.

WDMSO, let me ask you this...if Japan surrendered before we dropped the first bomb, do yo uhtink we would have still bombed them?

And that was despicable. But that's not the same thing as dropping th ebomb on a brutal, bloodthirsty enemy, who made it obvious that they had no intention of quitting, ever.

There is zero moral equivalence between these 2 things. Zip. Ask the Chinese who were being raped and eaten.

In hi smind, he has the evidence. They w. ere Asian. we bombed them. Therefore, we don't like Asians.

Of course, another (sensible) explanation is this...once the bomb was available, we weren't at war with anyone alse at the time, so there was no compelling reason to drop the bomb on, say, Norway

WDMSO, you are assuming that racism fueled our ill will towards the Japanese in WWII. If that's true, why were we so committed to helping those most victimized by Japanese acts, like the Chinese and the Phillipinos? If there was widespread racism towards Asians, why did we care so much about helping those people?

We despised the Japanese because (1) they attacked us, and (2) their behavior was impossible for Americans to fathom. On the German side, while the Nazis were atrocious, the average German soldiers performed honorably (with a small number of exceptions like Malmady). Not so with the Japanese - their barbaric savagery toward everyone else, their fanatical refusal to surrender, their willingness to engage in mass suicide - they might as well have come from another planet.

Now...if you can find a nation of caucasians that behaved like the Japanese, whom we didn't despise the way we despised the Japanese, then you might be on to something with your claims of racism.

We were at war. And back then, political correctness wasn't at the forefront of everyone's minds, so yes, there was an effort to portray them as less than human. I say we did that because of the way they were acting. You say we did it because of racism. Well, we didn't set out to destroy the people of any of the other Asian nations, in fact, many Americans dies trying to protect the citizens of Asian nations. So I don't see hwo you can conclude that we had ill will towards anyone other than the ones who helped start and perpetuate the worst war this planet has ever seen.

This thread should have been closed when Buck and I agreed.

WOW you guys love cherry picking an argument.. your worried about
Obama being an Apologist in chief yet many have the denial badge of honor and choose only to read what isn't there ....


I have clearly stated I have no issues with the bomb being Dropped..:wall:

I also stated Racism made it easier in the decision making to drop the bomb not the only reason .. and have used example after example to point this out .. but like the whole OP it is based on something that wasn't said , so why should I expect anything less

An many think that Racism didn't exist in 1940 against black or the Japanese I guess ?.. why else should such effort be made to disprove
my assertion with a simple Americas were Mad at the Japs they attacked us 1st were brutal Bla Bla Bla , as were the germans the russians and USA... Oh and I mention race because I have an Agenda thats a good one ....

Since when Has seeing an issue in it totality = Agenda

or is only when people dont like the outcome of the big picture

Trump comes to mind when the issue is looked at in its totality = media Agenda

But what I don’t want is, when I raise millions of dollars, have people say, like this sleazy guy right over here from ABC,” Trump said, pointing to Llamas. “He’s a sleaze in my book. You’re a sleaze because you know the facts and you know the facts well.”

"An many think that Racism didn't exist in 1940 "

Who the heck said THAT? Now who is the one responding to something that wasn't ever said? Racism was rampant back then (led by Democrats, but I digress).

"Americas were Mad at the Japs they attacked us 1st were brutal Bla Bla Bla "

Yes, let's dismiss the atrocities committed by the Japanese as "blah blah blah".

"the whole OP it is based on something that wasn't said "

I will make this really, really simple for you. Please go to my first post, and tell us exactly where I am responding to something that wasn't said. I pasted an exact quote from Obama, and then made a logical, compelling case for why it was a horrendous thing for him to say.

Again you miss the point it was about what the government told the people as opposed to what they where really Doing !!!! Are you suggesting Race had nothing to do with giving those black americans syphilis or that race did never came up when talking if we should or shouldn't drop the bomb ..

like the Mustard gas experiments on troops in 1945 .. and to my point the bomb was a weapons test and a means to end the War not just for the sole reason to end the War as the narrative in 1945 from Our Government would suggest

you dont see a pattern ?

No you made up your own narrative.. Evil showed up 1 time in the Speech ,,,, no different then this quote

I think WDMSO, you are assuming that racism fueled our ill will towards the Japanese in WWII. or
In hi smind, he has the evidence. They w. ere Asian. we bombed them. Therefore, we don't like Asians.

Again I never said any of those things but then you made a logical, compelling case saying thats what I Said ...another pattern emerges

Oh, I see..first you said I responded to something that wasn't said. Now you are saying that I responded to something that was said "once" in his speech. I never claimed he said it repeatedly. Therefore I didn't make anything up. Tell me WDMSO, how many times does he need to say it, before you give me your blessing to be offended by it?

Once is enough. When one looks at what took place in WWII, it's actually fairly simple to distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys. Most idiots are capable of pulling that off. Not our POTUS!! Hooray!

Tell the Chinese and the Philipinos that it was "evil" for us to drop the bomb, and thus liberate them from the Japanese.

[QUOTE=wdmso;1101609]I also stated Racism made it easier in the decision making to drop the bomb

Easier? You mean like the decision wasn't easy enough so racism made it so? I would think the decision was not easy at all, and that racism would not make it any easier. Unless you're talking about some foaming at the mouth racism which is so much a part of one's psyche that it is satisfied by slaughter. Whatever latent racism existed in the minds of those making the decision, I don't think it was that instrumental in making the decision. If it was, then you may have some point in bringing it up. But, in order to throw that motivation into the mix, you need more evidence that was the case, not just some aside to make a more total case.

not the only reason .. and have used example after example to point this out ..

Was it a relevant reason at all? What was the relevance? Your examples were not comparable to dropping the bomb.

An many think that Racism didn't exist in 1940 against black or the Japanese I guess ?

Racism existed in 1940, and probably since the beginning of race consciousness, and still today. And it existed in the Japanese minds, and black minds as well. Do you know of some race that is free of racism. Is your point that racism is bad?

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I think WDMSO, you are assuming that racism fueled our ill will towards the Japanese in WWII. [/QUOTE]





getting tough to keep up :jester:

We may not be able to eliminate man’s capacity to do evil

that what was said..
it is not what you imagination has told us he
said .. which was its "evil" for us to drop the bomb," not much different then saying I think racism was the only reason we dropped the Bomb:bl:

getting tough to keep up :jester:[/QUOTE]

seems I am not the one having trouble keeping up...
ask the Sixty-two percent of the internees were United States citizens. what they felt I am sure it wasn't just i'll will because of pearl harbor

"I have clearly stated I have no issues with the bomb being Dropped.."
"racism alone is not a big factor."

I see a pattern in your above quotes intertwined with the rest of your narrative in this thread. It's a rather incoherent one designed, it seems, to expose government fakery, even though you don't disapprove of what it did, you want to expose its lying about it. Or expose half truths. That's nice. But when you have to pile on with a personal assumption under the guise of something that is supposedly so self evident that we must be willfully blind to question it, you weaken your argument rather than strengthening it with an unsubstantiated tidbit which you think fleshes out the total reasons for dropping the bomb.

"We may not be able to eliminate man’s capacity to do evil

that what was said.. "

No. He said "we shall not repeat the evil". That's not my imagination, it is an exact quote. You may not like it, but it's what the man said.

Jim, he did not say that. You've been conned by fake news. Read my previous post...

Those right-wing nuts at The Huffington Post reported that Obama used the phrase "we shall not repeat the evil". Looks like you are 100% correct, in that he didn't say it. I got it from The Huffington Ppost, not from Glenn Beck.

Here is a text of the speech from the Washington Post, as liberal as it gets...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...dae_story.html

Some notable comments...

"It is not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artifacts tell us that violent conflict appeared with the very first man. Our early ancestors, having learned to make blades from flint and spears from wood, used these tools not just for hunting but against their own kind. On every continent, the history of civilization is filled with war"

In other words, our idiot-in-chief is saying that there was nothing unique or extraordinary about Japan's role in WWII. Tell that to the Chinese, or the captured American flyers (the ones that were not eaten, I mean).

"Every great religion promises a pathway to love and peace and righteousness. And yet no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed their faith as a license to kill."

Yeah, yeah, yeah...there's no difference between Christianity and Islam, or between Christianity and the worship of Emperor Hirohito, we get it...

"Those who died, they are like us"

Wrong. Those who died at Hiroshima, were prepared to fight to the death of their last toddler, and for what? So their country could continue its barbaric conquest of murder, rape, and cannibalism. If they were "like us", they wouldn't have embarked on a goal of global genocide. That was the whole problem...they weren't like us, not at all.

"death fell from the sky "

Peace and freedom also fell from the sky. He seems to have failed to mention that part.

Where in the speech did Obama say, "if you engage on a global quest of genocide, you will be brought to your knees, and you will get exactly what's coming to you?" Granted, many innocents got caught up in that. But the blame lies with the Japanese, not with us.

not exactly...it was originally reported by UPI(fake news) that he said this, later corrected that it was the translation on the monument


An earlier version of this story mistakenly attributed a quote to Obama. "Let all the souls here rest in peace, for we shall not repeat the evil" is the English translation of the epitaph from the Hiroshima memorial. It was not part of Obama's speech.

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You could have stopped here.

I love your personal assumption that reflects how you feel and no way represents what I said. total reasons . that pattern holds well here on many topics
from Climate change Governments taking guns to race relations

It seems to me that UUUUUUU RRRRR over whemled about race I do not notice others talking about race relations of others....if UUUUUU mentioned a lot of rhetoric on issues I could agree......:)

your correct many dont speak about it because they dont thinks theses issues exist.or have impact.. but spend post after post insisting it not in the realm of possibilities that it (race ) influences anything past present or future.. thats just my take on things

No, we just don't run around like Oprah going "that's a race issue, and that's a race issue, Everything's a race issue"

It's getting rather tiresome....
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I was thinking spike lee
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I can see it getting tiresome to those it effects directly... white folk not so much their experience is very very different they only need to hear about it and they are inconvenienced and tired

So if not everything can be labeled a race issue from blacks the same rule applies to whites.. not everything isn't a race issues..

its called being a moderate but there are not many of us

priceless :)

I don't think the bombs were a weapons test, but more of a message to the world, especially Russia that we were now masters of the universe.
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We're only inconvenienced and tired when it's not a real case of racism.....we prefer to save the outrage for when it's really happening.

If a cop pulls over a Black man he's accused of Racial Profiling.

If a person offers a Japanese guy a glass of Sake' he's accused of Racial Stereotyping.

Sports Team logos are Racially Insensitive and a White Girl with Dreadlocks is accused of Racial Appropriation.

But we obviously can't see the outrage of this because we are blinded by our White Privilege :rolleyes:

Tell me should we be outraged by this......or is this really not a case of a racist agenda...

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6990

"Students who refused to listen to or join their outbursts were shouted down:“Stand the f*** up!” “You filthy racist white piece of s***!” Men and women alike were pushed and shoved by the group.

“If we can’t have it, shut it down!” they cried. Another woman was pinned to a wall by protesters who unleashed their insults, shouting “filthy white b****!” in her face."

Oh that's right.....only those who are blinded by their White Privilege can be racists....

By the way......none of these students were punished.....that display was absolutely sickening.....
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