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Pete F. 09-28-2020 10:44 AM

If the NYT story is "fake news," Trump can prove it by releasing just one page of his 2016 and '17 returns, that critical last page of Form 1040 that includes his signature and total tax paid.

One page, & he could thoroughly humiliate the media. He won't, and we all know why.
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wdmso 09-28-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1201728)
“The tax returns also suggest that Trump’s desperation to stay in office is sparked by the 1973 Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel memo saying a sitting president cannot be indicted. Former inspector general of the Department of Justice Michael Bromwich tweeted “Trump knew something we didn't when he started balking at the peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election, he faces federal and state prosecution for bank fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and mail fraud, as does his entire family. No OLC memo will spare him.”

Heather Cox Richardson
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:agree:

wdmso 09-28-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201738)
or it might mean that's all he owed because he had a loss to offset his income.

If he cheated, that's one thing. If he paid what the law said he owed, big whoop.

Classic response :faga:

Jim in CT 09-28-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1201745)
Classic response :faga:

wayne, knowing what he paid, doesn’t suggest a crime.

do you understand it’s possible to
follow the law to the letter, and pay no federal income tax?

you can pay $0 and follow the law, you can pay $10 million and be a tax cheat. it’s what you pay, relative to what you owe.

is that going too fast for you? show us he owes more, and i’ll be the first to say he should
go. i don’t like the guy.
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Pete F. 09-28-2020 12:27 PM

Meanwhile
Parscale being under investigation by the FEC for $170 mill in money laundering, combined with this Channel 4 news story showing that Trump's campaign has had a database on every American of voting age since 2016 that categorized Black Americans as "Deterrence," explains a lot about Parscale’s meltdown
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detbuch 09-28-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201750)
Meanwhile
Parscale being under investigation by the FEC for $170 mill in money laundering, combined with this Channel 4 news story showing that Trump's campaign has had a database on every American of voting age since 2016 that categorized Black Americans as "Deterrence," explains a lot about Parscale’s meltdown
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Meanwhile
Since you've been barred from starting threads, you manage to sneak around the ban by inserting your would be thread into other threads. Sort of living off of and milking the life out of the host. You're a sort of thread virus.

RickBomba 09-28-2020 01:01 PM

$70 grand in haircuts. What a sucker! He should get a free bowl of soup with that haircut.
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Pete F. 09-28-2020 01:07 PM

What I’ve been saying since Trump came down the escalator is proving to be true.
Tell us again how he’s a great businessman and everyone is picking on him.

Has it occurred to anyone, that once he is out of office, Trump tries to pay off his massive debts by selling US secrets to our foreign adversaries? Has he been doing that already???

Trump tried to stage the G7 and British Open at his resorts. Both schemes blew up in his face, raising the issue of why someone as rich as he claims to be would engage in such blatant profiteering.

Now we know the answer.
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detbuch 09-28-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201758)
What I’ve been saying since Trump came down the escalator is proving to be true.
Tell us again how he’s a great businessman and everyone is picking on him.

Has it occurred to anyone, that once he is out of office, Trump tries to pay off his massive debts by selling US secrets to our foreign adversaries? Has he been doing that already???

Trump tried to stage the G7 and British Open at his resorts. Both schemes blew up in his face, raising the issue of why someone as rich as he claims to be would engage in such blatant profiteering.

Now we know the answer.
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A whole lot of extreme, outlandish, even hateful stuff occurs to you. So far, a lot, if not most of it, remains in the maybe, purely conjectural, quite possibly doubtful, stage. A lot of it has been debunked.

Pete F. 09-28-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201740)
If the NYT story is "fake news," Trump can prove it by releasing just one page of his 2016 and '17 returns, that critical last page of Form 1040 that includes his signature and total tax paid.

One page, & he could thoroughly humiliate the media. He won't, and we all know why.
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Explain why he won’t, he claims he’ll release a “statement” but not a legal document
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wdmso 09-28-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201746)
wayne, knowing what he paid, doesn’t suggest a crime.

do you understand it’s possible to
follow the law to the letter, and pay no federal income tax?

you can pay $0 and follow the law, you can pay $10 million and be a tax cheat. it’s what you pay, relative to what you owe.

is that going too fast for you? show us he owes more, and i’ll be the first to say he should
go. i don’t like the guy.
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excuses after excuses seem you've complained a-lot about those who you say pay no taxes , like the elderly or students who get all their taxes in a refund ,,, but you champion Trump for paying no taxes what happen to draining the swamp ...

These are the reason their is a swamp because its good for rich people to game the system ,bad for regular Americans .

again your lack of ethics and no demand for general fairness speaks volumes about your views

if he didn't do anything illegal I am good with it you say ... but you have no wiliness to have it investigated or demand he provides his tax returns
again using he"s not required by Law .. BS

Trump is the Swamp its about time you accept it

detbuch 09-28-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201772)
Explain why he won’t, he claims he’ll release a “statement” but not a legal document
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NYT won't release who illegally shared the alleged Trump tax info. Why should we trust criminals or a news agency which feeds off of these anonymous criminals? Especially since a lot of the info in the history of this news org. proved to be false or misleading (especially in the past 4 years)? And a news agency that is blatantly political? A news agency that downplays or ignores info that contradicts its political narratives? A news agency of which a NY Post columnist recently said

"The mission is obvious: The Times aims to elect left-wing Democrats to virtually every office in the land and transform America culturally, educationally and politically. As such, it operates as the chief cheerleader for the left, and one result is that many of its readers buy it because they agree with its politics. Specifically, they like the Times because they believe the paper hates President Trump as much as it does."

The NYT probably had this illegally disseminated info for a while but strategically held it for an occasion such as just before the first debate. And to add to all its other "bombshells" in time to persuade the newly legitimized early voters to cast their votes before the possible Durham and DOJ bombshells which will probably show the dirty FBI mission to illegally remove Trump.

It doesn't matter that this new "bombshell" doesn't reveal criminal activity. It only matters that it may influence votes against Trump. Especially, again, influence early voters before any more Durham material comes out.

Pete F. 09-28-2020 03:06 PM

That’s a whole bunch of conjecture with zero facts
The NYTs reporting matches the documents they received from legal sources to publicly available documents.
And claiming that it’s patently false because a rightwing rag with hardly a sterling reputation says so is status quo for you.
As far as Durham goes, active investigations don’t have reports.
Prosecutors don’t write reports.
Durham isn’t writing a report.
He has to get indictments through grand juries....or plea deals.
It took Durham 10 months to get a plea deal on Clinesmith, after his lawyer asked for the deal. Gift wrapped.
So take a deep breath
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falkners 09-28-2020 03:17 PM

At least the orange jumpsuit they have waiting for him will match his fake spray on tan.
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Got Stripers 09-28-2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201738)
or it might mean that's all he owed because he had a loss to offset his income.

If he cheated, that's one thing. If he paid what the law said he owed, big whoop.

Big whoop really? So Trump personally is on the hook soon for what many say is closer to over a billion and his businesses are tanking just like everyone else in that sector, he is a national security risk! Foreign governments are watching this reporting and making notes, DJT is now a target and mark. He would be the PERFECT asset for one of our long time enemies.

The threat to our security doesn’t go away if he isn’t elected, in fact it probably grows short term as now he would be willing to sell what he knows to the highest bidder, if you don’t think this is serious your head is either stuck in the sand or up your own arse.

Jim in CT 09-28-2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201785)
Big whoop really? So Trump personally is on the hook soon for what many say is closer to over a billion and his businesses are tanking just like everyone else in that sector, he is a national security risk! Foreign governments are watching this reporting and making notes, DJT is now a target and mark. He would be the PERFECT asset for one of our long time enemies.

The threat to our security doesn’t go away if he isn’t elected, in fact it probably grows short term as now he would be willing to sell what he knows to the highest bidder, if you don’t think this is serious your head is either stuck in the sand or up your own arse.

here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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RIROCKHOUND 09-28-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201787)
here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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You missed the point of Bob’s post you quoted.... The owed liability is the main concern. The $750 is a sign of the overall #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up tax code
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Got Stripers 09-28-2020 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201787)
here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.

spence 09-28-2020 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201789)
Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.

Dude, he already is, foreign governments don't even have to extort him, it's self service.

Jim in CT 09-28-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201789)
Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.

sure, he might. and biden might get a scam phone call targeting demented seniors, and hand over the US Mint. you want to impeach him for something he might do?
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detbuch 09-28-2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201783)
That’s a whole bunch of conjecture with zero facts

It's a fact that the NYT did not reveal the source of their info

The NYTs reporting matches the documents they received from legal sources to publicly available documents.

We don't know that the "sources" were legal. The Times won't give us the "sources." And if they were legal, we don't know if their giving the info to the Times was legal. You want Trump to reveal his taxes to prove he did nothing illegal or unethical, but you're OK with the NYT not proving that they obtained their info legally by revealing the source.

And only portions of the documents match public available documents. But so what? No illegality was uncovered. Nor was any tax fraud proven. Just some supposedly distasteful stuff to try to make Trump look like a cheat.

This anonymous sources bit has been a pattern in trying to get Trump. It, rightly, creates suspicion and distrust. Especially with an agency that is so blatantly political as the NYT.


And claiming that it’s patently false because a rightwing rag with hardly a sterling reputation says so is status quo for you.

I didn't say it was patently false. There you go putting words in my mouth. I quoted a "rag," as you put it, characterizing another rag, the NYT to demonstrate that distrust of the NYT is not an aberration. A lot of people don't trust that rag.

As far as Durham goes, active investigations don’t have reports.
Prosecutors don’t write reports.
Durham isn’t writing a report.
He has to get indictments through grand juries....or plea deals.
It took Durham 10 months to get a plea deal on Clinesmith, after his lawyer asked for the deal. Gift wrapped.
So take a deep breath
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I didn't say there were reports. I said "the possible Durham and DOJ bombshells which will probably show the dirty FBI mission to illegally remove Trump." Any DOJ or Durham or Senate investigation findings or indictments will be made public. And it would be beneficial for the Dems and for Anti-Trump rags to disseminate as much innuendo, if not proven fact, as possible before the election and especially to influence early votes to be cast on the basis of anti-Trump "bombshells" before any info that is anti-Biden or pro-Trump is revealed by any ongoing investigation and so will be too late to change those votes already cast. I wouldn't be surprised if that were one of the motives to make massive or universal early voting available.

Got Stripers 09-28-2020 04:49 PM

Wow Jim it’s hard to respond to such intelligent and thoughtful a response, if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him like flies on dog crap. You keep believing, it’s what makes me feel sorry for you to be duped by this con man.

RIROCKHOUND 09-28-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201791)
sure, he might. and biden might get a scam phone call targeting demented seniors, and hand over the US Mint. you want to impeach him for something he might do?
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Impeach, no. Not re-elect he’ll yes.
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Got Stripers 09-28-2020 04:58 PM

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Impeach, no. Not re-elect he’ll yes.
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If you re-elect your tax dollars will go to hair care.

Jim in CT 09-28-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201793)
Wow Jim it’s hard to respond to such intelligent and thoughtful a response, if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him

is he a russian oligarch??

every single poll has biden ahead. you don’t all need to go bonkers now.

i thought trumps MO was to just declare bankruptcy and screw his creditors, not to resort to crimes punishable by death. why is he still not taking a salary?
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scottw 09-28-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201796)

you don’t all need to go bonkers now.

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now?...how bout' every day for 4 years....

scottw 09-28-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201793)

if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him like flies on dog crap.

where do you get this nonsense?

spence 09-28-2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201796)
why is he still not taking a salary?
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It was just a campaign stunt to play off his wealth which must be because a very large brain. Now we know (well we already knew) he's either a massive tax cheat or one of the worst businessmen in the US.

scottw 09-28-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1201788)

You missed the point of Bob’s post you quoted....

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it was biased fantasy built on speculation reinforced by unnamed sources and fueled by hopeful spite....good point

Got Stripers 09-28-2020 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1201799)
where do you get this nonsense?

Boy I really thought you two were smarter, how do you think our CIA, the KGB and other governments obtain assets, they turn people that are in trouble and nothing spells trouble better that a half billion of personally guaranteed loans coming due. Stay with me now, never said he was Russian, point was if he were and owed that much he’d be a choice target for the CIA. Sad that went over your heads, I’m going to have to dumb it down.

spence 09-28-2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201802)
Boy I really thought you two were smarter, how do you think our CIA, the KGB and other governments obtain assets, they turn people that are in trouble and nothing spells trouble better that a half billion of personally guaranteed loans coming due. Stay with me now, never said he was Russian, point was if he were and owed that much he’d be a choice target for the CIA. Sad that went over your heads, I’m going to have to dumb it down.

And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

scottw 09-28-2020 05:45 PM

great thing about these fools is that they never learn...

"The article had repercussions for both McCain and The Times. He may benefit, at least in the short run, from a conservative backlash against the “liberal” New York Times. The newspaper found itself in the uncomfortable position of being the story as much as publishing the story, in large part because, although it raised one of the most toxic subjects in politics — sex — it offered readers no proof that McCain and Iseman had a romance."

scottw 09-28-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1201803)
And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

probably closer to a bazillion :kewl:

scottw 09-28-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1201802)

never said he was Russian

yes there is no evidence that he's russian

Pete F. 09-28-2020 06:58 PM

"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia...We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time." - EricTrump, 2014
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detbuch 09-28-2020 07:09 PM

I thought we were supposed to be all in for the global economy.

detbuch 09-28-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1201803)
And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

I hear the IRS has great payment plans. Or can fall back on the old bankruptcy schtick.

Pete F. 09-28-2020 07:22 PM

Give him a break. He couldn’t pay taxes because he has loan spurs.
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scottw 09-28-2020 07:49 PM

these guys should start looking for the Oak Island treasure too :bl:

detbuch 09-28-2020 07:57 PM

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