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Jim in CT 03-21-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1188459)
You guys love using Cuomos stroking Trump to get what he needs as validation of Trump Leadership. If comical you think he actually means it:laugha:

oh you can read minds now.

Why is Omar also praising him?
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Got Stripers 03-21-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1188454)
Governor Cuomo disagrees with you and the other petulant snowflakes here who can't get off their bellies kicking and screaming....

You must listen more clearly to Cuomo, because he is actually saying what we have been complaining about, that while he is happy the feds have “FINALLY” got it and are stepping up; we are several weeks if not more behind. Everyone is glad to see the feds finally step it up and the government nation wide shut down I suspect is coming today, is also too little to late. Spring breakers in FL are in for a shock when it’s shut down and they are forced to become responsible adults and take this seriously.

Late on acceptance, late on testing, late on mitigation, late on ramping up needed supplies, irresponsible messaging, his 2020 run is going to be run on what?

scottw 03-21-2020 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188468)
You must listen more clearly to Cuomo

I listened to an entire interview with him yesterday....

and yes you are mindlessly and endlessly complaining....

Got Stripers 03-21-2020 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1188469)
I apologize for mindlessly and endlessly defending the most inept and corrupt president of our lifetime....

Fixed

scottw 03-21-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188470)
Fixed

childish...even for this group :uhuh:

Got Stripers 03-21-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1188476)
childish...even for this group :uhuh:

That’s funny, you and SD have a corner on childish :jump:

scottw 03-21-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188480)
That’s funny, you and SD have a corner on childish :jump:

we are the adults mocking you for your daily tantrums...that's all...you can get back on the floor and continue kicking your feet and screaming now...hopefully wear yourself out for nappy time :jester:

Got Stripers 03-21-2020 08:49 AM

Thanks for proving my point:bshake:

wdmso 03-21-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1188463)
oh you can read minds now.

Why is Omar also praising him?
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Same reason ..Trumps that shallow. Say nice things about him whether you. Think its true or not ..and he responds like pavlov's Dog

Its not rocket science or mind reading its Trump 101
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Jim in CT 03-21-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1188510)
Same reason ..Trumps that shallow. Say nice things about him whether you. Think its true or not ..and he responds like pavlov's Dog

Its not rocket science or mind reading its Trump 101
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show us some
evidence, any evidence, that Omar’s district is disproportionately getting relief from the feds?
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spence 03-21-2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1188514)
show us some
evidence, any evidence, that Omar’s district is disproportionately getting relief from the feds?
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She made a single tweet praising Trump for something he never even followed through on Jim.
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Pete F. 03-21-2020 05:14 PM

Intel reports from January and February — along with aides — warned about a pandemic spreading in China and moving into other countries.

Asked why he praised China's response and "transparency" on Jan. 24, Trump* says today, "Because it's true." Reminded he's now saying China wasn't transparent about the virus, he says, "They were transparent at that time."

Trump*: "I have great respect for that country...for the leader of that country (China), and like him. He's a friend of mine. But I wish they...would have told us earlier..."

Trump*: "China has worked very hard." He adds, "China's not a beneficiary here. China has lost thousands thousands of people. China has gone through hell over this...I just wish they could've told us earlier."

China went public on Dec 31 when they had 27 cases of a strange viral pneumonia. It was in every newspaper.

2 months later Trump* said of our 70 cases "like the flu, it'll disappear"

He had been told that was incorrect and chose not to listen nor lead.

What would you call a person who would choose to trust the information given him by a foreign power over that presented by our own intelligence agencies?

The result of his administration's inaction.

South Korea and US both had first coronavirus case on same day: Jan 20.
Difference: South Korea govt responded with mass testing, tracking and quarantines.
Trump admin failed to do mass testing then.
Result: South Korea has 8,799 cases w/ 104 dead. US 23,847 cases w/ 278 dead+rising

"I don't take responsibility at all"

detbuch 03-21-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1188526)
"I don't take responsibility at all"

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

spence 03-21-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1188529)
That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Whif.
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detbuch 03-21-2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1188530)
Whif.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julior...fault-n2565112

Pete F. 03-21-2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1188529)
That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

It's really slimy that Trump* tried to make someone else responsible for his inaction and he claimed to take no responsibility at all. Pandemics have been one of the most significant national security issues since the Bush administration.
As originally outlined by President Bush in 2006, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan established three goals for the U.S. government during a pandemic.
First, stopping, slowing, or limiting the spread of a pandemic to the United States.
Second, limiting the domestic spread of a pandemic to mitigate disease, suffering and death.
Third, sustaining infrastructure and mitigating impact to the economy and society.
H1N1 provided a valuable “test run” for the government’s response to a pandemic. They learned valuable lessons about what worked, what failed miserably, and what would have worked better with just a few improvements.

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.
The other choice is to leave and let whatever unqualified yes man the fool finds to take his place. Probably could get Dr. Bornstein or Ronny Jackson, or maybe just use his stable genius to come up with a new medicine.

South Korea had the first case the same day as the USA.
Trump*ignored the information he was given in intelligence briefings because he was flattered by Xi Jinping and thought his good friend would never mislead him. He is the biggest danger to national security in this country.

By March 14th the democratic republic of South Korea had tested 274,500 people for free.

We had tested 14,000 for a cost of 1-3K each until a couple of days ago.

That was not due to a failure of leadership years ago, but the failure of this administration.

He had no issue with declaring an emergency over "caravans" but stuck his head in the sand on this because it might upset the market.
That worked well, didn't it?

Sea Dangles 03-21-2020 11:51 PM

He is clearly the greatest president of our generation
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wdmso 03-22-2020 05:57 AM

And a majority of Republicans — 54% — now say the response to the coronavirus is overblown

Who did they get that idea From??
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scottw 03-22-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1188544)

Who did they get that idea From??


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pick me...pick me!.......ummmm ..."faux news"? :hihi:

Jim in CT 03-22-2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1188544)
And a majority of Republicans — 54% — now say the response to the coronavirus is overblown

Who did they get that idea From??
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conservatives are more likely to oppose the idea of the state telling us that we can’t leave our house or go visit friends in assisted living facilities.

i have no problem whatsoever with it, but i know a lot of smart people
who think the government response is waaaay too much. I think they’re wrong. They think they’re right. We are allowed to respectfully disagree, at least on our side.

Stay safe at work. I imagine social
distancing isn’t easy at your job. Be careful.
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scottw 03-22-2020 07:14 AM

I thought New York was a red state with lots of smart people....

Got Stripers 03-22-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1188541)
He is clearly the greatest president of our generation
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Sometimes a picture, or in this case a graph says it better, if he were his messaging would be completely different; history will not be kind to this president.

scottw 03-22-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188550)

history will not be kind to this president.

you should stop trying to predict history....:kewl:

Got Stripers 03-22-2020 07:46 AM

Your behavior is so predictable, I only wish I could buy stock in what you and SD post, it's just more of the same. How about taking a different approach, tell me where any of the messaging shown in that graph was appropriate, especially for the "greatest president of our lifetime" (saved you typing it SD).

scottw 03-22-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188552)
Your behavior is so predictable, I only wish I could buy stock in what you and SD post, it's just more of the same. How about taking a different approach, tell me where any of the messaging shown in that graph was appropriate, especially for the "greatest president of our lifetime" (saved you typing it SD).

petulant little graph....I don't watch much tv but I did catch a minute of whatever morning show was on ABC this morning...the woman interviewing the guest appeared to be on the verge of a breakdown as she asked her foolish questions...we need more of that:spin:

detbuch 03-22-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1188540)

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

Jim in CT 03-22-2020 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1188557)
So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

sure! he’s a trumplican.
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Got Stripers 03-22-2020 09:15 AM

People say Contagion is prescient. We just saw the science. The whole epidemiological community has been warning everybody for the past 10 or 15 years that it wasn't a question of whether we were going to have a pandemic like this. It was simply when. It's really hard to get people to listen. I mean, Trump pushed out the admiral on the National Security Council, who was the only person at that level who's responsible for pandemic defense. With him went his entire downline of employees and staff and relationships. And then Trump removed the [early warning] funding for countries around the world.
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Sea Dangles 03-22-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188550)
Sometimes a picture, or in this case a graph says it better, if he were his messaging would be completely different; history will not be kind to this president.

I guess my opinion is wrong because it is not the same as yours. I am fine with that. Thanks for caring enough to share your valuable thoughts. They mean a lot to me ,but I disagree.
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Sea Dangles 03-22-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188562)
People say Contagion is prescient. We just saw the science. The whole epidemiological community has been warning everybody for the past 10 or 15 years that it wasn't a question of whether we were going to have a pandemic like this. It was simply when. It's really hard to get people to listen. I mean, Trump pushed out the admiral on the National Security Council, who was the only person at that level who's responsible for pandemic defense. With him went his entire downline of employees and staff and relationships. And then Trump removed the [early warning] funding for countries around the world.
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Blah blah blah
Dummies gonna dummy.
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Got Stripers 03-22-2020 09:36 AM

When you two wear those MAGA hats that tightly it restricts blood flow to the brain, I see the pattern it's very concerning. So you feel your opinion is the correct one and feel you entitled to it and I'd agree that you are, but you two just refuse to accept that others have that same right to express theirs without the usual from the sand box. Instead it's kinder garden insults and the same old BS, but it's so predictable and so over used it lost it's thunder so long back it's just pathetic now.

Pete F. 03-22-2020 10:10 AM

Who could have known?

No government can be 100 percent prepared for anything, but that does not mean it was as unthinkable as Trump* is trying to portray it now.

Richard Burr (R-N.C.) knew on Feb. 27 when he privately offered a dire forecast for the coronavirus, saying, as first reported by NPR, “It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history,” and “It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

That same day Trump* predicted the 15 cases the country was seeing at that point would soon be reduced to zero.

The Crimson Contagion 2019 Functional Exercise provided local, state, federal, nongovernment organizations and private sector partners an opportunity to practice implementing response actions, as well as engage in candid discussions about response, resource, and capability challenges during an influenza pandemic across all levels of government.

5 . Resources
5 . 1 . Scarcity
5 .1.1. The current medical countermeasure supply chain and production capacity cannot meet the demands imposed by nations during a global influenza pandemic .
The U . S . lacks the ability to produce or source some of the inputs necessary to produce vaccine in sufficient quantities to respond to the domestic requirements of a severe influenza pandemic . Further compounding this challenge , global manufacturing capacity will also be unable to meet domestic demand for medical countermeasures , including personal protective equipment and ancillary supplies (i. e. , syringes ), and it is anticipated that countries will keep their own stockpiled supplies for their own citizens . The U . S. also lacks domestic manufacturing capacity for the production of sufficient quantities of personal protective equipment, needles, and syringes . Domestic supplies of on -hand stock of antiviral medications , needles, syringes , N95 respirators, ventilators , and other ancillary medical supplies are limited and difficult to restock , because they are often
manufactured overseas .

Sea Dangles 03-22-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188568)
When you two wear those MAGA hats that tightly it restricts blood flow to the brain, I see the pattern it's very concerning. So you feel your opinion is the correct one and feel you entitled to it and I'd agree that you are, but you two just refuse to accept that others have that same right to express theirs without the usual from the sand box. Instead it's kinder garden insults and the same old BS, but it's so predictable and so over used it lost it's thunder so long back it's just pathetic now.

Dummies gonna dummy
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Pete F. 03-22-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1188557)
So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

scottw 03-22-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188568)

Instead it's kinder garden insults

.

I agree...if you were trying to suggest we should all plant a kinder garden....

carry on...

scottw 03-22-2020 10:41 AM

with seeds of love...

Pete F. 03-22-2020 10:55 AM

2/26 Trump* claimed: When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done

Today 27,205

FEMA head admits despite Trump*’s lauding Defense Production Act Executive Order, Trump* HAS NOT implemented it.

Trump* plan: rely on corporations’ voluntary contributions

detbuch 03-22-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1188571)
No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

If you say he is not lying when he said Trump was not responsible, and he knows what needs to be done, and is a reliable expert doing those things, I'll take him at his word rather than your hyper biased opinion.

Got Stripers 03-22-2020 02:34 PM

Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

detbuch 03-22-2020 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1188582)
Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

Cuomo is following the Trump administration's program. Unlike you, he has praised Trump for being "on it." Trump's "messaging" was not that it could not turn out to be very serious, but to try to not have the panic that indeed occur with hoarding for instance. There was always the message to take precautions and not just act like nothing could possibly get worse. Your rhetoric is the very stuff of dooms day. Not helpful at all.

And there has always been the need and call for all level of government's, including states and the private sector to be part of the process.

Cuomo's rhetoric comes at a time when the spread of the virus is more apparent, and a more stringent call is necessary.


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