But that was not the job he was given, was it?
I’ve seen no credible evidence that Mueller cares about anything other than finding the truth and none in being on any other team.
Same motto as Superman, Truth, Justice and The American Way.
Trump’s biggest downfall will be that he has no idea how to recruit and grow a team, or lead one.
I’ve worked for a number of people in my life but never for a successful leader who would throw his hires under the bus. The best ones guide and keep you on the road to greatness with them.
Michael Cohen and the rest of Trump’s cronies wouldn’t be on that road or would have taken a early exit to a different path.
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He said he will sign a crime bill ...

it might be unprecedented for republicans, trump supporters and folks on the right ...though you don't have to look far to find folks on the right harshly critical of trump and his cronies..click on that conservative bastion National Review on any given day....

it's is not unprecedented for democrats and the left however, we've seen this all before...which is why the folks that you demand share your concerns don't seem to give a crap when you complain....this appears to be a tough concept for the left and media...for decades the left and liberal media have defended all of this behavior which they now find abhorrent....you are like former smokers or recovering alcoholics...or folks who recently found God....with this holier than thou attitude because you(the left generally) have suddenly seen the light...we know it's nothing more than partisan posturing...feigned indignation

it's pretty funny....

not exactly true. the 2008 recession happened pretty damn quick. the current correction happened quick.

guys, he inherited a robust economy, and he made it a little better. most business leaders say that the confidence he provides that there’s a businessman in the white house, the regulations he did away with, and the tax cut, all helped.


What are you afraid will happen, if you admit he helped the economy? no one is saying he inherited a mess. But he did things differently from his predecessor, and they pretty much worked. the market is tumbling because of profit taking, the fed, global concerns, the sense that a recession is inevitable, and his tariff war ( the only one of these things he controls).

your total lack of ability to be objective with this guy, is something to behold. it really is.
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Never said he didn’t help somewhat help keep the ship moving forward, but I also suspect there wouldn’t have been much difference with any other candidate, not in the first couple years. You are mistaken that the economy can turn on a dime, sure the stock market can make corrections quickly, but i wasn’t talking about the market.

While Trumps moves, primarily for corporate America and the upper class, certainly kept things going; his moves this past year seem to be having the opposite affect. If you want to make the case the market is a good barameter of the economy, how is loosing well over an entire years gains anything but negative?
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"but I also suspect there wouldn’t have been much difference with any other candidate, not in the first couple years. "

Maybe. No way of knowing. There are economists who say we're overdue for a recession, and that his pro-growth policies are helping delay that. The corporate tax cut is a big deal, and that was him.

"You are mistaken that the economy can turn on a dime"

Not on a dime. But not always at the pace of a cargo ship or glacier, either. I'm also not talking just about the market.

"While Trumps moves, primarily for corporate America and the upper class"

Black unemployment lowest EVER. Every move that a POTUS makes to grow the economy in a macro sense, will help the wealthy more, because they have more to invest, therefore they benefit more from growth. Did income inequality not increase when Obama got the economy back on track? How come no one cried about income inequality when Obama was exacerbating it? Can you answer that? I never, not once, heard you guys complain about income inequality from 2009-2016, and for damn sure the market gains increased income inequality. In January 2017, income inequality became a bad thing.

"his moves this past year seem to be having the opposite affect. "

You're all over the place. First you said that the economy only changes slowly, now you're saying that the moves that Trump made this year, are hurting the economy. Also, before you said there was more to the economy than the stock market, now you are focusing on the market correction, when all other economic fundamentals are healthy and robust.

So let's summarize what you are saying:

Trump inherited a healthy economy

there is more to the economy than the stock market performance

he made some moves in 2017, but they probably didn't contribute much to the economic improvement that occurred in 2017. The economic results in 2017 (which were good), aren't a result of trump.

Now in 2018, the stock market is doing poorly, everything else (unemployment and GDP and corporate profits) are favorable. And all of a sudden, (1) all that matters is stock market performance, let's ignore GDP and unemployment, and (2) NOW that "the economy" is doing poorly, and only then, does Trump own the results.

Sounds fair.

Trump made the same mistake with tax cuts as Reagan
It cost GW Bush a second term
A more realistic tax cut would have been sustainable and could have been structured to grow the economy
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"It cost GW Bush a second term"

GW Bush increased taxes when he promised not to. THAT cost him a second term.

"A more realistic tax cut would have been sustainable and could have been structured to grow the economy"

It was too much aimed at businesses, I agree. But isn't it fair to say at this point, that it is growing the economy? GDP growth Is better than it's been in a long time.

Tack on another goody.

No I'm actually not all over the place, but spin it however you like. Didn't say the stock market dive this year means the economy has turned on a dime, but I'll applaud your attempt to try to put words in my mouth. I don't have the time or desire to spend the time you and others find to type detailed and mind numbing at time responses to insure meaning is crystal clear. It was too nice a day to play golf. What most economists, the Fed's and this year clearly by the stock market fear; is that the economy and run might be coming to an end. But like I said earlier despite your attempt to read it otherwise, is that even that will take time. At the end of his 4 year term, assuming he even makes it, we can debate again how is policies helped or hurt the economy.

Does this mean that you will stop talking about Trump's bad influence on the economy for two more years?

How will you ever entertain yourselves, clearly you must be looking for someone fresh to post you links, videos and news articles to make "your" opinions known?

When have I said that something I link is "my" opinion? Are things you link "your" opinion?

I think the very few links I’ve posted I believe were about climate change and were posted to prove my point that the scientific community is in agreement on what is happening, why it’s happening and why it’s so important to try to slow it. That’s not a political opinion by one party or person I’m posting, much different and by volume night and day different.
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Ok, your links are better than mine. Somehow, I don't care. And will continue to link in the future if I think it's appropriate. And the vast majority of my posts are not links. But if they get under your skin in some teeny way, they're probably good.

No problem on this end, nothing gets under my skin, although the slow fore-some in front of us yesterday was getting frustrating for all four of us.

I appreciate we all are entitled to our own opinions and our forefathers fought hard to insure our freedom to express them, even thou Trump seems to feel that in doing so you are the enemy of the American people (reads ME). My only point in posting about the links, is that when I ask someone to give me their bullet list of accomplishments, I didn't want to go read someone else's view of what they were. Additionally for every link you post, if I took the time, I'm sure I can come up with an opposing and just as legitimate position.

But you don't.

Trump urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to change Senate rules and allow a simple majority to pass the spending bill, rather than 60 votes, a major disruption to Senate protocol known as the "nuclear option."

not sure why such behavior is not seen by Trmp fans as inappropriate
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It has always required only 51 percent of the votes to pass a bill in the Senate. The 60 vote Senate rule is to get cloture on debate.

It's not unconstitutional. It's not illegal. It's a Senate self imposed rule that has changed over time. The nuclear option has already been invoked a couple of times, so the Senate rule and custom has already been changed. Appropriateness is in the eyes of the Senators. If 51 go with it, then only 51 votes are needed for cloture. Then the vote can be taken, and if 51 or 50 plus the Vice President vote to pass a bill, it goes to the Pres to be signed.

It becomes a sore spot to the party that is not in power, which will say things like it's inappropriate, even though they have done so in the past.

do you know who came
up with the nuclear option, and when? it wasn’t trump. harry reid started it. god almighty. what’s good for the goose...
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Because you choose not to see it. Or are totally in an information bubble where the evidence is not allowed.

There should not have been a special Prosecutor appointed in the first place. There was no evidence of collusion or conspiracy to begin with. These prosecutors are not appointed to look for a crime, but to prosecute an identified crime.

And when phony, illegal means to spy on Americans, such as was the unverified so-called "dossier," are used to get FISA warrants, and that the document was paid for by the competing "team" (and even that was not told to the FISA judge), nor was the leader of that competing team being investigated for obvious, blatant, disregard of policy regarding emails, and who had shown favorable action toward Russia re a uranium deal which opened the spigot for huge donations to her private foundation, those are major warnings that "truth" is not the objective, and that the other "team" was being favored.

You guys are funny he had the Senate and the House for 2 years

But now since his party lost the house he wants to change the rules I call that a sore loser

Again JIM what Harry Reid did was for judges appoints not legislation and Trump has used that change...
But once again you see them as the same

It's not unconstitutional. It's not illegal. The new conservatives rational when their party behaves unethical or TRUMP

What Harry Reid did was invoke the so-called nuclear option. Period. The idea that it can only be used for judges, is ridiculous.

Oh, this is only for judges guys. You can't use it for anything else. Really?? Well how did you get to use it for judges? How was that supposedly "appropriate" if the nuclear option for judges changed the Senate rules?

It's an option, or a precedent, which has changed the rules, not a special occasion for the benefit of Harry Reid and his party that must never be used by any other person or party because . . . because Harry and the Democrats are special. Don't you see? This must only be used for judges because Harry said so.

Nah. That's BS.

No the only Bs is you don't have an issue with the POTUS attempting a power grab in the dark of night because he couldn't get it done any other way

Why wait till now to use that nuke when you had 2 years to use it .?? I'd love to hear your answer to that

This is a familiar scenario that the public got used to in the previous administrations.
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Trump does not have the power to use the nuclear option. He is not a senator. He can ask his party affiliated senators, who supposedly support the building of the wall to use it. Or else they're just a bunch of the usual political liars, like the Democrats who used to say they wanted a border fence of some kind but now they say that it is immoral.

The nuclear option genie has been let out of the bottle. It may well become the norm--become "appropriate." That was probably the intention of those who wrote the Constitution.

Trump may have waited till now because he was probably too naïve in thinking that politicians are like business dealers who do what is best for their businesses. So he tried to negotiate, cajole, media shame them, convince them that it was best for the country. Finding that political concerns are more important to politicians, and that there is one slim moment to get the job done, now was the time to go nuclear. Or maybe he's just a sexist, racist, corrupt, anti-American, self promoting, narcist, colluding traitor who thinks the wall will satisfy all his inner psychopathy, and, like Nero, watches the country burn while he plays the game of power that he ultimately always wanted.

Everyone of your claims have been investigated and disproved
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Your wrong.

a lot of conservatives are upset trump waited this long. But the fact is, your side used the nuclear option when it suited them, and now the other side controls the senate. if you don’t like the use of the nuclear option, cry to Harry Reid.
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Jim you can try to spin it anyway you want ...

1st he was willing to sign the bill w\out the wall funding his base flips and then he flips

2nd spineless ryan sends something to the senate he knows won't pass but has what Trump wants in it

3rd trump knows he is losing and will never see anything from the house again Try's to influence the senate to change the rules ... not for the country but for his self image

Face it you have said it before you dont care what he does if you get what you want ... seems this just follows that thinking

Again not even close to what happened in 2013 but once again you love to act as if they are the same



April 2017, Senate Republicans led by Mitch McConnell extended the nuclear option to Supreme Court nominations in order to end debate on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch

As of November 2018, a three-fifths majority vote is still required to end debates on legislation.

whats alot?? do the outnumber those conservatives who are against it?

several Senators put out statements confirming their opposition, and confirming that there is not a majority in the conference to go down that road,”

shocking

The Don is now looking for a legal (like he really pays attention to what is or isn't) way to get rid of Jerome Powell, because his moves the Don is convinced are messing up the market. Must be that and not the trade war, the worries about the economy slowing, the Don knows what's best for the family. His window to profit over his moves is a short one, so he needs to pay attention (I know that too is a challenge) to what is happening in the financial sectors.

i’m not spinning anything for christ’s sake, i’m stating fact. Harry Reid invemted the idea of using the nuclear option, and if he was assuming the gop would
never again control the senate and that it could
never be used against democrats, we’ll tough cookies for them.

i am tucked trump waited this long. not only am i not offended he wants to use the nuclear option, it would
be asinine for
him not to do it. Why should
o let the democrats be able to avail
themselves if this tactic?

any chance, any chance at all, you could
answer that question?
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They don’t have the votes to do it
Flake, Alexander and Hatch have all said no to the nuclear option

Whomp Whomp
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Again keep hiding from the real reason Trump wants them to change the rules .... and ignore the timing .... unlike you I dont operate because dems did it then the GOP did it makes it fair game. to do it whenever you dont have the votes.... it's wrong period reguardless of party!!

both parties have bitten that poison apple once

I have respect for thoses who wish not to travel down that road ..