Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155391)

Are you going to make another prediction regarding this matter Jeff? You have a track record on things like this. Tell us what your insiders say.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155359)

It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1155404)

Is my track record based on reality or you reading Scott’s posts. What is my track record?
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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155407)

Isn’t this Trump’s tagline?
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1155428)

w/a Pres. under investigation and dozens of his staff arrested, indicted or under investigation

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1155434)

A performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” in Baltimore Wednesday night was marred by a man yelling “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump,” according to the Baltimore Sun.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155435)

Her name was Michelle Obama.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155451)

“Veterans Day often follows a hard-fought political campaign, an exercise in the free speech and self-government that you fought for. It often lays bare disagreements across our nation. But the American instinct has never been to find isolation in opposite corners. It is to find strength in our common creed, to forge unity from our great diversity, to sustain that strength and unity even when it is hard.

“It’s the example of the single most diverse institution in our country—soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and coastguardsmen who represent every corner of our country, every shade of humanity, immigrant and native-born, Christian, Muslim, Jew, and nonbeliever alike, all forged into common service.”
Barack Obama at Arlington, Veterans Day 2016

I suppose he could have stayed in the White House and sulked.

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1155294)

It is.

I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.

But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.

But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.

A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155701)

He regrets that he didn't go, and says he should have gone, but he reveals, contrary to the false notions created by various media. This is a very good interview with him by Chris Wallace. It covers a lot of things, including what HE means by fake news as opposed to what the media says he means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=e9pPFpGoy5E

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155701)

He regrets that he didn't go, and says he should have gone, but he reveals, contrary to the false notions created by various media. This is a very good interview with him by Chris Wallace. It covers a lot of things, including what HE means by fake news as opposed to what the media says he means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=e9pPFpGoy5E

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155703)

I don't have time to rebut all of Trumps false claims in this interview

https://youtu.be/K5D6z0VSpEc

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155703)

I don't have time to rebut all of Trumps false claims in this interview, he continually issues false statements or half-truths and claims that they are true.
Listen to this supposed Clinton supporter, who's given more to this country than Trump could ever think of
https://youtu.be/K5D6z0VSpEc

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155702)

I don't think what you say here is a difficult concept to understand. Your idea of what is now being touted as an American nationalism is what Bannon refers to as American economic nationalism and what Trump refers to when he claims to be a nationalist.

But the anti-Trump media either can't, or won't recognize Trump's easy to understand version by insisting on another version promulgated by Mussolini and Hitler, in which nationalism has strong ingredients of racism, fascism. This insinuates that Trump is a fascist racist whatever. And I believe that they stubbornly refuse to recognize the version you speak of in order to intentionally cast Trump as a fascist racist. As I say, it is not at all difficult to understand your version, nor Trump's version which is virtually the same as yours. Which is why I think the media intentionally distorts the truth and is "fake" when it does so.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155709)

He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1155718)

Pres. Trump has said that he has made a lot of sacrifices.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155709)

He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle and you respond every time, like a good obedient Trump Nationalist.

You could have said what I think you meant to say here without resulting to memes. And it's an idiotic meme. You don't need the notion of a dog whistle and me being a dog to say that I agree with much, not all, of what Trump means by nationalism. But if you had used plain, direct, non-symbolic, non-derogatory language, my agreement would have been perfectly rational and wouldn't have the negative connotations you wrap it in.

He's not a narcissist at all: "I would give myself, I would -- look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus, is that enough? Can I go higher than that?"

Why do you bring this up to me. I never said that he isn't a narcissist. I've said things like other Presidents being narcissists, even more so than Trump, but they were considered good or great Presidents anyway. No matter how important his narcissism is to you, your passionate concerns don't persuade me to care.

And when the media doesn't concur, he then judges them fake

I assume that he would know when the media says something about him that is not true. Fake is an operative word. Now, maybe the media in such cases is not false, just wrong. But he gets accused of lying when he is wrong. So I can see him giving their own chit back to them.

But I have pointed out egregious instances where media got it wrong, and did so intentionally, in my opinion. And those are just the tip of the iceberg of false or erroneous reportage that I have seen over a long period of time. "Conservatives," in general have been noticing this well before Trump. So we understand what Trump means. Not that he is always right.

And then you have Real news written by a Real president consisting of halftruths, falsehoods and a remark that would be expected from a sixth grader :biglaugh:

Yes, well, your ranting does resemble a kid who thinks he deserves the toy his mama won't buy for him. Not that it is so. Just sayin'

So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

Hopefully you can figure out the lack of truth in the tweet above, or perhaps in your's and Trump's America, Trumps claims outweigh the rule of law.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1155708)

Not to mention disparaging such a respected and dedicated military hero. You have to wonder if he has any concept for patriotism, sacrifice, duty...
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1155751)

Remember all the criticism Obama got for saluting one time with a coffee cup in his hand. The same people now seem to have lost their voice. Hippocrates.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155745)

Bring back the respect that Obama displayed.

I hear that he bent over for the military,or something like that.
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155727)

But he gets accused of lying when he is wrong

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1155764)

There have been so many lies and probably a easily a hundred fold mistruths, that it's hard to tell them apart any longer. I'm sure if you google how many outright lies or mistruths Trump has made since he took office the count is considerably higher than the huge number that was reported after his first year in office. How many this week, I loose track, from claiming he talked to the head of state in Finland about cleaning the forests to beating up on a highly decorated serviceman over his supposed support of Hilary.

Just think for a minute how the media's reporting of him would change had he not made all those statements which proved false or if he didn't use his twitter account to show us how civil he can be towards those he sees as his enemy. He keeps throwing dozens of live bunker into a pool filled with bluefish and he wonders why there is a constant feeding frenzy; come on you present yourself as an intelligent man and yet you don't see this?

No, I see a lot of other things that you don't mention, and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies. I think I see some lies as well as a lot of truths and a host of gibberish. Perhaps I'm not intelligent.

I do care about other things that he's done that Hillary wouldn't have done. I am concerned with the constant and rapid Democrat shift toward socialism and hope that the Republican shift to the left can more easily be diminished than the Democrat shift can.

And I mostly care about preserving as much of what's left of our original constitutional form of government. Hope as well that the shift can actually be reversed. For me, Trump and the wobbly Republicans were by far the better choice. Trump's supposed lies seem rather innocuous in light of what was about to happen with a Hillary and the Democrats takeover of the federal government, especially to the Supreme Court.

If the Republican party can wither into a constitutional leaning Libertarian party to face off against the Dems, that would make me happy. For a while at least. In the meantime, I'll stick with the weak kneed and shifty Repubs.

I think the fishing parallel might get the point across better, after all it is a fishing website.

Side bar for all those claiming (Yeah I'm talking about you Donald and a few on this board) the stock market is the best it's ever been, if he had his wealth in stocks he'd be taking a worse beating than I am lately. I can't imagine what some are loosing, I'm at only a risk level of 3 on a 1-10 scale and my retirement is down 7% from a year ago.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1155769)

Ivanka Trump used personal email for White House business


A Trump administration official told CBS News that Ms Trump's emails did not contain classified information, and what had occurred was basically a lack of understanding of the rules.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155766)

and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1155780)

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1155779)

Ignorance isn't an excuse for either Hillary or Ivanka and certainly with all the attention Hillary's use of personal emails, no fing way Ivanka didn't know that was a no no. Powerful people tend to make their own rules, been that way for centuries.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1155782)

I think it’s well over 7000 now.


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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1155780)

the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; .

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1155780)

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.