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wdmso 12-28-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1219741)
so you are saying Russia annexed Crimea because they feared obama...they annexed/invaded nobody during the trump years because trump was a weak puppet of putin and now they are threatening to invade Ukraine because biden is a strong leader and they are terribly afraid...

makes sense to me:)

I am not surprised

No I have said Putin invaded Crimea because he wanted to

He’s afraid of Biden because he’s fixing the damage done to nato by you know who, who questioned NATO existence and Trump Told G7 Leaders That Crimea Is Russian Because Everyone Speaks Russian In Crimea .. with his enablers out of the White House ! now he needs to change gears..

And if Putin does invade Ukraine there is not military response Biden could make with out congressional approval.. but most conservatives want a tough guy response it their viagra ,, sanctioning Russia isn’t masculine enough

wdmso 12-28-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1219742)
this is your bias screaming....HELP

Even you have fallen to his Jedi mind trick

If you think Trumps behavior towards nato was intentional .

With the goal of strengthening NATO

wdmso 12-28-2021 09:56 AM

Russian court orders oldest civil rights group Memorial to shut

Curious timing

wdmso 12-28-2021 11:04 AM

Ric Grenell, former acting director of national intelligence, told Newsmax on Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ''smelling weakness'' from the U.S. and President Joe Biden regarding the situation in Ukraine.

''It's really a problem because Putin is seeing weakness. He's smelling weakness,'


Like I said it’s all the right is pushing :btu:

scottw 12-28-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219748)


He’s afraid of Biden......

:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:: rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

spence 12-30-2021 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1219664)
Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

Got Stripers 12-30-2021 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219857)
January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

Not to the right, who are trying every which way they can to regain or hold on to power.

Jim in CT 12-30-2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219857)
January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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The Dad Fisherman 12-30-2021 04:14 PM

Do as I say, not as I do
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Jim in CT 12-30-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1219861)
Do as I say, not as I do
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and both sides constantly do it, obviously, politics attracts the worst. but they’ll never admit it. never. they can’t. democrats are always right, republicans are always wrong, because life is just that simple.
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spence 12-30-2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219859)
and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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More false equivalencies :1poke:

detbuch 12-30-2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219863)
More false equivalencies :1poke:

More as in added to yours.

Jim in CT 12-30-2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219863)
More false equivalencies :1poke:

Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Pete F. 12-30-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219865)
Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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Jim in CT 12-30-2021 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219866)
Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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ok.

how about the left, after the 2016 election, asking electors to ignore the outcome of our democratic process, the left didn’t like the outcome, so they tried to change the outcome after a free election.

isn’t that pretty much what trump was asking for on january 6th?

have fun with that.

there are democrats in congress today, who objected to states’ electors casting their votes for trump after the 2016 election. but as always, it’s ok when they do it.
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spence 12-30-2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219865)
Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.

Quote:

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.
No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.

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the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.
Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.

:1poke:

Jim in CT 12-30-2021 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219869)
Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.


No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.


Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.

:1poke:

that whole post s a joke.

yes, superdelegates only matter in close primaries. but why not just trust the democrat voters? why do unelected superdelegates get to overrule the results of a free and fair election?

why was it ok when democrats asked electors not to cast their votes for trump? why wasn’t that undermining free and fair elections?

you can’t begin to make that wrong. lobbing baseless insults just proves my point.

everything is ok when democrats do it.
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Pete F. 12-30-2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219868)
ok.

how about the left, after the 2016 election, asking electors to ignore the outcome of our democratic process, the left didn’t like the outcome, so they tried to change the outcome after a free election.

isn’t that pretty much what trump was asking for on january 6th?

have fun with that.

there are democrats in congress today, who objected to states’ electors casting their votes for trump after the 2016 election. but as always, it’s ok when they do it.
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No, You’re wrong
It’s not fun, it’s the greatest threat to the constitution since the war between the states.
And let’s not forget Y’all are acting like you’ve never seen a 43 year old Governor who only won by 30k votes in a State with 21m people who he failed to protect from a deadly virus for 2 years so he could suck-up to MAGA base & imitate a septuagenarian grifter go missing for 2 weeks at Xmas before.
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Jim in CT 12-30-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219871)
No, You’re wrong
It’s not fun, it’s the greatest threat to the constitution since the war between the states.
And let’s not forget Y’all are acting like you’ve never seen a 43 year old Governor who only won by 30k votes in a State with 21m people who he failed to protect from a deadly virus for 2 years so he could suck-up to MAGA base & imitate a septuagenarian grifter go missing for 2 weeks at Xmas before.
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why is it wrong for trump to try and undermine an election, but no problem when democrats did it in 2016?you keep dancing around that, can’t imagine why.

you say desantis failed, but you won’t say that about Cuomo, whose numbers are worse despite having a fewer percentage of elderly.

You’re a thoughtless political hack. you are the exact, precise mirror image of sean hannity, you’re exactly as predictable as he is. Do you not see that? You’re the same parrot that he is.

So according to your side, Cuomo was the “gold standard “ in covid leadership. And even though Desantis has a lower death rate ( with more seniors and fewer lockdowns), he failed??

That just makes ALL KINDS of sense.

And huge numbers of people
are moving to FL. So America doesn’t agree with you, Pete. You’re scared sh*tless of Desantis, and it shows, and you’re right to be.


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Pete F. 12-30-2021 08:20 PM

Keep making up baloney
You tried to make primaries, which only exist in the realm of political parties equivalent to a general election.
Then you falsely claim some equivalence between Cuomo and DeathSantis
Poor victim
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Jim in CT 12-30-2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219874)
Keep making up baloney
You tried to make primaries, which only exist in the realm of political parties equivalent to a general election.
Then you falsely claim some equivalence between Cuomo and DeathSantis
Poor victim
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again, why was it so bad for trump to try and undermine the 2020 election, but no big deal when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election?

there is no equivalence between Cuomo and Desantis. Desantis did better, he had more seniors, he didn’t crush his states economy,,didn’t keep kids out of school as long, yet he has a lower death rate. That’s as clear as “winning” can be. Winning, winning, winning.

And huge numbers of new yorkers are fleeing to FL, and if weather was the only reason, they’d be going to CA instead of FL but they aren’t. They’re choosing FL in huge numbers.

Winning, winning, winning. And it’s eating at you!!!’
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Jim in CT 12-30-2021 08:42 PM

pete, enjoy…new yorkers moving to florida “in record numbers.”. record numbers. do you know what that means?



https://brooklyneagle.com/articles/2...y-census-data/
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Pete F. 12-31-2021 08:00 AM

Sure Jim,
I’m of an age where I have a lot of retired friends
Some have adopted Floriduh residency to escape income taxes, spend half the year plus a day there, still keep a home in the North.
Retirees don’t give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about education in Floriduh, their grandchildren aren’t there.
Just where’s DeathSantis anyway?
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Pete F. 12-31-2021 08:14 AM

Floriduh virus increased over the past two weeks by more than 1000%, winning the role as leader among the states.
DeathSantis has disappeared
Counties are overwhelmed w/ lines that stretch for miles, DeathSantis said FL will not open state run testing sites, @HealthyFla has basically declared the pandemic is over, and FL has over 46K COVID cases today. It’s every man/woman for themselves, because leadership is MIA.
Maybe he’ll blame it on Cuomo and all the New Yorkers who fled bringing Covid with them.
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Got Stripers 12-31-2021 08:46 AM

He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

wdmso 12-31-2021 10:32 AM

Back to Ukraine for a minute why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front towards Russia, when they know
Biden or Trump would have used force ..

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

that Russia would not be threatening to invade Ukraine if former President Donald Trump was still in office, attributing reports of their offensive to "weakness in the way that Biden has led."
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scottw 12-31-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219888)

why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front

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I remember when all of those leftist talking heads and congress members got behind trump....yeah...that was great.....

scottw 12-31-2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219888)

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

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I'm sure putin is even more afraid after their recent discussions...

wdmso 12-31-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1219890)
I remember when all of those leftist talking heads and congress members got behind trump....yeah...that was great.....

I know right! shame on the Democratic’s for not getting getting behind the Trump about a stolen election or support him giving North Korea legitimacy and Trumps bromance or get behind him that the virus is going to disappear or getting behind him that hydroxy works or getting behind Trump when he believes Putin over his own intel community

It’s always the same with conservatives it’s about owning the libs and cheering for the enemy to assist in embarrassing the current administration if possible
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scottw 12-31-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219894)

It’s always the same with conservatives it’s about owning the libs and cheering for the enemy to assist in embarrassing the current administration if possible

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you are hilarious.....

Jim in CT 12-31-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1219884)
He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

al those businesses and people
moving there have been fooled. that’s why everyone lives there, sees how awful it is, and returns to NY. right, Einstein?

did you ever criticize Gov Cuomo?
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scottw 12-31-2021 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1219884)

He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

not that bad apparently....

By BRIAN STIEGLITZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 02:40 EST, 31 December 2021

'Welcome to Florida, AOC!' NYC Rep. escapes Big Apple's restrictive COVID mandates to dine maskless in Miami - sparking Gov. DeSantis's office to congratulate her on 'enjoying a taste of freedom'
U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was seen having a maskless meal in Miami Beach, Florida, on Thursday
The outspoken progressive Democrat staunchly supports mask and vaccine mandates, despite the state foregoing them
Ocasio-Cortez was dragged on Twitter by conservatives joking about her strict stance on COVID protocols
'We hope you're enjoying a taste of freedom here in the Sunshine State thanks to @RonDeSantisFL's leadership,' the Team DeSantis account tweeted

Jim in CT 12-31-2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1219903)
not that bad apparently....

By BRIAN STIEGLITZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 02:40 EST, 31 December 2021

'Welcome to Florida, AOC!' NYC Rep. escapes Big Apple's restrictive COVID mandates to dine maskless in Miami - sparking Gov. DeSantis's office to congratulate her on 'enjoying a taste of freedom'
U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was seen having a maskless meal in Miami Beach, Florida, on Thursday
The outspoken progressive Democrat staunchly supports mask and vaccine mandates, despite the state foregoing them
Ocasio-Cortez was dragged on Twitter by conservatives joking about her strict stance on COVID protocols
'We hope you're enjoying a taste of freedom here in the Sunshine State thanks to @RonDeSantisFL's leadership,' the Team DeSantis account tweeted

AOC is partying in FL, while he says there are no covid survivors there. that’s too perfect.
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wdmso 12-31-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219902)
al those businesses and people
moving there have been fooled. that’s why everyone lives there, sees how awful it is, and returns to NY. right, Einstein?

did you ever criticize Gov Cuomo?
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Florida had the largest net migration gains in the country, a measurement of people moving in and out of the state. But it also had the biggest “natural” decrease in population, which involves comparing numbers of births and deaths.
OMG people moved out?

The Sunshine State’s growth rate during the year, 1.0%, was eighth highest. Idaho had the nation’s fastest growing population during the year, increasing by 2.9%, followed by Utah, Montana,

Idaho most are from California sell a house make a quick 600k or more move to Idaho build a nice house pocket the rest .. and still be a liberal what’s not to love ❤️


With over 31,000 migrants from Canada to Florida between 2005 and 2015, Florida saw more in-migration from Canada than Texas and New York combined!

Don’t tell Jim that ! He insist Everyone was moving to FLA to because they like conservatives
And don’t forget the 4.5 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 21 percent of the population. In FLA….
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Jim in CT 12-31-2021 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1219884)
He won't allow local health boards to release data, so who knows how bad FL really is, maybe Jim can go down for a couple weeks to get some real data.

AOC was photographed drinking without a mask in miami mensch this weekend.

what does that tell you? how concerned is she with Florida’s covid policies?

let’s change his name to governor death-sentence!!!
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Jim in CT 12-31-2021 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219913)
Florida had the largest net migration gains in the country, a measurement of people moving in and out of the state. But it also had the biggest “natural” decrease in population, which involves comparing numbers of births and deaths.
OMG people moved out?

The Sunshine State’s growth rate during the year, 1.0%, was eighth highest. Idaho had the nation’s fastest growing population during the year, increasing by 2.9%, followed by Utah, Montana,

Idaho most are from California sell a house make a quick 600k or more move to Idaho build a nice house pocket the rest .. and still be a liberal what’s not to love ❤️


With over 31,000 migrants from Canada to Florida between 2005 and 2015, Florida saw more in-migration from Canada than Texas and New York combined!

Don’t tell Jim that ! He insist Everyone was moving to FLA to because they like conservatives
And don’t forget the 4.5 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 21 percent of the population. In FLA….
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why are californians moving to a red state like Idaho? what makes idaho appealing, exactly?

i tel guy that migration from NY to FL is at a record high. your response, is that more people
nice from canada to FL.

so what? that does t begin to disprove my point.

blue states are going to be losing congressional seats. red states will be gaining.

i never said why people are moving to FL. i said it can’t only be climate, be sure southern CA had warm climates too. had to be something else.


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spence 12-31-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219915)
why are californians moving to a red state like Idaho? what makes idaho appealing, exactly?
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Potatoes, lots of them.

Jim in CT 12-31-2021 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219916)
Potatoes, lots of them.

can’t answer seriously, eh?

wealthy liberals like to enjoy the obvious benefits of well run conservative states ( not all conservative states are well run obviously). those liberals deny those benefits to their own constituents, but they grab those rewards with both hands for themselves.


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spence 12-31-2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219917)
wealthy liberals like to enjoy the obvious benefits of well run conservative states ( not all conservative states are well run obviously). those liberals deny those benefits to their own constituents, but they grab those rewards with both hands for themselves.

Actually a lot of them just want to get away from traffic.

Jim in CT 12-31-2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1219918)
Actually a lot of them just want to get away from traffic.

and there arent any liberal places with no traffic? why not remote VT?

desperately searching for an answer that fits your narrative?

the truth is they want to go to places that are cheap. the vast majority of cheap places,, are conservative.
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