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Jim in CT 05-26-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1101209)
The report states that she acted without permission, did not ask to have her own server, and if she did, they would have said no.

Irrelevent details, a fabrication that is part of the vast right wing conspiracy (likely funded by the Koch brothers) to take her down.

spence 05-26-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1101209)
The report states that she acted without permission, did not ask to have her own server, and if she did, they would have said no.

That doesn't necessarily make it a violation, it's a grey area they cleaned up after she left. The report also states that John Kerry is the first Sec State to have a state.gov address.

The Dad Fisherman 05-26-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101216)
That doesn't necessarily make it a violation, it's a grey area they cleaned up after she left.

How about a violation of Common Sense...
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The Dad Fisherman 05-26-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101216)
The report also states that John Kerry is the first Sec State to have a state.gov address.

Moot.....
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JohnR 05-27-2016 07:36 AM

Spence:

Significant Hillary FanBoy, Andrea Mitchell, even sounds like she is debating against you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CeuYStd3s

detbuch 06-01-2016 07:20 AM

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/20...tm_campaign=nl

The article ends with:

Now that a non-partisan source has said Clinton broke the rules, it will descend into, “Ok, she may have technically violated the rules but she didn’t do anything illegal!” Let’s see how long it takes before that sets in.


I think Spence had already set it in long before the article was written.

buckman 06-13-2016 05:44 AM

Maybe if the FBI wasnt overburdened with Hillary's criminal investigation things would be different in Orlando......
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spence 06-13-2016 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102297)
Maybe if the FBI wasnt overburdened with Hillary's criminal investigation things would be different in Orlando......
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What would compel you to make such a reprehensible remark?

buckman 06-13-2016 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1102298)
What would compel you to make such a reprehensible remark?

Isn't it infuriating when someone makes an illogical connection ?
I think I'm becoming liberal
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The Dad Fisherman 06-13-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102300)
I think I'm becoming liberal
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Well, at least you'll never be accused of being a racist :hihi:
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spence 06-13-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102300)
Isn't it infuriating when someone makes an illogical connection ?
I think I'm becoming liberal
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Deplorable.
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Jim in CT 06-13-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1102304)
Well, at least you'll never be accused of being a racist :hihi:
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Nor will you ever be asked to accept responsibility for anything you do...

Slipknot 07-05-2016 10:44 AM

FBI drops the ball IMO

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-d...ns-emails.html

as her path is fixed by corruption plain as day

spence 07-05-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1103677)
FBI drops the ball IMO

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-d...ns-emails.html

as her path is fixed by corruption plain as day

How can you suggest charges when there isn't a case you can prosecute?

Most important is it looks like there was no evidence of mal intent or attempts to cover anything up.

Slipknot 07-05-2016 10:50 AM

inappropriate and negligent
if it were anyone else, they would be fired, fined and in jail

it's up to prosecutors now

spence 07-05-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1103679)
it's up to prosecutors now

Huh? Legally speaking this story is dead.

JohnR 07-05-2016 11:02 AM

I listened to the press conference, I will post the transcript later and highlight key items. Had ANYONE else done that than the political uber elite they would have been prosecuted.

There will be significant protesting form the Intelligence Community.

The FBI has said either :

Nobody will be prosecuted for mishandling intelligence information if you say it was not intentional

or

The rules still apply to the peasants.

Both have significant, negative impacts on information storage.

Any thoughts on a 3rd possibility - those of you with a Security clearance (that can comment?)

buckman 07-05-2016 11:10 AM

And we are left to believe that this is just another situation of blaring incompetence and carelessness where nobody will be held accountable. Status quo for this administration
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Jim in CT 07-05-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103680)
Huh? Legally speaking this story is dead.

Yep. It's worth noting that the FBI doesn't have a history of being overly political. I think it was worth doing the investigation, you have to investigate to determine whether or not any laws were broken.

JohnR 07-05-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103685)
Yep. It's worth noting that the FBI doesn't have a history of being overly political. I think it was worth doing the investigation, you have to investigate to determine whether or not any laws were broken.


Laws were broken, they just apply to the little people.

Jim in CT 07-05-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1103686)
Laws were broken, they just apply to the little people.

I don't know NEARLY enough about the technical stuff to conclude, for myself, if laws were broken, of if she received preferential treatment. This FBI director is known as being a straight shooter (I think). I had long ago accurately concluded about the character of this woman and her husband, this does very little to move the needle either way for me.

The FBI did say she was extremely careless in her handling of sensitive material. Is that who we want as POTUS when, whether she will say it or not, the civilized world is at war with jihadists? In a fair world, having the FBI say that you can't be trusted to handle sensitive intelligence, should be more than enough to lead people to conclude that she isn't nearly up for the job. She doesn't have the brains, she doesn't have the character.

And the fact that the FBI would release this, right after her husband had a secret meeting with the AG, is mind-boggling. The optics could not be more sleazy.

She's a moron, and she's morally bankrupt. I knew that already, and if anything, the outcome of this scandal (the latest of many) cements that.

Fishpart 07-05-2016 11:40 AM

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

JohnR 07-05-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishpart (Post 1103689)
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.


Makes you wonder if this is the time, dunnit

DZ 07-05-2016 12:17 PM

I never thought that criminal charges would stick in this case. That said, based on Comey's scathing report on Hillary's carelessness her security clearance should be revoked at the very least. Any other government executive or employee would lose their clearance in a case like this for sure.

Jim in CT 07-05-2016 02:49 PM

I just listened to the FBI briefing. The director said explicitly, that they found dozens of emails that were flagged as classified (or something like that) at the time she sent them to her personal server. Again, I'm not expert on these things, but doesn't that mean she lied? Hasn't her defense been all along, that she sent nothing that was classified at the time it was sent?

buckman 07-05-2016 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103697)
I just listened to the FBI briefing. The director said explicitly, that they found dozens of emails that were flagged as classified (or something like that) at the time she sent them to her personal server. Again, I'm not expert on these things, but doesn't that mean she lied? Hasn't her defense been all along, that she sent nothing that was classified at the time it was sent?

Read the transcript of the FBI directors announcement.
It was an indictment of her character and judgment.
She also lied about most things , including whether they were classified as top-secret or classified at the time they were sent ( well over 100 ) and the FBI found thousands of more emails that were work related that were not released by Hillary .
He even said that with the given evidence, anybody else could face charges.
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spence 07-05-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103697)
I just listened to the FBI briefing. The director said explicitly, that they found dozens of emails that were flagged as classified (or something like that) at the time she sent them to her personal server. Again, I'm not expert on these things, but doesn't that mean she lied? Hasn't her defense been all along, that she sent nothing that was classified at the time it was sent?

Not necessarily, you could easily pass along an email thread containing classified information without even knowing it.

I've read that one "should have known" incident was discussing a public NYT article about drone strikes simply because the drone program was classified. Big whoop...

I'm glad they did the detailed investigationand that they found no evidence of intentional wrongdoing or cover up...conspiracy theories be dammed. You should also put the FBI comments on context of the IG report calling out lax information handling at State well before Clinton.

Fundamentally there's not a lot of new info here aside from the fact that the issue isn't worthy of prosecution...

spence 07-05-2016 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1103681)
The FBI has said either :

Nobody will be prosecuted for mishandling intelligence information if you say it was not intentional

or

The rules still apply to the peasants.

So can you inform us of all the significant cases where "peasants" were prosecuted for unintentional mishandling of intelligence information?

JohnR 07-05-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103708)
So can you inform us of all the significant cases where "peasants" were prosecuted for unintentional mishandling of intelligence information?


Here ya go - I know you will find problems with it though

http://www.navytimes.com/story/milit...lker/30907091/

spence 07-05-2016 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1103710)
Here ya go - I know you will find problems with it though

http://www.navytimes.com/story/milit...lker/30907091/

Because I like you I'll give you a mulligan. This is your oppy to bring some game...do it!


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