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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175330)
I didn't bring up Hillary
"Russia hacked the DNC and leaked the emails."
Does that say Hillary's emails?

You did and now you are lost in Hillarian rage again, I see.
While you and Trump apparently do not realize it, she did not win. What threat to our democracy does she pose at this point?

Here's the thing that should concern you and other Trumplicans

Russia hacked the RNC and never leaked the emails.

The GOP never Trumpers (McCarthy among them) jumped on the Trump wagon

What does Russia have on the Republicans?

What level of corruption exists to be found in the republican leadership?

Of course there is none on the right, it only exists on the left.

Anyone who would suggest otherwise must be wearing a tinfoil hat.

oh. so which emails were you referring to?

i’ve heard a million times that the leaked Podesta emails
hurt hilary in the election. but you’re saying the emails
don’t reveal anything unethical. gotcha.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175333)
oh. so which emails were you referring to?

i’ve heard a million times that the leaked Podesta emails
hurt hilary in the election. but you’re saying the emails
don’t reveal anything damaging to her?

hilary is wondering in the woods alone babbling like an idiot, i spend no time thinking of her.
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You really do just repeat talking points with no understanding of the underlying issues.

Hillary's emails were not on the DNC server, they were housed on a server located at her home in Chappaqua, New York.

You are as confused as Trump and Colludy by Russian propaganda.

Here's the thing that should concern you and other Trumplicans

Russia hacked the RNC and never leaked the emails.

The GOP never Trumpers (McCarthy among them) jumped on the Trump wagon

What does Russia have on the Republicans?

What level of corruption exists to be found in the republican leadership?


Of course there is none on the right, it only exists on the left.

Anyone who would suggest otherwise must be wearing a tinfoil hat.

Jim in CT 09-30-2019 12:49 PM

i am
confused for sure. i’m not talking about her emails
in her home.

i was talking about ( because i thought its what you were referring to) the russian hack of John Podestas email account, shares with wikileaks. when liberals talk about russian interference, this is usually what they mean. and if hilary hadn’t engaged in anything sordid, than publishing those emails could not have damaged her electability.
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 12:51 PM

i think there’s lots of corruption within the gop. doesnt mean i think trump committed an impeachable
offense.

how many times was there a smoking gun? cohen testimony, tax returns, russian collusion, obstruction of
justice, now this. when you make a certain. umber if false claims, eventually you lose credibility.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 12:52 PM

CBS/YouGov now: Does Trump deserve to be impeached, not deserve to be, or too soon to say?
Deserves it 42%
Doesn't deserve 36%
Too soon 22%

CBS/NYT Oct. '98: Do Clinton's actions warrant impeachment/removal?
Yes 37%
No 60%

Jim in CT 09-30-2019 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175339)
CBS/YouGov now: Does Trump deserve to be impeached, not deserve to be, or too soon to say?
Deserves it 42%
Doesn't deserve 36%
Too soon 22%

CBS/NYT Oct. '98: Do Clinton's actions warrant impeachment/removal?
Yes 37%
No 60%

dun dun dun!

how accurate were those polls in measuring what would happen at the election?

if those polls are accurate, you have nothing to worry about. yet you desperately post every negative tidbit you can find.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 12:59 PM

TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
(per his statements)

1. Those investigating me are traitors and must be put to death.

2. My political enemies must be imprisoned.

3. Those who oppose me who aren't put to death or imprisoned will face armed insurrection by my supporters.

Pete F. 09-30-2019 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175340)
dun dun dun!

how accurate were those polls in measuring what would happen at the election?

if those polls are accurate, you have nothing to worry about. yet you desperately post every negative tidbit you can find.
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CBS/NYT Oct. '98: Do Clinton's actions warrant impeachment/removal?
Yes 37%
No 60%

These numbers are from a few days after the House voted to impeach Clinton.

It's not by popular vote.

Trump's impeachment will be driven by how people react to the evidence provided, if the Senate thinks that it is politically expedient for him to go, he's gone.
They want to get re-elected, don't be dreaming that it is not political.

Jim in CT 09-30-2019 01:05 PM

prank call in which Schiff thinks he’s talking to Ukrainian officials, telling them he’d accept any dirt on Trump they could give him.

Is his intent, an impeachable offense?

Let me answer for you: No, because shut up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...-in-prank-call
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Sea Dangles 09-30-2019 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175326)
What did Hillary do that was unethical?

How about screwing over Bernie to start. Or is that acceptable behavior?
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175346)
How about screwing over Bernie to start. Or is that acceptable behavior?
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plus getting debate questions ahead of time, some speeches to wall street that were problematic for her, easy to look up.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175343)
prank call in which Schiff thinks he’s talking to Ukrainian officials, telling them he’d accept any dirt on Trump they could give him.

Is his intent, an impeachable offense?

Let me answer for you: No, because shut up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...-in-prank-call
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You ought to read stuff before you post it

At the very end of the story, FOX says that Schiff suspected it was a prank, called the FBI before the call, recorded the call, the reported back to FBI afterwards. The implication the it was a secret deal to get dirt is an lie. Once Trump agreed to take Russian help, Putin owned him, and he still does, and Fox helps keep him in power. Shame on them.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 01:50 PM

The but Hillary is strong in you
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175350)
The but Hillary is strong in you
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me? who brought up the idea that russian interference hurt hilary, me or you?

you got me good on the schiff story though, clobbered me.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175351)
me? who brought up the idea that russian interference hurt hilary, me or you?

you got me good on the schiff story though, clobbered me.
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You injected Hillary into the discussion
I brought up this, below, and the questions are at the end, they refer to the RNC emails that were hacked and never released?
Could be because there’s nothing there or there is and it’s in use.

What we know:
1 Russia hacked the DNC and leaked the emails.
2 Russia hacked the RNC and never leaked the emails.
3 The GOP never Trumpers (McCarthy) jump on the Trump wagon
What does Russia have? What is the level of corruption found?
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175352)
You injected Hillary into the discussion
I brought up this, below, and the questions are at the end, they refer to the RNC emails that were hacked and never released?
Could be because there’s nothing there or there is and it’s in use.

What we know:
1 Russia hacked the DNC and leaked the emails.
2 Russia hacked the RNC and never leaked the emails.
3 The GOP never Trumpers (McCarthy) jump on the Trump wagon
What does Russia have? What is the level of corruption found?
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so when you bring up russian interference via emails, that’s got nothing to do with Hilary? if you say so.
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PaulS 09-30-2019 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175346)
How about screwing over Bernie to start. Or is that acceptable behavior?
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How did Hillary screw over Bernie?

PaulS 09-30-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175348)
plus getting debate questions ahead of time, some speeches to wall street that were problematic for her, easy to look up.
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What was the question she got? I believe it was 1 question.

And why were the speeches problematic? Is it bc she refuses to release them and you don't know what she talked about?

Pete F. 09-30-2019 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175353)
so when you bring up russian interference via emails, that’s got nothing to do with Hilary? if you say so.
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Maybe what was on the RNC server is what Putin will release if Trump discloses their discussions.
The Russians said you better not do that.
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175355)
What was the question she got? I believe it was 1 question.

And why were the speeches problematic? Is it bc she refuses to release them and you don't know what she talked about?

bernie wanted speeches released, she resisted.

paul, did your side make a big deal about how the email
release hurt Hilary, or not? can we start there?
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175359)
Maybe what was on the RNC server is what Putin will release if Trump discloses their discussions.
The Russians said you better not do that.
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maybe.

what we know for sure, is that when the russian hacked emails
were released, everyone on the left, and everyone in the media, said this hurt Hilary. that can only be true, if the voters didn’t like
what the emails revealed. in that case, the content of the emails
is more important than who released them.
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PaulS 09-30-2019 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175360)
bernie wanted speeches released, she resisted.

paul, did your side make a big deal about how the email
release hurt Hilary, or not? can we start there?
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But you have posted numerous times almost the same thing about the speeches that you said above and that you wanted them released. So what was the big scandal with her not releasing speeches that she was paid for by private entities that hired her?

Would you release the completion factors that your employer paid you to develop?


And what was the question that turned the tide for Hillary? Did Trump receive any questions ahead of time?

Pete F. 09-30-2019 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175361)
maybe.

what we know for sure, is that when the russian hacked emails
were released, everyone on the left, and everyone in the media, said this hurt Hilary. that can only be true, if the voters didn’t like
what the emails revealed. in that case, the content of the emails
is more important than who released them.
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If your opinion is that it is acceptable or even desirable to have foreign nations interfere in our elections you are not advocating for anything near rule of law.
Though it is hard to see how you do anyways, since you support the lawless Trump.
Trump thinks laws are good, but only as long as they work in his favor. If they aren't working for him, call Colludy and Joey Di.

Jim in CT 09-30-2019 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175362)
But you have posted numerous times almost the same thing about the speeches that you said above and that you wanted them released. So what was the big scandal with her not releasing speeches that she was paid for by private entities that hired her?

Would you release the completion factors that your employer paid you to develop?


And what was the question that turned the tide for Hillary? Did Trump receive any questions ahead of time?

can you answer my question possibly? did your side make a big deal that releasing these emails
hurt hilary, yes or no?

if i was applying for a chief actuary job, and my employer wanted to see transcripts of speeches i gave, unless there was proprietary intellectual property in there, i’d feel
like i had to divulge it. that’s actually a great question. So was
mine.
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Jim in CT 09-30-2019 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175364)
If your opinion is that it is acceptable or even desirable to have foreign nations interfere in our elections you are not advocating for anything near rule of law.
Though it is hard to see how you do anyways, since you support the lawless Trump.
Trump thinks laws are good, but only as long as they work in his favor. If they aren't working for him, call Colludy and Joey Di.

you’re trying really hard not to answer my question, aren’t you?

if russia jacked the voting machines or spread lies, that’s interference. if they revealed truth that hilary his and that her pals in the media had no intent of uncovering, that’s more like whistleblowing.
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PaulS 09-30-2019 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175365)
can you answer my question possibly? did your side make a big deal that releasing these emails
hurt hilary, yes or no?

if i was applying for a chief actuary job, and my employer wanted to see transcripts of speeches i gave, unless there was proprietary intellectual property in there, i’d feel
like i had to divulge it. that’s actually a great question. So was
mine.
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Funny you ask that in a post where you ignore questions.

What was the question(s) that threw the nomination to Hilary? and did Trump receive any questions?

Completion factors are proprietary.

Pete F. 09-30-2019 03:01 PM

This is the question many people would like to have answered.
No simple answer exists, Fivethirtyeight is pretty good at poll analysis and did look at it. They did not come to a clear-cut solution. The article is somewhat extensive with some data. Political geeks will argue over it for years.

How did Hillary Clinton blow a 7-percentage-point lead over Donald Trump in the final month of the campaign? Much of the post-election analysis has revolved around FBI Director James Comey’s letter to Congress on Oct. 28. Less attention was spent on the role that WikiLeaks played. Until, that is, news broke that the CIA thought Russia actively tried to help Trump win; figures connected to the Russian government allegedly hacked Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails, which then found their way to WikiLeaks. So what effect did WikiLeaks have on the election?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...llary-clinton/

Pete F. 09-30-2019 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175366)
you’re trying really hard not to answer my question, aren’t you?

if russia jacked the voting machines or spread lies, that’s interference. if they revealed truth that hilary his and that her pals in the media had no intent of uncovering, that’s more like whistleblowing.
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It's illegal unlike whistleblowing.

Sea Dangles 09-30-2019 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175354)
How did Hillary screw over Bernie?

She accepted help in rigging the election against Bernie. That is only if you believe Bernie. Also,only if you consider getting answers to questions before they are asked to be unethical. Did you consider that fair play?
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PaulS 09-30-2019 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175370)
She accepted help in rigging the election against Bernie. That is only if you believe Bernie. Also,only if you consider getting answers to questions before they are asked to be unethical. Did you consider that fair play?
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specifics please. So what was this question that threw the nomination to Hillary? I find it hard to believe that one question threw the nomination. And if Trump received similar help would that be unethical also?
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Sea Dangles 09-30-2019 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175374)
specifics please. So what was this question that threw the nomination to Hillary? I find it hard to believe that one question threw the nomination. And if Trump received similar help would that be unethical also?
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Bernie believes this to be the case,google it. And no,if Trump received help it is perfectly fine.

Why not answer my question?
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PaulS 09-30-2019 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175375)
Bernie believes this to be the case,google it. And no,if Trump received help it is perfectly fine.

Why not answer my question?
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Do you realize how hypocritical your statement is? Can you please provide a link where Bernie says Hillary being given one question ruined his chance to be the Democratic candidate. And your first statement was that Hillary accepted help not that Bernie said it.
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spence 09-30-2019 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1175374)
specifics please. So what was this question that threw the nomination to Hillary? I find it hard to believe that one question threw the nomination. And if Trump received similar help would that be unethical also?
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Complaining about the debate questions is trivial. Only thing the Clinton campaign did of substance was to arm twist the DNC on cash which was hardball but not illegal. Sanders wasn't going to get the nomination anyway. Clinton only lost because of her self inflicted email issues and Russian interference.

Right now I'm a lot more concerned about real corruption and dysfunction in this Administration that is an order of magnitude beyond what I've ever seen. As the impeachment subpoenas continue to come forth the circle of wagons is going to get really tight really fast. Did you see Miller, Jordan and McCarthy on Sunday? They are all clueless on how to respond other than spouting conspiracy theories. We have a lawless leader, it's time to fix that.

PaulS 09-30-2019 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175377)
Complaining about the debate questions is trivial.

Of course it is. But that's what some of the people on the right have become here. It's not right to give her the question but the question they gave her was something any candidate would prepare for. Mountain out of a molehill.
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RIROCKHOUND 09-30-2019 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175377)
Complaining about the debate questions is trivial. Only thing the Clinton campaign did of substance was to arm twist the DNC on cash which was hardball but not illegal. Sanders wasn't going to get the nomination anyway. Clinton only lost because of her self inflicted email issues and Russian interference.

Right now I'm a lot more concerned about real corruption and dysfunction in this Administration that is an order of magnitude beyond what I've ever seen. As the impeachment subpoenas continue to come forth the circle of wagons is going to get really tight really fast. Did you see Miller, Jordan and McCarthy on Sunday? They are all clueless on how to respond other than spouting conspiracy theories. We have a lawless leader, it's time to fix that.

Miller just looked bat#^&#^&#^&#^& crazy.... but don’t worry he has worked in government for 3 years and knows what a deep state operation looks like.....
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 06:59 PM

Flashback: Pompeo was asked last week by ABC whether he knew about the conversation between Trump and Zelensky. He demurred, saying he just got the report. We now know he took part in the call itself.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 07:02 PM

NEW: Attorney General William Barr has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials, including in the U.K. and Italy, seeking their help in investigation of the Russia investigation.
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Got Stripers 09-30-2019 07:05 PM

Whataboutism! Disrtraction! Fear! Corruption! Moscow Mitch might be distancing himself, maybe he sees the writing on the walls. Trump can’t quite understand why the crap he got away with in the private sector won’t work in Washington.
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PaulS 09-30-2019 07:06 PM

yep, scumminess runs through this Administration. Trump calls The Whistleblower a spy, the whistleblowers lawyers say he's afraid as he has been threatened by Trump, Trump then says he deserves to know who the Whistleblower is. Another indication he has no idea what the law is.
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Pete F. 09-30-2019 07:13 PM

Just in: Sebastian Gorka is traveling with @SecPompeo to Europe, @Abs_NBC reports. He was seen getting into a State Department van headed to Joint Base Andrews for departure
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