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And please don't bother me with the "hate Bush" mantra...it's just a lame excuse to avoid real policy failings under the current Adminitration. I love it...under this Administration the size of the Federal Government is out of control, we have record deficits, a complete failure to plan for looming energy and educational crisis, the influence of special interests has doubled, our Constitution is under attack and our government becomes more authoritarian every moment, we've invested hundreds of billions of our tax money and thousands of US lives for an ill-planned and reckless war that's weakened our armed forces, our great country has completely lost our international moral high-ground and neutered our ability to influence geopolitical events... And Bronko thinks I simply have a partisan personality problem with George W. Bush!!! Wake up. Quote:
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I know my posts are most DEFINITELY not personal. I am an independent conservative. I am having beers tonight with a Bush supporter and two raging democratic liberals... I like nothing more than debating and the free flow of ideas. I generally do less of it during the fishing season, but sometimes with hot-button issues I can't resist. Spence's posts are always well though out and insightful, the guy knows his stuff. He is clearly wrong.... but intelligent and eloquent nonetheless.:wavey: |
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100% my own words. I never watch the Hannity/Carlson/Graham/Severin crowd. They are as brutal as the Bill Mahers and James Carvilles of the world. I just read a lot.:D |
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There really are few pure liberal vs conservative arguments, it's all very nuanced. The pathetic level of debate in this country is causing people to ignore the nuance and apply black and white rules to very complex problems. This doesn't work in business, and it shouldn't be tolerated in politics, at least not if we want an effective government. Would you think it fair if I labeled you a greedy authoritarian warmonger simply because you supported the Administration and the war in Iraq? -spence |
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Here ya go http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm It's not a hate thing its a blame thing. Typical of the Left it seems you start with the assumption that America is first to blame for any international strife and then begin an analytical process from there. Unless of course in the case a Republican administration is in power then the process remains frozen at blame America first. |
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Is this thread about our views or whats going on over there?
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The Left was against Clinton for his support of globalization and free trade. It has everything to do with the notion that because America does something it must be good or right. The believe that your own %$%$%$%$ doesn't stink... But it's precisely the awareness that our tremendous influence in the world can in fact do great harm that has afforded our country so much success. Certainly this has been forgotten at times, and regardless of our intentions the lessons shouldn't be ignored. It's not about blame, it's about reality. -spence |
I truly think this has NOTHING to do with the US. These are Isreals actions and not ours.
But, Hezzballoh is a terrorist organization and if Isreal wipes them out, I think its good. I am not for war, I am against it. but my entire life I have heard "Mid East Peace Talks" 100 times, with NO true progress. WHat has diplomacy resolved? Nothing. We could not negotiate with the Nazis on genocide, they needed to be erradicated. i think the same holds true for islamicterrorism. The concept that the US should be lead this diplomtic effort and over time our enemies will become our friends, holds no water, we have in the past (carter/clinton peace talks) and it got us and the region no where. |
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I just got an invite to fish Boston Harbor at noon with a client. Although the back and forth was fun, I have to see about a fish. |
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In the process there's a lot of risk that this could explode into something much bigger. That is the issue... Quote:
But again, it's a bigger issue than just the two people...and that's the problem. The US has used our UN veto repeatedly to hide Israeli actions that most people would think unreasonable or illegal. At the same time neighboring Arab and Persian states have used the Palestenians in a proxy war vs Jewish and Western interests. Personally I think a third party solution is the only way...but... -spence |
Could be, but I'm not sure how an impartial 3rd party can be....eskimos?
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If these people only spent as much time talking about thier problem as you guys have they might make headway.
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truth is we're no closer at coming to an answer either! |
Spence is right, the US needs to do much more about the current situation with Isreal. We need to say to the entire world that the US Supports Isreal 100% and send all the weapons Isreal needs to wipe out those murdering Hamas and Hezballa thugs. Its thats simple, the war has started and there's no turning back, you either support Isreal and them defending thier people, or you support Hamas and Hezballah. I know what side i'm on.
Anyone notice how quick it took for the UN to condem Isreal? Yet the UN refuses to condem North Korea and Iran? Or even freakin Hamas or Hezballa for that matter. Its ALL Isreal fault according to the UN. Just goes to show how useless the UN are. Thank God the US supports Isreal 100% while they defend their homeland from murderous terroists. Sadly the UN just doesnt care if Isreal gets wiped off the map.... |
I have the answer!! Spence just likes shoveling %$%$%$%$ into the fan to see where the spots land!! Spence is what you call an educated CLOWN!!!
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Here is a good editorial which I agree with http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-366373c.html |
another good read:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/idea...p-366369c.html |
I read a great book a few years ago about a huge battle that took place in Vietnam in 1965. The gist of the whole story was how unbeatable the North Vietnamese Army was under the command of General Giap. One thing that I gleaned and has stuck with me was the question, "how can you beat an army that has been at war for seven hundred years and the soldiers live in the jungle on a handful of rice a day?" In a different way but in the same regard meant in the book about the Vietnam war the same can be said for the desert dwellers of the middle east and thier war of a couple of thousand years. Some of these people know no other way of life, other than conflict. And they never have any expectation of living any other way!
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The State Department is urging restraint and even Bush is asking Israel to minimize collateral damage. The problem is a bit more complicated than a steamlined "kill 'em all" approach. -spence |
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Unfortunately for Uffah!! the liberal squishy stuff like women's rights, poverty and free trade are some of the most powerful issues that can be used to fight terrorisim. -spence |
Australian Leftists Perspective
I am not anti Israel just posting someone elses article to show how complex the situation is in a world view...Skittah |
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I think the website from wich that article came from says it all....greenleft.org!
Its the same extreme left view point we see in this country. You know, Isreal is the terroist nation and those sweet, kind Palestinian folks just want to live in peace and not harm anyone. Of course, they never mention Hamas and Hezzbalah raising thier kids to hate and kill jews, to strap bombs on themselves and blow up bus loads of Isreali children. When Isreal strikes, they go after military targets only, and targets of stategic importance, like the Airport in Beiruit, this way no weapons can be flown in or out. Hamas and Hezzballah DIRECTLY TARGET CHILDREN AND INNOCENTS. And thats all you need to know. They are total scum bags and thank god Isreal is finally fed up with thier Bull%$%$%$%$ and taking some serious action. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. God bless Isreal, and those Hamas and Hezzbala pricks can all rot in hell and die a slow death for all i care. They're all scum and should be treated as such. Diplomacy has failed for years, Its not going to work, if Isreal thinks this is the only way to protect its people then god bless them, take out the thugs. YOU CANT HAVE DIPLOMACY WITH PEOPLE WHO ONLY WANT TO SEE YOU DEAD! Its sounds all warm and fuzzy to think diplomacy can happen, but it cant, and it wont. We all know this, who are we kidding? How freakin hard is that for Liberals to understand!?!?! Hamas and Hezzbalah dont want peace, they only want dead Jews. Wake up you brain dead liberals. |
those are some intersting points from a socialist that lives on an island and whose country has some of the most stringent immigrant and vistor screenings in the world. What worries does Austrailia have?
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You seem to have a very blanket view of the situation. Either Israel is always right, or always wrong... That's just not how the world works. -spence |
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Checked the price of oil today Skippy??? -spence |
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What has diplomacy settled over the past decade or two? Nothing, Isrealis are still getting slaughtered and now they've had enough. We here in the US would do the same if we were in thier situation. I should hope so anyway, i'd hate to have a president affter say 9/11, sit back and do nothing just so Americans can save 50 cents a gallon on gas. Im sorry but thats insane |
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Isreal or Hezzbala? You and Spence tell me who's side your on right now? God i hope not the side many of us on this board think.....Please prove us wrong! |
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You`re insane....pick a side??? My posts are about whats going on in the world....not about who is right or wrong.You only deserve the monkey picture.
And.......I`ve had balls since I was born....long before you. Buh Bye :wave: |
Actually the monkey and this
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Pronounced: THOR-ah-zeen Generic name: Chlorpromazine Why is this drug prescribed? Return to top Thorazine is used for the treatment of schizophrenia (severe disruptions in thought and perception). It is also prescribed for the short-term treatment of severe behavioral disorders in children, including explosive hyperactivity and combativeness; and for the hyperenergetic phase of manic-depressive illness (severely exaggerated moods). |
Skitter...you're just realizing this now?
If Israel jumped off a cliff, Skippy wouldn't be far behind :laugha: What's pathetic is how these issues turn people like Skippy into America haters out to divide the country because they're too weak to address the real issues. -spence |
Interesting how some people can choose to remain neutral when a friend of America is fighting a sworn enemy of America.
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