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Jim in CT 07-24-2018 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1147267)
Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..

But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....

what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??

How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??

The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here!
"And any immigration is an invasion"

Who is saying that legal immigration, done by people willing to assimilate, is bad? Who?

"what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable?? "

FFS, look it up in the dictionary.

As far as Muslims go, it means letting girls go to school instead of enslaving them, not forcing them to dress like ninjas if they don't want to, and accepting duly constituted civil laws even when they conflict with your religion. Embracing the culture of your new country, instead of wanting to incinerate everyone who embraces that culture, would also be a good start.

Pete F. 07-24-2018 09:40 AM
Demonizing others is not the path to a free society
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreign...istianity/amp/
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spence 07-24-2018 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147275)
Right, right. His policies have done nothing. The tax cuts (especially the corporate tax cut), the incentives to bring foreign profits back, the elimination of tons of regulations...none of that helped boost the economy. Nope, none of it.
Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed. Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders. The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative. Multi-nationals will be able to shift production (hurting American workers) but the smaller businesses and especially farmers are going to get hammered.

They say we're going to see a massive increase in GDP soon because corporations are stockpiling to prepare...then...

It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out. We're just in an endless cycle of walk backs, reactionary counter measures and instability. This isn't a way to run a government.

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1147279)
Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed. Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders. The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative. Multi-nationals will be able to shift production (hurting American workers) but the smaller businesses and especially farmers are going to get hammered.

They say we're going to see a massive increase in GDP soon because corporations are stockpiling to prepare...then...

It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out. We're just in an endless cycle of walk backs, reactionary counter measures and instability. This isn't a way to run a government.
"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147278)
Demonizing others is not the path to a free society
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreign...istianity/amp/
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No it is not.

And no one has been demonized more than Trump. A good portion of it is fair and accurate. A good portion of it is not.

Pete F. 07-24-2018 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147284)
"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?
Here is the data on wage Gains, they are insignificant
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.
Without the But....
The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years, leaving you with payments. If you were in a higher tax bracket it would not. Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Nor did you mention tariffs and how they will affect the great tax cut you received def. a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports.

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.
His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147288)
His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:
"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147288)
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:
http://jewishstandard.timesofisrael....ear-olds-life/

Just like Hitler would have done...helped save a little Jewish boy.

Pete F. 07-24-2018 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147290)
"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-09/trump-promised-to-eliminate-national-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.
Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.
I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...onomic-growth/

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147295)
I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...onomic-growth/
"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.

Pete F. 07-24-2018 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147299)
"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.
You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

Jim in CT 07-24-2018 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147300)
You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.
"You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama"

Never said a word about how you voted, not a word.

"I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few. "

me either. I can accurately point out the good and the bad. You can't, by your own admission (you refused to concede that low unemployment is good, and you admitted that your refusal was based on a desire to not say anything complimentary of Trump) accept the good.

"In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view"

Who said that? Obama added more to the deficit than Trump did, and he didn't put any money in my pocket by doing so. Trump is generating deficits, but at least helping almost everyone along the way.

You're a Republican? Right.....

Pete F. 07-24-2018 02:04 PM
Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant
I've said plenty of times Trump already gives himself more credit than he's due.
You've sold your children's future, put your values away and what did you get for it?
A camper
Two Supreme Court picks

The Dad Fisherman 07-24-2018 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1147271)
Do you need a referral?
No, I need Rogain

zimmy 07-24-2018 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147274)
huh??
This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification

On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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Sea Dangles 07-24-2018 04:22 PM
Sounds like an opinion
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scottw 07-24-2018 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147306)

Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant
wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?

spence 07-24-2018 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147330)
wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?
No, he has it right.

scottw 07-24-2018 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1147314)
This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification

On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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nothing on FOX news is true...

and how is anything trump says the "republican party platform"? remember...the democrats(and the russians) elected him

Pete F. 07-24-2018 10:36 PM
Big gains for working people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ng-for-workers
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zimmy 07-24-2018 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147332)
nothing on FOX news is true...

and how is anything trump says the "republican party platform"? remember...the democrats(and the russians) elected him
He is the Republican party. The party of Reagan died.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c46588...ration-remarks

scottw 07-25-2018 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1147349)
The party of Reagan died.
know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump :huh:

Jim in CT 07-25-2018 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147347)
Big gains for working people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ng-for-workers
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ur_family.html
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The Dad Fisherman 07-25-2018 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1147350)
know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump :huh:
The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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wdmso 07-25-2018 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147351)
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ur_family.html
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall

Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America

PaulS 07-25-2018 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1147352)
The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.

Pete F. 07-25-2018 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147351)
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ur_family.html
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It’s the deficit, not crumbs
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter, below 2017’s pace, and considerably less than in 2014 and 2015:
This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. By this point, almost all economists recognize that income tax cuts no longer stimulate the economy enough to reduce deficits, as supply-siders thought they would back in the 1980s. But economists still held out some hope that lowering the corporate tax, which is believed to be more harmful than the personal income tax, would have a more salutary effect on the budget. Unfortunately, that hope appears to be fading, as fiscal deficits increase rapidly.
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Jim in CT 07-25-2018 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1147353)
A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall

Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America
I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.

The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.

The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc...

Jim in CT 07-25-2018 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1147355)
prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?

Have fun with that answer.

We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way.

Jim in CT 07-25-2018 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147356)
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This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. .
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.


Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?

PaulS 07-25-2018 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147370)
What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?

Have fun with that answer.

We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way.
Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.

The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger.

Pete F. 07-25-2018 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147372)
That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.


Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?
You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO

Jim in CT 07-25-2018 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1147375)
Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.

The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger.
As I've said, I have very little anger. I don't have much, politically speaking, to be angry about. November may change that. You are misinterpreting (in my opinion), my logic, for anger.

Paul, some people are, in fact, pieces of sh*t.

Jim in CT 07-25-2018 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1147376)
You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO
"You always get lost in But Obama"

And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.

"Obama's worked better than Bush's "

You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.

"Trump didn't start out in a hole"

No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.

Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.

"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"

Not until Bush jr.

"Limiting political speech"

Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter.

The Dad Fisherman 07-25-2018 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1147355)
prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
Yeah, they are.

zimmy 07-25-2018 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1147352)
The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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I agree no one ever hated anyone as much as Trump. Not only is he an idiot and dangerous for the country, but he is an all around terrible person. Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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zimmy 07-25-2018 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1147355)
prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
Being angry is not the problem. Being angry for the reasons the trump rally attendees are angry is the problem.
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Pete F. 07-25-2018 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1147382)
"You always get lost in But Obama"

And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.
I don't see where I am being hypocritical by being concerned about the budget and the deficit, your typical answer is whatabout which only deflects from the issue being discussed, what evidence have you seen that the tax cuts are producing longterm economic gains? The things i see are not good

"Obama's worked better than Bush's "

You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.

"Trump didn't start out in a hole"

No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.

Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.

"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"

Not until Bush jr.

"Limiting political speech"

Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter.
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO until Baby Donny Bonespur
You have a short memory, this was your comment in another thread
"Stupid move, with awful optics, by a petty man. Even Obama, also a vindictive thin-skinned baby, never went this far.

Not a good month for Trump..."

Sea Dangles 07-25-2018 09:33 AM
There is a lot of passion on both sides, that's a good thing. It means people care.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-25-2018 09:38 AM
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Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.


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