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detbuch 04-02-2020 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189865)
Pelosi and Diblasio, as recently as late February, were explicitly telling people to continue to gather in public places. you haven't uttered a syllable about this. It's all Trumps fault.

Like other Progressives who were way sooner on top of the pandemic before Trump was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emyNXZ8v8sY

Pete F. 04-02-2020 10:23 PM

So now it's but Nancy......but you obfuscate the fact that the NSC, CDC and DHS all report to the administration and he ignored or chose to believe his good friend, the Chinese leader, rather than the information he was given.

Perhaps the political appointees he surrounded himself with did not want to upset him?

Or is it that he was busy with the impeachment, can't multitask and couldn't perform his job like McConnell said.

He's toast, let's try and not let him toast us on the way out.

He is still lying and helping it spread
Today, the president pushed back against the suggestion of suspending domestic plane and rail travel by saying passengers on planes and trains are getting tested twice, before departure and after arrival.

They are not being tested at all.

Sea Dangles 04-02-2020 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1189923)
Do you smoke meth?
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No, but I have a beautiful double grape ready to chop.👍🏿
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Sea Dangles 04-02-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1189924)
Dingleberry,
Glad you are proud of your support of the Trump administration, it has often been described as “malevolence tempered by incompetence.”

I think now that we have a crisis not of his own doing, the COVID-19 version of that is “incompetence exacerbated by malevolence.”

We have now reached the final result of blind loyalty and pathetic politicians. I don’t see how either what was formerly the Republican party or their claims of conservatism recovers from what we have seen over the last three years—but especially the last three months.

You don’t see a lot Bitchslappedboy. But that won’t stop you from voting for your mailman.
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Sea Dangles 04-02-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1189920)
MRI1 speaks we are thankful for you contributions and wisdom.:jump:

⛑👍🏿🐰
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Pete F. 04-02-2020 10:46 PM

2016: But her emails
2017: But Gorsuch
2018: But the stock market
2019: But socialism
2020: But only 200,000 Americans dead
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Pete F. 04-02-2020 10:49 PM

Dingleberry
If you quit snorting Adderal, maybe you could sleep.
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detbuch 04-02-2020 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1189933)
So now it's but Nancy......but you obfuscate

It's not but Nancy . . . it IS Nancy (and several others, but you'd have to watch the video to see that). Now Nancy the conniving hypocrite is ginning up yet another "investigation" of Trump about "what did he know and when did he know it." Apparently, she and the other libs in the video "downplaid" the pandemic before Trump did and now accuse him of it. And then you, like a wind-up toy, obfuscate all that by turning on the usual canned anti Trump babble stored in your head . . . blah, blah, blah.

wdmso 04-03-2020 07:12 AM

Hobby Lobby Keeps Disobeying State Stay-at-Home Orders

Must be religious rights argument
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Jim in CT 04-03-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1189912)
It’s every governor and state is on their own, I’m so happy to see ours found a way to get our first responders and health care workers the supplies they need. F*ck Trump and his entire inept administration and family.

(1) if you previously thought that the federal government can ever be all things to 300 million people spread across a continent, I assume you were in a coma during hurricane Katrina.

(2) the feds aren't doing "nothing". The CDC is helping with testing research, the army corps of engineers is building a massive number of hospital beds, two massive navy hospital ships have been deployed, the feds have enacted policy which allows them to direct private companies to help.

3M has been selling masks to foreign countries instead of selling them to states desperate to buy them. I hope we all remember that when this is over.

wdmso 04-03-2020 07:18 AM

FACT CHECK: Trump Claims U.S. Testing For Coronavirus Most Per Capita — It's No.

Shocking more lies
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Jim in CT 04-03-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189944)
Hobby Lobby Keeps Disobeying State Stay-at-Home Orders

Must be religious rights argument
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I heard something about that, I wonder what the heck they are thinking?

I'm sure you don't know either, but again it's interesting that your instinct is to blame religion, then on the other side of your mouth you say religion isn't being attacked. Trying to have it both ways.

RIROCKHOUND 04-03-2020 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189949)
I heard something about that, I wonder what the heck they are thinking?

I'm sure you don't know either, but again it's interesting that your instinct is to blame religion, then on the other side of your mouth you say religion isn't being attacked. Trying to have it both ways.

God spoke to him (the owner). That was the report as to why he stayed open originally.

Looks like they are closing now.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...navirus-orders

wdmso 04-03-2020 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189946)
(1) if you previously thought that the federal government can ever be all things to 300 million people spread across a continent, I assume you were in a coma during hurricane Katrina.

(2) the feds aren't doing "nothing". The CDC is helping with testing research, the army corps of engineers is building a massive number of hospital beds, two massive navy hospital ships have been deployed, the feds have enacted policy which allows them to direct private companies to help.

3M has been selling masks to foreign countries instead of selling them to states desperate to buy them. I hope we all remember that when this is over.

So no issues with fema outbidding states

But take issue with 3m selling to the highest bidder ..

Why are bids even an allowed, why not have Trump fix the price they can charge
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Got Stripers 04-03-2020 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189946)
(1) if you previously thought that the federal government can ever be all things to 300 million people spread across a continent, I assume you were in a coma during hurricane Katrina.

(2) the feds aren't doing "nothing". The CDC is helping with testing research, the army corps of engineers is building a massive number of hospital beds, two massive navy hospital ships have been deployed, the feds have enacted policy which allows them to direct private companies to help.

3M has been selling masks to foreign countries instead of selling them to states desperate to buy them. I hope we all remember that when this is over.

Catch up isn’t what the country needed, this will be harder, longer and more deadly due to this administrations slow response to acknowledge, to properly message and to gear up. It’s NOT in catchup due to what other politicians and governors said early on, most were not privy to intel and they like everyone else take their lead from the top.

Sea Dangles 04-03-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1189937)
2016: But her emails
2017: But Gorsuch
2018: But the stock market
2019: But socialism
2020: But only 200,000 Americans dead
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2021: But I thought my mailman would win
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Pete F. 04-03-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1189939)
It's not but Nancy . . . it IS Nancy (and several others, but you'd have to watch the video to see that). Now Nancy the conniving hypocrite is ginning up yet another "investigation" of Trump about "what did he know and when did he know it." Only in America could 200,000 dead be less of a catastrophe than 30,000 emails or 4 dead in Benghazi Apparently, she and the other libs in the video "downplaid" the pandemic before Trump did and now accuse him of it. And then you, like a wind-up toy, obfuscate all that by turning on the usual canned anti Trump babble stored in your head . . . blah, blah, blah.

Not anti-Trump, it's pro USA. The path of destruction that the incompetent Trump has left in his wake is now becoming apparent to anyone willing to look.
He should have been gone, we now suffer the consequences of his incompetence and lack of even a basic understanding of how government actually works.

Trump, the “wartime president” yesterday said, “We’re a backup.”

Remember when Franklin Roosevelt said “We’re a backup” and states have to win WW2.

But we can all rest easy. The boy who read 25 books and brought peace to the Middle East, and conquered the Opioid Crisis is taking on the most deadly virus in our lifetime. I for one am breathing a sigh of relief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A

wdmso 04-03-2020 08:06 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...-reporting-map

scottw 04-03-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1189955)
2021: But I thought my mailman would win
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you only have to wind them up a little and they'll go ALL day long...:rotf2:

Sea Dangles 04-03-2020 08:26 AM

Brains of rubber
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Pete F. 04-03-2020 08:34 AM

I see MRI1+2 are playing dingdong again

wdmso 04-03-2020 10:26 AM

This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

detbuch 04-03-2020 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189975)
This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

Non sequitur. The total scope of government is a different concern than the amount of power within constitutionally allowed government.

China, for instance, under CCP rule has unlimited scope of government power. China does not suffer from less government. It's government is in total control of the entire society. Does China, with more government, "look like," as you put it, what you would want today.

Jim in CT 04-03-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189975)
This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.

conservatives want less government, in areas where people
can do just fine by themselves. no one is saying we should do away with government altogether? can you make a single post in his forum that’s not ridiculous?
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wdmso 04-03-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189981)
yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.

conservatives want less government, in areas where people
can do just fine by themselves. :bs: no one is saying we should do away with government altogether? can you make a single post in his forum that’s not ridiculous?
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No kidding their not saying no government their saying only the government they like and want

So theses Republican governors who have no restrictions in place, I should assume they can do fine by themselves, and the government shouldn't help them if this goes sideways on them ..

Jim in CT 04-03-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1189950)
God spoke to him (the owner). That was the report as to why he stayed open originally.

Looks like they are closing now.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...navirus-orders

is that really what he said?
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Jim in CT 04-03-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189987)
No kidding their not saying no government their saying only the government they like and want

So theses Republican governors who have no restrictions in place, I should assume they can do fine by themselves, and the government shouldn't help them if this goes sideways on them ..

the republican governors with no restrictions, in my opinion, are being reckless. very reckless.

but conservatives are not opposed to governments at all
levels taking steps to be prepared for these kinds of emergencies. even diehard libertarians don’t oppose this.

you need to learn a bit more about the basics. i don’t have any idea where you get them information you use to form your opinions if conservatives, but you’re being misinformed. instead of letting msnbc tell you what conservatives think, why not ask a conservative? you are comically, very misinformed.
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PaulS 04-03-2020 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189981)
yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.
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I would take Connecticut in the heartbeat over the majority of those red States. After all look at the incompetent President they helped elect.
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wdmso 04-03-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1189980)
Non sequitur. The total scope of government is a different concern than the amount of power within constitutionally allowed government.

China, for instance, under CCP rule has unlimited scope of government power. China does not suffer from less government. It's government is in total control of the entire society. Does China, with more government, "look like," as you put it, what you would want today.

Typical response jumping right to communism..

How would less government improve what we are seeing

Not saying more government is the right answer.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation :bs:

He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much


That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

Jim in CT 04-03-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1189992)
I would take Connecticut in the heartbeat over the majority of those red States
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who cares?

CT, one of the most beautiful states in the nation, is one of the few states that’s losing population. CT has so much going for
it, people should be fighting to get here. But they’re fleeing.

one persons opinion doesn’t make that wrong.

Our debt is also tens of thousands of dollars for every single
human being in the state. Did conservative economic
principles generate that massive debt, or liberal economic principles.


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PaulS 04-03-2020 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189994)
who cares?

CT, one of the most beautiful states in the nation, is one of the few states that’s losing population. CT has so much going for
it, people should be fighting to get here. But they’re fleeing.

one persons opinion doesn’t make that wrong.

Our debt is also tens of thousands of dollars for every single
human being in the state. Did conservative economic
principles generate that massive debt, or liberal economic principles.


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Then leave.

As we have discussed dozens of times it is bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state. there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states but you continue to harp on taxes while ignoring the better education and higher pay you get here.

wdmso 04-03-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1189990)
the republican governors with no restrictions, in my opinion, are being reckless. very reckless.

but conservatives are not opposed to governments at all
levels taking steps to be prepared for these kinds of emergencies. even diehard libertarians don’t oppose this.

you need to learn a bit more about the basics. i don’t have any idea where you get them information you use to form your opinions if conservatives, but you’re being misinformed. instead of letting msnbc tell you what conservatives think, why not ask a conservative? you are comically, very misinformed.
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Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, who just last week rejected any statewide action because “Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana,


Thought this was spot on with some of these Governors so concerned with not upsetting Trumps base


I’d be happy to stand with the president,” the governor would quip, “if he’d just stand in the same place.”

PaulS 04-03-2020 01:04 PM

Another indication how sleazy this admin. is. Read the full article

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...8Bx?li=BBnb7Kz

The Trump administration on Friday changed its description of the Strategic National Stockpile on a government website after journalists noted that it contradicted a claim Jared Kushner had made about the program.

Kushner on Thursday evening offered a novel argument about the national stockpile. He said some states still had stockpiles that they hadn’t been employing for the coronavirus outbreak and that localities should go to them first. And then he suggested that the national stockpile wasn’t even meant for them.

“And the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile,” Kushner said. “It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”

As reporters quickly noted, that didn’t match with how the Department of Health and Human Services was describing the program. On its website, it said, “Strategic National Stockpile is the nation’s largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out.” It continued to say, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency.”

“The Strategic National Stockpile’s role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies,” it now says. “Many states have products stockpiled, as well. The supplies, medicines, and devices for life-saving care contained in the stockpile can be used as a short-term stopgap buffer when the immediate supply of adequate amounts of these materials may not be immediately available.”

Jim in CT 04-03-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189997)
Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, who just last week rejected any statewide action because “Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana,


Thought this was spot on with some of these Governors so concerned with not upsetting Trumps base


I’d be happy to stand with the president,” the governor would quip, “if he’d just stand in the same place.”

"
Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing"

They've said very clearly why they haven't imposed severe restrictions, and it's not because conservatives want less government. It's because in those states, governors feel the counts aren't high enough to justify crushing the state economy. It's not because they're conservative, it's because they don't feel thigs are that bad yet. I think its a dangerous gamble, but if the counts remain low in those states, the small business owners and employees will be very glad the governors did what they did. There are scientists who feel that the measures taken in most states are going too far. I don't happen to agree with them, but there are scientists who are still saying that. There's a chance that when all is said and done, we'll conclude that we didn't need to shut down the economy. In fact I hope that's what happens, because that would mean the virus wasn't catastrophic. Does that make sense?

"“Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana"

and he's talking about not having as many sick people. It's math, not politics.

Jim in CT 04-03-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1189996)
Then leave.

As we have discussed dozens of times it is bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state. there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states but you continue to harp on taxes while ignoring the better education and higher pay you get here.

You don't get it. Rather, you won't admit you get it, because that would dispute your "point"...it doesn't matter if I stay or go, of if you like it here or not. What matters is that a beautiful and convenient state, is one of the nation's leaders in population loss over the last 10 years. There is only 1 explanation for why this is happening in such a beautiful place with so much opportunity. You just can't say it out loud, like most liberals (note I didn't say all) you cannot process even the most obvious empirical data unless it serves your agenda.

When clinging to your beliefs requires you to deny facts that are staring you in the face, maybe ask why you believe what you believe. I was a registered democrat when I graduated from college, because it made a lot of sense to me to eliminate poverty by just taking a tiny bit more from billionaires who wouldn't miss it. Who could oppose something so obvious? but the thing is, it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. It has never worked, not once. So I stopped believing that was the answer.

"bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state.'

What planet do you live on, exactly? Ask just about anyone who works in state social services how their budget has changed in the last 10 years here in CT. Budgets are cut across the board, services offered to our needy neighbors being cut across the board. State funding to universities cut massively across the board.

You can't help anyone, when you're broke.

"there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states "

Then why are successful people leaving (in general) liberal states, and moving to (in general) conservative states? Because they're too stupid to see that CT is better than the suburbs of Charlotte?

PaulS 04-03-2020 01:44 PM

You don't get it and constantly ignore the facts that other than taxes (cost of living) things are much better in the liberal states than the conservative states.

The colder states lose pop. when people are retiring and moving south to the warmer climates.

Sea Dangles 04-03-2020 02:50 PM

Clearly the greatest president of our generation
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Jim in CT 04-03-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1190007)
You don't get it and constantly ignore the facts that other than taxes (cost of living) things are much better in the liberal states than the conservative states.

The colder states lose pop. when people are retiring and moving south to the warmer climates.

"facts that other than taxes (cost of living) things are much better in the liberal states than the conservative states"

Sure, drugs, crime, poverty, fatherlessness, suicide, none f those thigs exist in liberal places.

"The colder states lose pop. when people are retiring and moving south to the warmer climates"


If that were it, NH would also be losing population. Yet in the nice suburbs, they cannot build $600,000 houses fast enough. Also doesn't explain the population exodus from CA. What does explain it, is that people are realizing that it's not necessary to overpay for a good quality of life.

detbuch 04-03-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1189993)
Typical response jumping right to communism..

I didn't jump to communism. I pointed out that more government does not equate to better solutions.

How would less government improve what we are seeing

The amount of government is not the answer.

Not saying more government is the right answer.

I don't know what you're saying here.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation :bs:

He has done more than "just" back up. But back up is a big portion of what the federal government is supposed to do in cases of pandemic. See post 6 in the Welcome to seat of the pants government thread.


He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much

Yeah, right.

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

Good to know that we have such expert insights as yours on this forum. But I do prefer, personally, that the President's personal interests don't get in the way of executing the duties as prescribed in Article II.

Pete F. 04-03-2020 05:01 PM

Job #1 is ratings

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
Mar 29
“President Trump is a ratings hit. Since reviving the daily White House briefing Mr. Trump and his coronavirus updates have attracted an average audience of 8.5 million on cable news, roughly the viewership of the season finale of ‘The Bachelor.’ Numbers are continuing to rise...

Friend of Murderers

Just spoke to my friend MBS (Crown Prince) of Saudi Arabia, who spoke with President Putin of Russia, & I expect & hope that they will be cutting back approximately 10 Million Barrels, and maybe substantially more which, if it happens, will be GREAT for the oil & gas industry!

Coming soon.............Infrastructure week

from the daily misinformation rally

He could keep himself out of so much trouble if he just read what was put in front of him instead of trying to riff on it and sound smarter or more informed than he is.

"We continue to study the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine," Trump says, reading, and will keep Americans updated.

Then, ad-libbing, he says, "I don't know, it's looking like it's having some good results."

Trump is clear as mud on cloth masks. CDC recommends all Americans wear cloth masks when they're out. "It's probably good. I'm not going to do it. You can if you want.

Trump continuing to ad-lib vague optimism: "Stay at home. This is ending. This will end. You'll some bad things...and some really good things. It's not going to be too long."

Trump says hospitals and healthcare providers treating uninsured patients with coronavirus will be reimbursed by the federal government through the CARES Act (remember that)

Trump is prohibiting the export of “scare medical supplies” like N95 respirators, surgical masks, gloves and other PPE through the Defense Production Act. (3 months after other countries)

It is so disconcerting watching the president deliver important news, and being surprised by it because he is reading it for the first time as he’s trying to tell us about it.

-Why aren’t you wearing a face mask?

-I just can’t sit behind that beautiful Resolute desk wearing a mask.

That wasn’t actually the recommendation, of course.
Surgeon general now trying to step in and do cleanup.

Hard to imagine another President that would personally reject a CDC guideline.

Maybe Fillmore.

And because we know you love her so much, let me present......
Nancy Pelosi
We’re up to about 90% of Americans being under shelter-in-place orders. It should be 100 percent.


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