i high end mercedes is better than a honda accord. but to many people, it’s not worth the extra cost.

i’m nothing close to a one trick pony. i care about taxes and what you get in return. that’s what most people care about. and many are deciding that blue states aren’t worth the cost.
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taxes AND what you get in return. not just taxes. i don’t always lol for cheapest price. But most people
look for the best value. cost is one part of value, not the only part.

If you can’t concede that cost and benefit are two different things, you have issues.

Not just taxes. Taxes, combines with an honest discussion of what one gets in return.

Sure you are, you only name taxes as the reason people are leaving while ignoring other things. I agree people are leaving for lower taxes (and other reasons like weather) and many of them are the older folks who made their $ in the better blue states and have no need/care for the better schools, etc. in the blue states so the crappy schools in the red states don't matter to them. They can still get their gov. sponsored and funded health ins. no matter where they live.

Imagine how much worse those red states would be if there wasn't that transfer of many billions of blue state taxes to the poor red states every month.

paul there are beautiful suburbs in NH ( Hollis, Brookline, Bedford, Amherst, Bow) where they can’t build $600,000 houses fast enough, with the best public schools in the state.

NH has no income tax, no sales tax. Over 40 years, that’s over 200k in savings to many families. in my case it’s probably close to 300k.

What am i getting in CT, that i wouldn’t get if i lived in NH? What’s the state of CT doing for me that’s worth $300k more than what is get i. NH?

The university of NH is cheaper than UCONN as well.

Please tell me what i’m getting for all that extra cost? Because i can’t think of anything.

Many people are coming to the same realization.

You think social services are well
funded in. CT? ask someone who works for DCF how much their funding has been cut.
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paul there are beautiful suburbs in NH ( Hollis, Brookline, Bedford, Amherst, Bow) where they can’t build $600,000

Their mostly residents who work in mass ! corrections officers have doing for years .. I know many who it just like I know many who live in RI and work in Mass prisons better pay and benefits then Ri. We call these border towns mass settlements and mass residents have drove the mile to also buy cigarettes and booze in NH

But no one is moving to NH for jobs. That’s the Truth
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show me the data please, which says most people in all those areas work in Mass. Because you made it up.

Liberty Mutual has TONS of jobs in NH. Tons of data science and white collar jobs. You just make chit up.

And now, most white collar jobs can be done at home. People can work and live anywhere, which will
lead to many more people
leaving blue states for red states. It’s just beginning.
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Which proves my point. That the opportunities are much much better for the educated in the blues states. If you wanted to succeed you needed to be in the blue states which taxed their residents and used the $ for schools/infrastructure, etc. That was reflected in the much much higher GDP per capita. Tech (WFH) may help the red states somewhat but they still will have a lot of shortcomings due to not having the $ to improve things (although the richer blue cites/counties will be better off than the red counties).

More than 100 thousand New Hampshire residents work in Massachusetts.
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good grief,,,,,

probably cease to exist....

there’s no white collar jobs in charlotte NC. None.
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the condescension is amazing...

"opportunities are much much better for the educated in the blues states"

Tell that to everyone working in Atlanta and Charlotte NC.

Paul, there are places in red states where I'd NEVER want to live. But there are also places in red states that are very cheap and have a high quality of life. There are exactly zero places in blue states (that I know of) which are very cheap and offer a good quality of life for normal families.

Can you name one nice suburb in a liberal state, which has super low taxes and yet offers a high quality of life? Places like Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Dallas, etc??? I don't know of one single such place. Can you name any?

Historically, large companies had reasons to locate in big cities, which tend to be liberal. Nowadays, people and companies are making different choices.

Equal parts condescension and denial.

of course there is. It is a blue city so its economy drives that whole NC region.

You're asking about the liberal cities? They have some of the highest quality of life in the red states. NC is equally divided 1/3 R, D and Ind. The legislature is gerrymandered to be red.

You keep naming liberal cities and using those as examples of places with high quality of life but are unable to show red states that lead the country in the "good" (like Pete and I have) categories other than low taxes.

typical snarky comeback.

Yet you deny that the quality of life is better in the blue states/counties than the red states.

I asked you what i get in CT from the state,,which I wouldn’t get in NH or NC. Seems like a very obvious question. Did you answer?

Quality of life might be better in blue states, i don’t deny that, but only if you have the money to pay the exorbitant price tag. The question is, is the improvement in quality of life in blue states, worth the cost of living in blue states? A huge number of americans believe the answer is no, and they are moving as a result.
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for the third time. please list some places to live in blue states, which offer a high quality of life with very low taxes.

I can name many places in red states that fit that exact description. Can you name any places in any blue states that fit that description?

Seems like you’re doing everything you can to avoid answering. Gee, I wonder why?
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For the average person living in Ct they are better off bc of more services. Some (you but not everyone is an actuary) it might not be. You can move to the "best" city (prob. liberal or close to a major liberal city) in a red state and pay to live in a town whose taxes are higher and has better schools. Salaries for many are higher in Ct bc of higher cost of living and I think the aver. higher sal. out weights the aver. higher tax burden.

what services, specifically, would
an average person need and get in CT, that they wouldn’t get in NH?
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Jim, do you realize CT has a higher percentage of conservatives than NH which even has more liberals.
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show me the data please, which says most people in all those areas work in Mass. Because you made it up.

About 16 Percent of New Hampshire Residents Work in Massachusetts
October 15, 2017

If you commute to Mass., you’ve got 123,000 colleagues

Commuter Central: New Hampshire Towns that Border Massachusetts
Friday, May 29th, 2020Verani Realty

Its only gotten worse. Do you ever do any research?

Ya ok keep believing in your fantasy

I live here

It’s the same for towns outside of Boston once commuter rail trains stations were built house prices doubled.
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MAGA y MAGA

Marjorie Taylor Greene: “There are so many people who don’t vote Republican because Republicans don’t do what they say.”
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you said “most” NH residents in the towns i mentioned ( including Bow, which is upstate), work in Mass.

is 16% “most”? are you that bad at math?
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leftists need a lot of services...

quality of life is subjective....

but he can’t even say what they are.

people ate realizing that the blue states aren’t worth the cost. Telecommuting will exacerbate that.
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like Starbucks :rotf2:

Like i said do you do any research
Bow is not up state

Why you would use this example it’s far from random ,

Bow NH has a massive population of 8299 is an hour from Boston and 94% white median home 446k. Total number of homes and apartments 2731

And from 2000 to 2001 total appreciation was 92.8 % There #1 in NH and 4th in the nation

Yep you destroyed the 15% of of NH residents commute to MA


Exeter is a medium-sized town located in the state of New Hampshire. With a population of 16,049 people and three constituent neighborhoods, Exeter is the 18th largest community in New Hampshire.

MEDIAN HOME VALUE:
$467,105

NUMBER OF HOMES AND APARTMENTS:
6,693

Since 2000:
2000 Q1 - 2022 Q1 101.62 TOTAL APPRECIATION And 2 nd in the state 5th in the nation

This is from NH government they also must be making stuff up! It’s always the case when your suggestion fall apart


Nearly all (94.6 percent) New Hampshire residents who commute out‐of‐state travel to work in one of the three bordering states.
 Among those New Hampshire residents who leave the state for work, 78.6 percent travel to Massachusetts, 8.5 percent travel to work in Vermont, and 7.5 percent travel to work in Maine.
 Just over 300 resident
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you said “most” in those towns work in Mass. then you posted that 16% work in Mass.

Is 16% most? or is it a small
minority?

you lied. and you showed us how mad you are at math.

you’re proving my point. places like Bow are booming because people
realize they don’t need to pay blue state taxes to have a great quality of life. Bow is proof of that.

you exactly made my point for
me, unless you can show that everyone in Bow works in Mass.

Bow is 70 miles from boston. i’d like to see you do that in an hour during rush hour. you got one thing right, it’s not upstate, i was wrong. everything else you got wrong.
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Jim’s trying to prove his point by claiming that a state where every politician D or R takes the “Pledge” and that went Biden in 2020 is staunchly Republican.
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NH has no state sales tax, and no state income tax. So i’m pretty comfortable saying the state there runs itself as a right leaning place. I never said it was OK or SC.

Yet they create a quality of life in NH that’s so desirable, that a tiny town there has one of the hottest real
estate markets in the country.

My point is this…you don’t always get what you pay for. The statistics that WDMSO posted prove my point precisely.

Naturally you responded to something that i never said. Because even as stupid as you are. you know i’m right.

What services are the “average” people living in NH not getting, that i get in CT thanks to the much higher taxes i pay?

none of you can name a single thing we get for that extra $$ in CT.
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talk about moving the goalposts.

First you said most NH residents in those towns work in Mass.

Now you’re saying that among NH residents who work out of state, most work in a neighboring state.

No sh*t, Sherlock. I never said people in NH work in Alaska.

16% isn’t most wayne. it’s an exception, not the rule.

NH is a cheap place, yet people
want to live there.

Please name one liberal state that has nice towns to live in, with very low state and local taxes? Please name just one.
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New Hampshire

The Political Climate in New Hampshire is Leaning liberal.

In New Hampshire 52.7% of the people voted for the Democratic Party in the last presidential election, 45.4% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.9% voted for an Independent Party.

In the last Presidential election, New Hampshire remained moderately Democratic, 52.7% to 45.4%.
New Hampshire voted Democratic in the last five Presidential elections, after voting Republican in 2000

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So you choose to ignore all the stats posted about red vs blue but want want me to compare 1 blue state with 1 purple?? state to try to prove disprove the volumes of stats presented.

You're an actuary (aren't you?). There are outliers for everything but the stats all show red states lag far behind blue states in almost all good categories and led in the bad categories.

Please name one liberal state that has nice towns to live in, with very low state and local taxes? Please name just one.

Yep still thinking people live where they live because of taxes and politics. But your not radicalized nope

you’re proving my point. places like Bow are booming because people
realize they don’t need to pay blue state taxes to have a great quality of life. Bow is proof of that.

Like I said you live in a fantasy you were fed a town that you thought fit your narrative that has a whopping 2777 homes

Even my town with its 7100 homes in 2000 Q1 - 2022 Q1 had TOTAL APPRECIATION 127.65%

what’s the old saying a rising tide floats all boats
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Bow was one town. I also
mentioned hollis, brookline, bedford, amherst. i also could have mentioned any of the suburbs of charlotte or nashville.

can you name one town in. liberal state that’s a cheap place to live and offers a high quality of life? insulting me doesn’t answer the question.

people don’t move directly for politics. but they move for cost versus value. red places offer better value, you can it snet that americans believe that, if you look at where they’re moving to.
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Meanwhile the party that claims to be for freedom in the past week has:
- 209 House Republicans voted against abortion rights
- 205 House Republicans voted against protecting interstate travel for reproductive care
- 195 House Republicans voted against protecting contraception access
- 157 House Republicans voted against marriage equality
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wouldn't abortion be the exact opposite of reproductive care? just curious....could we start euthanizing old people and call it geriatric care? I read that Canada is going to start euthanizing people for mental illness...so that's what?...psychiatric care?