multiple...like 3? :hihi:

On seeing the report four boats sank in a recent Trump boater rally in Texas I believe I found this amusing.

Have you seen a verified, documented transcript or exact quote in its context, or is this hearsay by unnamed sources. Have you ever heard Trump unjustifiably attack the U.S. military--not some person or "leader" in the military--but the military itself?

Here's the quote from Whitehouse.gov
"I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."

Divide and conquer. The oldest play in the book. Trump has been doing it since he came down the escalator. Today he took it to a new level by seeking to divide military rank and file from their leadership. The Commander-in-Chief is undermining his own military chain-of-command. He's too ignorant to realize that "the Pentagon is just a bunch of guys starting wars so they can give contracts to industry" is pretty much the Cold War, Marxist-Leninist Soviet line since forever.

Just more lies from Tweety about military spending

In a statement after the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the president said we should all move on because the Saudis promised to buy a lot of American weapons.

It has been 670 days since Tweety said he would be sharing more information about the death of Jamal Khashoggi in less than a month.
"A month? That's a long time. There's no reason for that much. It'll be faster."

It wasn't faster.

Six months after Khashoggi was killed in a Saudi consulate, we learned Energy Secretary Rick Perry approved SIX secret authorizations by companies to sell sensitive nuclear technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia.

Trump later abandoned the Kurds fighting isis, left our bases for Putin, and redirected our troops to the Saudis. Not to mention the Nuke tech he’s provided to them either, against Congress’ wishes.

In June, at an event where he claimed to have personally redesigned a new frigate to “make it beautiful,” he also admitted that he’d steered a $5 billion defense contract to a shipyard in Wisconsin because it’s a swing state.

Just think, Osama Bin Laden’s niece has endorsed Trump.

Donald Trump’s niece has endorsed Biden.

Wow . . . the Independents had a big jump in approval too. The Independents are trending commie!

Oh, not that it's meaningful or important to you, but the Communist Party USA works with and in support of the Democrat Party. And their platforms have been consistently similar. Maybe the Republicans are getting more jealous and are saying "Hey, help us too. We are having more positive feelings toward Putin!"

Or maybe it's a rather meaningless poll in regards to our trending toward socialism. It's the Progressive Democrats (and outright socialist Democrats) that have a serious problem with capitalism.

I can't believe people are comparing Trump to Satan.
Sure he's evil, but certainly not as evil as Trump.

This is very profound and important. Keep up the good work.

run on your hamster wheel all you want Republicans 20 points Higher dont try to blame independents ..

Party US have been around since the 20's and their biggest vote count for POTUS was 103,307 in 1932 so please lets not exaggerate .. on how dangerous they are or their helping Biden OMG and Q is helping Trump whos more dangerous

That certainly is not him saying that the soldiers are losers and suckers. As far as what he said about the top people in the pentagon, it mirrors to a great degree what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex.

Well, since the population is at least 250% higher today than in 1932 we'd be looking at 250,000+ votes some of which could be enough in swing states with tight races to make a difference. And it's not about how "dangerous" the Commie connection to the Democrat party is (I don't think you believe it is dangerous, so I won't go there). It is about which party is actually heading us more precipitously into socialism, your Putin poll notwithstanding.

The Commies helping the Dems is not just about the actual Commie vote, but in various get out the vote, and persuasion of "working class" and undecided voters through propaganda and on the ground actions, including protests, riots, disinformation, creating distrust of the system, etc.

And, again, as I said, the Commie platform and purported agenda is almost a twin of the Dems. For the Commies, the Dems are the useful idiot tools that will eventually lead to their victory. Here's this year's message from the CPUSA. Note how if this wasn't designated as the Commie agenda, you would recognize it as the Dem's.

CPUSA Political Action Commission's "People power: At the ballot box and beyond":

No one movement by itself can determine the outcome of the elections. But all people’s organizations, including the Communist Party USA, can decide what the post-election climate of struggle will look like: will we be fighting for our lives or for the advanced demands we need? The goal of the Communist Party USA is to change what is possible in this given moment with the movement we can and continue to build. The 2020 elections aren’t about getting Biden elected as president. This is mainly about defeating a right-wing agenda in the United States.

The dominance of the right wing in U.S. society had led to many setbacks in the struggle for socialism. Our participation in the elections is a step toward setting the stage for advancing our efforts. Building working-class unity around the 2020 elections is going to be a challenge.

Defeating the far right at the ballot box across the nation at all levels of government will allow for more advanced struggles. The struggle for universal health care, education, and the right to housing and jobs will not develop beyond its current stage if the far right maintains a foothold in the state. Communists must develop real links with the working class, and this cannot be done by sitting out the elections. Millions of workers will head to the polls in November. The result of this election will determine the fate of working people far outside the United States. Communists must strive to be where workers are, not where we want them to be. Working in the elections, the mass movement for Black lives, and other progressive mass organizations is one of the primary ways the Communist Party develops organic ties to the masses.

Many were disappointed when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic Party presidential primary. Sen. Sanders’ dropping out of the race isn’t the end of the movement that started long before his campaign began. The progressive changes in the Democratic Party will continue. Bernie Sanders’ clear message to his supporters is that their campaign made progress in bringing vital issues like the $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and Medicare for All into the mainstream, but to continue and win those fights it is urgent to defeat Trump by voting for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Progressive working-class organizations will engage in the electoral battle, depending on their own needs and goals. As Communists, we must work with these mass organizations and seek to build real organic ties. Sitting out elections won’t aid in the political development of workers. Elections are a time to educate ourselves and the working class.

A defeat of Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.
The threat of fascism is a real and present danger. Since the 2016 elections, hate crime in the U.S. has risen every year. Immigrant children have been separated from their families, and police violence continues to be a significant issue across the nation. The 2020 elections won’t solve all the glaring problems of the United States. A defeat of Donald Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.

The Young Communist League has a vital role in mobilizing young voters. The coronavirus will shape the politics of millions of Americans for generations to come. Mobilizing workers doesn’t end at the elections. Collecting contact information of the people met through organizing is vital for future struggles. If there is a single issue that gets someone to vote, make a note of it. The minimum wage, immigration reform, or health care may be one reason someone is voting. Don’t only take notes on those who will be voting in the election. Those who don’t vote can be a good source of information. Many workers don’t vote, and this is what the right wing in the United States wants. The fewer people that vote, the more the right wing tends to win. Understanding the reasons people don’t vote in your area helps inform future organizing efforts.

The right to a higher education

Student loan debt is stunting the future of many. The economic depression we are faced with will only get worse under the current regime in government. An economic stimulus for workers and students is needed. Student loan forgiveness and universal higher education are goals outside the movement’s reach if the Republican Party is allowed to dominate politics.

The right to a job

Gainful employment is hard to come by. The fight for $15 movement has taken years to get the minimum wage raised in several states. In many states, raising the minimum wage has been delayed to the point of barely helping low-wage workers. The cost of living continues to go up across the nation, and the federal government hasn’t responded. The right to a job must include a right to unionize. Stronger labor laws that favor workers instead of the bosses is a need. This is something that won’t be accomplished if the Republican Party remains the dominant force in the nation.

The right to health care

Now more than ever has the fight for universal health care become a central issue facing the nation. The coronavirus has shown how fragile the system of capitalism is and the health-care model that puts profits before people. Hospitals have run out of space, testing has been delayed or improperly administered, and many have suffered little to no action by the federal government. Universal health care, including the nationalization of hospitals, is needed. The coronavirus will not be the last pandemic to hit this nation.

Police reform and freedom from racial discrimination

Racism has long been a pillar on which the U.S. has been built. It maintains a racial caste system to preserve the power of the capitalist ruling class. The police are a weapon of ruling-class oppression. The racist killings of black and brown youth by the police is part of the oppressive system we live in. The police need to defunded and reconstructed to be accountable to the people whose communities they police.

The environmental movement

The struggle over the environment is about having a future worth fighting for. Climate change and pollution have destroyed the communities of the poor and people of color. The New Deal represents a step in the right direction toward leaving harmful fossil fuels behind and offering new jobs to workers who would otherwise be displaced when the economy would have to shift away from fossil fuels when the wells start to run dry.

The money is there for all these needs by cutting the military budget and taxing the rich. Movements for these demands are also growing across the country among youth and all generations.

Elections are an essential time to build new working relationships with working-class voters. It is necessary to emphasize the progressive change that can happen with the defeat of the Republican Party in 2020. There are more progressive and socialist candidates in office than there have been in a long time. The uprisings for Black Lives, workers’ rights, and the right to live are helping to shift the nation’s politics into a more socialist direction.

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America :kewl:

It's crazy how they bemoan the progressive threat to Constitutional government when Trump is undermining the Constitution left and right.

The people ain't buying it.

I can’t believe you guys still attempt to debate the blue man, he gets is rocks off pontificating in this forum, it’s actually sad to witness. Nothing you say changes his twisted view go fishing.

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

Baloney

Trump's present anger against the military senior command arises from his outraged discovery that the US military is loyal to the US government, to the US constitution - and not to Donald John Trump personally.

That's all this is about. Trump wants a military that will shoot protesters to clear the streets for his photo ops.

The military high command remember that they swore their oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.

Trump hates them for it.

Eisenhower was also particularly concerned that military spending would overwhelm the private economy - and push the US into debt.

Even before COVID, Trump had put the US on the path to trillion-dollar deficits forever.

Eisenhower - who inherited the Korean War - did reduce defense spending over his eight years by some 27%.

In this respect, Trump is no Eisenhower. Over Trump's four years in office, he boosted defense spending from just over $600 bn to just over $700 bn.
And he’s claiming it’s the military leadership
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How is he undermining the Constitution?

The foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan is that radical Marxists are trying to incite a race war to destroy white civilization.
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The national debt, before Trump, was already on the path to trillion dollar deficits forever--and that was with reduced military spending and a sequester on military spending. The military, at a time when it was claimed by the military command, if I remember correctly, that it would be difficult to maintain a war on two fronts, and Iran, radical Islamists, Russia, North Korea, and especially China, were dangerously expanding and high tech modernizing their militaries. It was the military command, not Trump, who decided on how much the military needed.

I don't know if Eisenhower foresaw the 20 trillion dollar deficit that Trump had "inherited." Or if he foresaw an economy crippling pandemic that required several trillion dollars to finance.

And yeah it was the military leadership and military hawks in Congress and the administration that called for the 700 billion dollar budget. McCain asked for Congress and the White House to work "expeditiously" on a budget agreement that secures the increased $700 billion for the military following years of spending cuts. He also said "After nearly a decade of asking our troops to do more with less, we hope this agreement will allow the military to begin to rebuild and ensure that process can continue into next year," and Jim Mattis pressed for a sweeping budget deal that would realize a long-sought Pentagon goal of lifting the caps on defense spending under the sequester process.

What's your point?

Your beliefs
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I don't have a belief about the foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan regarding radical Marxists.

, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology , and there its is emotion over facts , socialism is a specific ideology that is actually regressive look at history you suspect communists have power they dont as if there the Illuminati

But your originalist arguments are just that an argument you nor I know what was in the mind of the founders when they wrote it, but they didn't seem overly attached to the old way of doing things , just saying

Justice dept seeks to defend Trump defamation case

Not sure if this fits. But its way away from past practice and 1 step closer to the justice department completely under his control

The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius
“I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously."
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So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

The only people I've heard trying to make them into ammunition are Trumplicans

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.

I've heard a lot of people on the right and left say that those wars were not justified, were even illegal, were America interfering in other people's business, America trying to nation build, the ClA and the pentagon lying or justifying their requests for money, immoral, and all kind of street protests against them, as well as condemnations from our major medias as well as from politicians, especially from the left.

Old news

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.
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The comment was made about the generals, not the POTUS. You know the "f*ck*ng generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals.”

Those guys.

Yeah, well he had bone spurs and Joe Biden had asthma so neither served. In this election, I don't care about that. Use it as some political tool to defeat Trump since for you defeating him is your political casus belli, your election sine qua non. For me it is not about him or Biden. My "casus" and "sine" is defeating, for the moment, the Progressive destruction of our constitutional order . . . what's left of it.

Yeah, well Pete's Armed Services statement was made by those guys. And the Iraq and Viet Nam wars, in the eyes of many, belie that statement.

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

I wouldn't be surprised that if out of the blue one just conveniently popped up.

Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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You forgot to add, because it was making Trump angry.

Ahhh . . . another whistleblower complaint released by Adam Schiff. Probably good to wait before passing judgment.

Trump telling Woodward that Kim Jong un shared a graphic description of Kim murdering his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun makes me think NK had a dossier on Trump and knew his sadistic kinks.
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Apparently, it's "not particularly unusual" :

"Yes, that's the so-called Westfall statue, which says that if someone is an employee of the executive branch or the legislative, and they are sued for a state tort that occurred in the course of them working for the government - of their duties for the government - then they can have it certified to be moved to federal court, and the United States is then substituted as the party," Barr said.

"This is done frequently. It's been done for presidents. It's been done for congressmen. The normal process was followed in this particular case you're talking about.":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...it/ar-BB18SdRn''

No, no more than his lies about the Mueller report
Tweety has to provide a DNA sample by the fifteenth of this month.
Odd that you wouldn’t be willing to do that and prove your innocence, what he’s doing is like taking the Fifth.
The Carroll case was at a delicate moment for the president when the Justice Department intervened. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers had tried to put the lawsuit on hold, but a judge ruled last month that it could proceed. That ruling had also seemingly cleared a path for Ms. Carroll’s legal team to pursue its request that Mr. Trump provide a DNA sample to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she was wearing at the time of the encounter.
The department’s motion to take control of the case came as Mr. Trump’s private lawyers were facing a deadline to appeal an order compelling a deposition and a DNA sample.

In portraying the Justice Department’s intervention this week as unremarkable, Mr. Barr did not explain why the administration had waited more than 10 months to step in.

The move to portray the case as centering on an official action by Mr. Trump has drawn scrutiny. A federal judge reviewing whether the intervention was legitimate will have to decide whether Mr. Trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he disparaged Ms. Carroll
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