Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

how is defending Trump not TDS? Where is Jim to help us?

I keep hearing about earlier actions. When did Trump do what was in his power to do? Did he just wait a while when he supposedly knew the nature of the disease? Is that the accusation?

And did Trump know more then the WHO? Where did Fauci get his information? From Trump? Was Trump this genius who knew about covid before anybody else? This is all mysterious, but somehow absolutely clear.

As far as it "appears," Trump acted when and how the "experts" told him.

You need to pay more attention!
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Oh, I forgot. You know everything.

Oh no I’d never cut into your purview, but I do listen to what the science and experts tell us, the political stuff from both sides is white noise.

So oh learned one, do you keep a nation from panic, by down playing the crisis and by holding off using and promoting the very measures proven to work until forced to? Either he knows better and I’m certain he doesn’t or he has a really low opinion of how America could have soldered thru.
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Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

"I want to show a calmness. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down," Trump tells Hannity about why he played down the coronavirus, knowing it was "deadly stuff"

"If the US had the same death rate as the EU overall, nearly 84,000 Americans wouldn’t have died (out of the nearly 190,000 who have died so far). If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 109,000 Americans wouldn’t have died."
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Excuse me, but I personally experienced the lack of various things like rubbing alcohol, various disinfectants needed for cleaning around the house, paper towels of all sorts including toilet paper, cases of bottled water as well as various canned foods because a lot of Americans panicked and emptied the shelves to overstock their own supply, not giving a damn about anybody else.

Yeah, we have different death rates, better or worse. And Trump is responsible for that? Geez, man, we have a huge medical and technical and research infrastructure, regulatory agencies, independent states, experts up the gazoo, and a nation of divided and uniquely independent people, and a fairly unique political power structure that limits the power of the President far more than the leaders of most other nations--and Trump is the reason for the number of deaths?

It does not mute him as if that is not apparent.

Trump acted like the captain of a ship who knows it is about to hit an iceberg but doesn’t tell the passengers to make for the lifeboats.

That is an offense even more serious than simply falling asleep at the watch.

Fauci said he couldn't imagine anyone else doing more than what the response task force that Trump created were doing.

Sorry Butchie,
Buuut....

Most of our current COVID load came from Europe; including mine. Calling it China-virus just makes you look like the Commander-in-Ostrich.

And the only playing Trumbo did was fatty-golf, while he waffled back-and-forth in February and March.

It’s only another 50 days, or so. Trumby can prolly fit in 37 days of golf, so it’s pretty much two more weeks of real work.

Florida is calling him. He’s a Lame Duck at this point.
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I thought Kayleigh promised not to lie?

Just another scummy Trumplican.

Kayleez just like any other cute blond who makes you a promise...

She’s already made that promise to a cuter beefcake than you.

Nothing is more fleeting than a beautiful, blonde woman’s promise.

She’s the ultimate blonde...
JOKE!
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Europe got it from China. The virus originated in China. Saying that we got covid from Europe is like saying that if someone from Tennessee who had covid went to a virus free state and infected the folks in that state, then those folks could call it the Tennessee virus.

I can't wait to watch trump debate weekend at biden's.....

Read his post a little closer, he said most of our cases came from Europe, he didn’t say it originated in Europe; which is why the travel ban Jim loves to harp on made very little difference other than delay the inevitable.

Woodward is facing some heat because he withheld this supposedly very important information from the public in order to sell more books. If it was that critical, he should have immediately informed us. Very cynical or he didn't believe it was that critical.
His excuse for not doing so is very weak.


WOW detbunch not sure if you feel the same way? how can people expect more action from a reporter than the Trump himself


That heat is what true TDS looks like . Republicans blaming Woodward hell 90% OF trump supporters don't believe it any way.. even in a recording of him saying it:faga:

Woodward is just trying to sell books, left and the media trying to turn any scrap they can locate into a "bombshell" against trump...they all go off in their faces which is truly fun.....chicken little leftists and nobody is listening

yup......the phony empathy of the left accusing the right of lacking empathy...classic leftiscism:heybaby:

Read his post a little closer, he said "Calling it China-virus just makes you look like the Commander-in-Ostrich." It originated in China, that's why it's called China virus.

I’m pretty sure he knows where it originated, his points were also clear, one that it most likely did the most damage by cases coming in from Europe and Trump is a chump for deflection calling it a China virus. He and most also do blame China for mishandling and most of those voting him out of office soon will do so for Trump mishandling the crisis and not being forthright with Americans. Your running out of things to spin as fast as Trump is running out of excuses.

bumper sticker material right there

It isn't just Republicans who noted that Woodward withheld what he (and you) considered important information. And Trump basically explained it in an April 7 press briefing on the Coronavirus when a reporter asked him about a memo from Navarro which told of the danger of the virus (which Trump and the Dems and the Press and the WHO were all downplaying): "So, at the time, though, when Peter Navarro did circulate those memos, you were still downplaying the threat of coronavirus in the US." Trump response included: " I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else. But ultimately, when I was saying that, I’m also closing it down. I obviously was concerned about it because I closed down our country to China, which was heavily infected. I then closed it down to Europe. That’s a big move, closing it down from China and then closing it down from Europe, and then ultimately closing it down to the UK. And it was right about that time. But I’m not going to go out and start screaming, this could happen, this could happen."

So Trump basically said, in public, the same thing he said to Woodward not long after that interview and way long before Woodward's supposed "bombshell."

Trump, and many, many, others call it the China, or the Wuhan, or the CCP virus because that is where it originated. It is not a chump to name a virus from whence it came. It has been done for many if not most of previous viruses. That much of it arrived here via Europe does not change that. Trump also put a travel ban on Europe. Too late? Too late was the only way to confirm that a ban was needed. Same would apply to any travel ban. It was too late because the infection was already here and China, intentionally, did not warn us, or Europe, or the rest of the world in time, and intentionally let travelers out of China, including much from Wuhan, into the rest of the world while, at the same time, banned travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. I don't know if you can spin that, but give it a go.

What I love, Butchie, is people like you who eat up whatever he says, and then end up doing a way better job defending him than he can actually do for himself.

He’s the pres, it’s his job to defend himself. He don’t need you, sport...

Go back to crappie fishing, I guess. The world has passed you by, my friend.
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I'm still keeping up . . . bigly. But thanks.

Love the bigly.
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DONALD TRUMP'S COVID-19 PLAN

FEB: COVID isn't real
MAR: It'll go away
APR: It'll go away
MAY: It'll go away
JUN: It'll go away
JUL: It'll go away
AUG: It'll go away
SEP: It'll go away
Hint: It ain’t gonna like a miracle, go away
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Wow. Quite a revelation. Apparently the coronavirus task force was just a mirage. The production of a vaccine is just a fiction. Testing does not happen. Masks, ventilators, help to states who were unprepared never happened. All fake news.

Thanks for the truth Pete!

What is the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about a pathogen? 200 thousand lives.
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There is no telling how many lives would have been lost if the public had totally panicked. Or if there were no action to combat the virus. There was a worldwide playing down of it, including the WHO, the media, the politicians on both sides, the medical experts. But there was also a concurrent serious effort to contain it. Both that effort and the calming of the public were probably necessary.

Trump’s entire political career has been built on using fear as a weapon. As he explained to Woodward and a colleague in a 2016 interview, “Real power is—I don’t even want to use the word—fear.”
Leaders excell in tough times, Tweety tried to lie and deny his way through this, the first real crisis of his administration as he has his whole life
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You and Biden and Harris and the Dems use fear as as weapon. Trump told the truth about the virus to Woodward. And he told the same truth publicly shortly afterward in response to a reporter's question during a press briefing.

Sorry one statement that you think fits the narrative is too little, there’s video and tapes that show otherwise.
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The statement to Woodward and repeated in essence to the reporter in a public press briefing covers the videos and tapes. And you and Biden and Harris and the Dems use fear as as weapon.

So “in essence” is your interpretation of Tweety’s speech because he did not say the same thing
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And tell me just how did this silver spoon, reality TV star, real estate grifter from Queens become the voice of the Republican party?

Because far from ushering in Bolshevism, the Obama-Biden administration presided over the longest economic expansion on record and falling violent crime.

This year, by contrast, Trump admin has seen the worst recession since the 1930s and a rising murder rate.

But he takes no responsibility at all
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Another Trump supporter out the door, I think Caputo blew a gasket, but when you work in this administration your time is numbered.
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This is incorrigible bull$hit. It's what you do. Keep repeating junk.
Here is a Wikipedia synopsis of Obama's fabulous economic expansion:

"The effects of the Great Recession of 2007-2009 continued to be felt for years, with the economy described as a "malaise" as late as 2011. Employment growth remained historically low, and unemployment would not return to pre-recession levels until 2016. Long-term unemployment rose to a record high while labor force participation fell off sharply as many of the unemployed gave up looking for work. In an effort to spur economic growth, the Federal Reserve engaged in three rounds of quantitative easing, while the federal funds rate was kept near zero for an unprecedented seven years. However, credit remained difficult to obtain for some time, as lending institutions used the newly created cash to shore up their balance sheets. What growth occurred was unevenly distributed; roughly half of GDP growth from 2009-2015 went to the top 1% of households.[ Unlike every previous post-war expansion, GDP growth remained under 3% for every calendar year."

As one "expert" put it: "On almost every measure examined, the 2009-2015 recovery since the recession ended in June of 2009 has been the meekest in more than 50 years."

From a Washington Examiner Jan. 20, 2020 article: "President Trump starts off 2020 having presided over a lower average unemployment rate than any president at a comparable point in office in recorded history.

On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the unemployment rate held steady at a historically low 3.5% in December. Since February 2017, Trump's first full month in office, the monthly unemployment rate has averaged 3.9%. No prior president has averaged less than 4% over the first 35 months of his presidency. The closest was Dwight Eisenhower, when the rate averaged 4.3% between February 1953 and December 1955."

Since covid, The WORLD, not just the U.S. "has seen the worst recession since the 1930s." And the murder rate has risen with the help of Progressive cities like NY pulling back on police presence and effectiveness.