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Nebe 01-30-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1161170)
I’m starting a rumor that it actually stands for
Make America Green Already
Maybe all the Trumplicans will throw them in the garbage along with their Keurigs, Nikes and gift cards from Penzeys and Starbucks.
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Make America Think Again
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scottw 01-30-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1161170)

I’m starting a rumor

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nobody pays attention to you

wdmso 01-30-2019 04:15 PM

Double standard what a comical thread

if Obama said or did a fraction of What Trump has done and Said

Those here defending Trump today would have all had brain aneurysms
and become dehydrated from all the foam coming from their mouths


But yet the more he says the dumber His statements or his actions become the deeper they entrench themselves in his defence .. it's amazing to watch :rotflmao:

wdmso 01-30-2019 04:26 PM

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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!

193K
9:28 PM - Jan 28, 2019

Nebe 01-30-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161174)
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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!

193K
9:28 PM - Jan 28, 2019

And yet his golf course in Scotland had sea walls built to account for sea level rise.
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Jim in CT 01-30-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161168)
Some people view his comments and actions as racist.

and many liberals, think that everyone who disagrees with them, is racist. see hilary’s deplorables
speech. i remember inamamkept saying the
mccain campaign was racist. it gets old.
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Pete F. 01-30-2019 05:56 PM

The best (and worst) thing about the cult of Trumpism is that any deviation from the officially prescribed adoration is cause for ostracism. Trumpism cannot accept dissenting views from its supporters and will countenance no accountability for the dear leader. What is good is what is Trump; and whatever Trump is, is by definition good.

Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino.

On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”


I know the real Trump better than most. For 3½ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day.

Others who have known him, including his son Eric and former football player Herschel Walker insist he is not a racist. But I don’t see how anyone who has watched him across the 40 or so years could conclude otherwise. After all, he has been so public about it.

We can go back to the start of his career in the early 1970s and the outrage he expressed when Trump and his father were charged by the federal government with discriminating against African-Americans in the rental housing they owned in New York City. Trump’s response was to hire Roy Cohn, who then countersued, calling the Justice Department attorneys “storm troopers” and “Gestapo.” The Trumps ultimately agreed to integrate their buildings, but the Justice Department acknowledged they never really complied. Because they didn’t want to. As Donald saw it, and I remember him voicing a version of this idea within the inner circle of his executives on several occasions: “Blacks don’t want to live with whites, so why isn’t it OK for whites not to want to live with blacks?” I know that in similar fashion he despised the affirmative action guidelines (50 percent female and 30 percent minority at every level) we were required to implement to maintain our gaming license. He would say it was not realistic and a waste of money to train people who did not have the ability.

I recall one busy Saturday night, walking the casino floor with him, when he saw what he considered an inordinate number of black customers. “It’s looking a little dark in here,” he calmly stated. It was his way of telling me to limit our charter bus programs in urban neighborhoods. I ignored him and continued to run the business in the best interest of Donald, the bondholders and the employees.

Sea Dangles 01-30-2019 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1161167)
To me its just a red hat. What I think it may stand for could be completely different than what others think - and that should be fine based on free speech and freedom of expression. I don't wear or even have a MAGA hat but I have other hats that are red - amazing to see people I meet looking real close to what my red hat says like they're ready to pounce - in my case River Whyless, a band I love.

Just look in a mirror and keep repeating: It's only a red hat, It's only a red hat".

To Nebe ,that puts you in Hitlers inner circle🤡
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wdmso 01-31-2019 05:11 AM

again the Trump supporter are unable to apply the same standard to themselves ..

they compare reactions to Trump's MAGA hat as hate or some form of reverse racism

They use Terms snowflake, socialism , communist Terrorism as their catch all with all whom they disagree Fear drives everything conservative

they see someone wearing a Che Guevara or Mao Tse-tung t-shirt to them it means something

But Trump's MANGA hat is just a Hat ... and a white supremacist wearing a swastika or other white national symbols are just exercising there 1st amendment rights ...

Their must be no mirrors in conservative household unless have to you.. say Mirror mirror on the wall whos the most American of us all...

scottw 01-31-2019 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161206)

they see someone wearing a Che Guevara or Mao Tse-tung t-shirt to them it means something

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you know those guys were responsible for the torture, killing and death of millions of people....right???

Sea Dangles 01-31-2019 05:44 AM

Don’t let the facts get in the way of the truth Wayne.
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scottw 01-31-2019 05:59 AM

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this is great....

Sea Dangles 01-31-2019 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1161211)
this is great....

They see the hat and run for a safe space.
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Jim in CT 01-31-2019 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161206)
again the Trump supporter are unable to apply the same standard to themselves ..

they compare reactions to Trump's MAGA hat as hate or some form of reverse racism

They use Terms snowflake, socialism , communist Terrorism as their catch all with all whom they disagree Fear drives everything conservative

they see someone wearing a Che Guevara or Mao Tse-tung t-shirt to them it means something

But Trump's MANGA hat is just a Hat ... and a white supremacist wearing a swastika or other white national symbols are just exercising there 1st amendment rights ...

Their must be no mirrors in conservative household unless have to you.. say Mirror mirror on the wall whos the most American of us all...

you know you are comparing trump with mass murderers, and mass enslavers, right? jesus.
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Pete F. 01-31-2019 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1161213)
you know you are comparing trump with mass murderers, and mass enslavers, right? jesus.
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What mass murderers did he compare Trump with, not Duterte that Trump admires
Or mass enslavers like Kim Jong-un who is a great friend of Trumps
Perhaps his good friend Putin, who he has secret conversations with.
Or the current ruler of China, who greatly impressed Trump when he eliminated term limits
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scottw 01-31-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1161223)
What mass murderers did he compare Trump with, not Duterte that Trump admires
Or mass enslavers like Kim Jong-un who is a great friend of Trumps
Perhaps his good friend Putin, who he has secret conversations with.
Or the current ruler of China, who greatly impressed Trump when he eliminated term limits
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pete tell me you aren't this dumb...he compared someone wearing a maga hat to someone going cheguav chic or donning mao wear or a swasticka......the body counts are quite different .............the Clinton's have killed many more than MAGA:rotf2:

wdmso 01-31-2019 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1161213)
you know you are comparing trump with mass murderers, and mass enslavers, right? jesus.
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No just making the observation that a T-shirt or a hat have meanings
And it depends who’s wearing it a child or an adult that also makes a difference
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The Dad Fisherman 01-31-2019 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161206)
again the Trump supporter are unable to apply the same standard to themselves ..

they compare reactions to Trump's MAGA hat as hate or some form of reverse racism

They use Terms snowflake, socialism , communist Terrorism as their catch all with all whom they disagree Fear drives everything conservative

they see someone wearing a Che Guevara or Mao Tse-tung t-shirt to them it means something

But Trump's MANGA hat is just a Hat ... and a white supremacist wearing a swastika or other white national symbols are just exercising there 1st amendment rights ...

Their must be no mirrors in conservative household unless have to you.. say Mirror mirror on the wall whos the most American of us all...

Every time I read one of your posts like this, it just reaffirms the belief that the true crisis that is gripping America is the decreased availability of affordable prescription medications. :rolleyes:

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161225)
No just making the observation that a T-shirt or a hat have meanings
And it depends who’s wearing it a child or an adult that also makes a difference
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of course they have meanings. but an “i love mao” hat isn’t the same as maga, because you can’tl compare trump and mao.
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Jim in CT 01-31-2019 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1161225)
No just making the observation that a T-shirt or a hat have meanings
And it depends who’s wearing it a child or an adult that also makes a difference
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if
matters if kids are wearing it? are you drunk? tell that to the KY kids who were crucified for wearing maga hats.
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PaulS 01-31-2019 08:02 AM

So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161232)
So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat.

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

PaulS 01-31-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1161234)
"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.No, but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist. After enough people in MAGA hats (not red hats, but red hats w/MAGA on them) yell racist things the data is credible enough to know that you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population w/o the hat. You're an actuary so you know that is true. It is not saying by any stretch that all MAGA wearing people are racist.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat. Who is "they"? Are you doing exactly what you just railed against in your 2nd sentence above?

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161232)
So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

Paul, to clarify, I think words (from a POTUS) matter a great deal, and Trumps words are usually a grave disappointment to me. But he's not issuing a call to arms for racists (in fact he has decried racism countless times), there isn't (despite his disgusting words to the contrary) a lot of right wing violence with him paying for defense fees.

scottw 01-31-2019 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161232)

It's happening all over -- "


:huh:

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161236)
Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

"but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist"

Fine. Hold THEM accountable. But don't transfer their guilt, to people who wear a similar baseball cap who aren't doing anything wrong. The hat is irrelevant. The person, and his actions, are what matter.

"the data is credible enough to know that some people wearing those hats are racist "

Agreed. But the hat doesn't make them racist, their actions do.

"you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population"

I don't concede that for a second.

"Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc"

Did the kids claim that Trump made them do it? Or are you just speculating?

"Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person "

Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us. And the alternative in the 2016 election, was also a vile disgusting person.

PaulS 01-31-2019 08:32 AM

And I thought this thread was about a member here who was nicknamed double standard for his always attempting to argue the exact opposite depending on whether it was a Rep. or a Dem. Hope he is ok as he hasn't been around for a while.

PaulS 01-31-2019 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1161239)
Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us.

How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

scottw 01-31-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161240)
And I thought this thread was about a member here who was nicknamed double standard for his always attempting to argue the exact opposite depending on whether it was a Rep. or a Dem. Hope he is ok as he hasn't been around for a while.

it's too early to be drinking on a Thursday Paul :btu:

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 08:37 AM

Lastly Paul, some of the taunting by Trump supporters, is defensive. I'm so sick of the left trying to label us all as haters, that even I want to buy a MAGA hat and walk around the Wesleyan campus wearing it, saying "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" to everyone. DO you really not see what the liberal politicians and the media have done to the level of discourse since they turned on Bush? Trump has taken it to new lows without doubt, but it's been a long long time since political discourse was ethical. Hilary's deplorables comment was a perfect example. Obama said "Republicans gotta stop just hating all the time".

I think conservatives got tired of getting hit below the belt, so they nominated someone who could win in the arena of dirty fighting.

That doesn't explain all of it, not even close. But there is some of that. I don't know many conservatives who don't feel that way. Look at what happened to Kavanaugh, look at what happened to the Covington kids, look at the questions NBC asked the Sandman kid (very challenging questions, painted him as the aggressor), and the stupid softball questions she asked Phillips.

It hasn't been fair for a few years. The conservatives finally took off the gloves and put on brass knuckles, and the left wasn't expecting it. And they can't deal with it, they thought only they were allowed to fight dirty.

scottw 01-31-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161241)
How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

not that much actually...and the mom jeans were pretty funny

Jim in CT 01-31-2019 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1161241)
How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

Now I have to look up Obama mom jeans. I don't have any idea what that was. And sure, I poked fun at Obama. Not hundreds of times, not every single day. This is all day, every day.

Sea Dangles 01-31-2019 08:43 AM

Perhaps it is the message on the hat that makes these folks lose their minds. I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing. Others clearly are opposed to this concept and wil do anything to obstruct and malign this message of unity.
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Pete F. 01-31-2019 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1161245)
Now I have to look up Obama mom jeans. I don't have any idea what that was. And sure, I poked fun at Obama. Not hundreds of times, not every single day. This is all day, every day.

Perhaps it is because Trumps goal is to be in the news everyday, all day and he is quite effective at it.

Numerous experienced politicians have told him he'd get more accomplished if he behaved differently.

He has not changed.

And so far his legislative accomplishments are not noteworthy.

scottw 01-31-2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1161248)
Perhaps it is because Trumps goal is to be in the news everyday, all day and he is quite effective at it.

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Bill Clinton started that...Obama was pretty good at it too....

scottw 01-31-2019 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1161248)

And so far his legislative accomplishments are not noteworthy.

well...he's not a legislator

Cool Beans 01-31-2019 09:03 AM

To hell with this... maybe we should just embrace the hate.. and admit that we on the right are all racists and all we want to do is kill all the minorities and Make America White Again......

No matter what any Republican or Conservative on here says... certain people will always use "their superior intellect" and "critical thinking" to change facts by using their feelings, emotions and huge brains into "new facts" that prove we are all Hitler loving racists. We all love Putin and Kim Jung Un... By wanting to protect our great country we are uncaring racists... Both parties have all promoted border security as major parts of their party, but only one side is racist...

Like I said before... We are living in the Twilight Zone........

PaulS 01-31-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1161244)
not that much actually...and the mom jeans were pretty funny

Still got those pictures in case anyone doesn't know what we are talking about?

PaulS 01-31-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 1161251)
To hell with this... maybe we should just embrace the hate.. and admit that we on the right are all racists and all we want to do is kill all the minorities and Make America White Again......

No matter what any Republican or Conservative on here says... certain people will always use "their superior intellect" and "critical thinking" to change facts by using their feelings, emotions and huge brains into "new facts" that prove we are all Hitler loving racists. We all love Putin and Kim Jung Un... By wanting to protect our great country we are uncaring racists... Both parties have all promoted border security as major parts of their party, but only one side is racist...

Like I said before... We are living in the Twilight Zone........

Maybe you should try using your "superior intellect" or "critical thinking" instead of always trying to insult people in your posts.

PaulS 01-31-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1161247)
Perhaps it is the message on the hat that makes these folks lose their minds. I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing. Others clearly are opposed to this concept and wil do anything to obstruct and malign this message of unity.
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When did you think America wasn't great.


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