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scottw 03-28-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1140253)
If he can't watch Fox and Friends where is he going to get his daily intel briefing?

yawn......got any new material?

Pete F. 03-28-2018 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140254)
yawn......got any new material?

The people from Fox who are in or close
Kudlow
Bolton
Nauert
Schlapp
McFarland
Hegseth
diGenova
Who's gone from State News, oops Faux, I mean Fox
George Will
Megyn Kelley
Rich Lowry
and the staunch Trump supporters moved to the forefront
Laura Ingraham
Mark Levin
Sebastian Gorka

scottw 03-28-2018 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140255)
The people from Fox who are in or close
Kudlow
Bolton
Nauert
Schlapp
McFarland
Hegseth
diGenova
Who's gone from State News, oops Faux, I mean Fox
George Will
Megyn Kelley
Rich Lowry
and the staunch Trump supporters moved to the forefront
Laura Ingraham
Mark Levin
Sebastian Gorka

who cares?....

spence 03-28-2018 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140257)
who cares?....

Trump booting out anyone with a shred of competence and replacing them with cable news talking head yes men? Why would anyone care. What could go wrong?

Nebe 03-28-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1140253)
If he can't watch Fox and Friends where is he going to get his daily intel briefing?

Savage !
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PaulS 03-28-2018 11:41 AM

Is this a step up or down?

The White House press office is getting a bit more Sunshine these days -- former Disney Channel star Caroline Sunshine, that is. She's joining the team as a press assistant.

Sunshine, 22, is known for her role alongside Zendaya as Tinka Hessenheffer in "Shake It Up," a Disney Channel show about teen dancers that ran from 2010 to 2013. She was also in the 2010 film "Marmaduke," among other roles.

The Dad Fisherman 03-28-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140264)
Is this a step up or down?

The White House press office is getting a bit more Sunshine these days -- former Disney Channel star Caroline Sunshine, that is. She's joining the team as a press assistant.

Sunshine, 22, is known for her role alongside Zendaya as Tinka Hessenheffer in "Shake It Up," a Disney Channel show about teen dancers that ran from 2010 to 2013. She was also in the 2010 film "Marmaduke," among other roles.

It's a non-story.....

Pete F. 03-28-2018 01:05 PM

Ahh, a new Hope for the White House

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1139976)
Much as I can’t stand this clown, I still wish he would shut off the GD TV, delete his Twitter account and spend all that free time focusing on governing. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Agreed.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140264)
Is this a step up or down?

The White House press office is getting a bit more Sunshine these days -- former Disney Channel star Caroline Sunshine, that is. She's joining the team as a press assistant.

Sunshine, 22, is known for her role alongside Zendaya as Tinka Hessenheffer in "Shake It Up," a Disney Channel show about teen dancers that ran from 2010 to 2013. She was also in the 2010 film "Marmaduke," among other roles.

Press assistant. Not head of the CIA. You are really reaching...

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140255)
The people from Fox who are in or close
Kudlow
Bolton
Nauert
Schlapp
McFarland
Hegseth
diGenova
Who's gone from State News, oops Faux, I mean Fox
George Will
Megyn Kelley
Rich Lowry
and the staunch Trump supporters moved to the forefront
Laura Ingraham
Mark Levin
Sebastian Gorka

Megyn Kelly left to get paid a jillion dollars a year, in a way that allowed her to be home at night. What's your point?

PaulS 03-29-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140310)
Press assistant. Not head of the CIA. You are really reaching...

Just shows what a bunch of crappy people he has hired. His former caddy, Amarosa, lawyers with no experience for judgeships, etc. He told us that he had the A team in his cabinet and now I guess we are down to the B team.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140312)
Just shows what a bunch of crappy people he has hired. His former caddy, Amarosa, lawyers with no experience for judgeships, etc. He told us that he had the A team in his cabinet and now I guess we are down to the B team.

How do you know she's not qualified for whatever job she was hired for?

My God, with all the mountains of legitimate criticism this guy deserves, this is what has you worried? The person he hired for a job you never heard of?

scottw 03-29-2018 10:34 AM

are there any leftists that aren't smarter than everyone else?

Pete F. 03-29-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140311)
Megyn Kelly left to get paid a jillion dollars a year, in a way that allowed her to be home at night. What's your point?

I guess you could ask her opinion of Trump and his lawyer?

Pete F. 03-29-2018 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140314)
are there any leftists that aren't smarter than everyone else?

No, just none dumber than Authoritarians
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...so-differently

spence 03-29-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140311)
Megyn Kelly left to get paid a jillion dollars a year, in a way that allowed her to be home at night. What's your point?

I think how the network handled her criticism of the harassment problem at Fox actually had a lot to do with it.

PaulS 03-29-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140313)
How do you know she's not qualified for whatever job she was hired for?Did I say that in my intial post?

My God, with all the mountains of legitimate criticism this guy deserves, this is what has you worried? The person he hired for a job you never heard of?

And it bothered you enough that you had to respond. Maybe we should discuss whether Pres. Obama was truly disrespecting the office of the President when he wore a brown suit since that go so much press from the right when it happened.

It is just funny how unqualified some of the people he has hired have been. Betsy Devoss looks silly every time she appears before Congress.

PaulS 03-29-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140314)
are there any leftists that aren't smarter than everyone else?

leftists aren't smarter than everyone else but it appears Fox news viewers know less about current events than people who don't watch the news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2.../#42b2643112ab

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140315)
I guess you could ask her opinion of Trump and his lawyer?

She hates Trump. That's not why she left Fox, your post implied that she was one of many people who left Fox because they didn't like Trump.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1140318)
I think how the network handled her criticism of the harassment problem at Fox actually had a lot to do with it.

I thought they countered to try and keep her. regardless, it had zip to do with Trump.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140312)
, lawyers with no experience for judgeships, etc. .

Having judicial experience didn't stop Sonia Sotomayor from saying this, which should prevent her form ever serving on a jury, let along on the Supreme Court...

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

You cannot get more bigoted than that, you simply cannot, and she will be on that bench for the rest of my life. White men, by virtue of their skin pigmentation and genitals, make inferior judges. That's super.

scottw 03-29-2018 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140320)
leftists aren't smarter than everyone else but it appears Fox news viewers know less about current events than people who don't watch the news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2.../#42b2643112ab

such an odd FOX obsession....

PaulS 03-29-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140325)
such an odd FOX obsession....

The article?

scottw 03-29-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1140327)
The article?

you...I didn't bother with the article

spence 03-29-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140324)
Having judicial experience didn't stop Sonia Sotomayor from saying this, which should prevent her form ever serving on a jury, let along on the Supreme Court...

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

You cannot get more bigoted than that, you simply cannot, and she will be on that bench for the rest of my life. White men, by virtue of their skin pigmentation and genitals, make inferior judges. That's super.

It wasn't bigoted at all in context. Just a little clumsy.

Pete F. 03-29-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140324)
Having judicial experience didn't stop Sonia Sotomayor from saying this, which should prevent her form ever serving on a jury, let along on the Supreme Court...

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

You cannot get more bigoted than that, you simply cannot, and she will be on that bench for the rest of my life. White men, by virtue of their skin pigmentation and genitals, make inferior judges. That's super.

And she said that 8 years before she was appointed and she made it through confirmation. Just like Gorsuch did, that is the way the game works.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140330)
And she said that 8 years before she was appointed and she made it through confirmation. Just like Gorsuch did, that is the way the game works.

Oh, so what's the statute of limitations, exactly, for when your bigotry expires and you are fit for the Supreme Court?

I am aware she got confirmed. That doesn't mean she's not a maniac and a bigot.

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1140329)
It wasn't bigoted at all in context. Just a little clumsy.

You love saying that criticism of the left are taken out of context, yet I have never seen you once, put it in the correct context. Could you tell us what the correct context is, please?

She also authored 5 majority opinions that were reviewed by the Supreme Court (when she was in the lower court), 3 were overturned. She was found to have been wrong, 60% of the time. Now from what I understand, the SCOTUS overturns a high % of cases, because there is usually a reason why a case gets to them.

scottw 03-29-2018 12:28 PM

democrats can't be bigots...it's a rule

The Dad Fisherman 03-29-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140335)
democrats can't be bigots...it's a rule

They're called Allies...

PaulS 03-29-2018 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140328)
you...I didn't bother with the article

I don't think I have posted very many items concerning Fox news. Any you want to discuss?

Pete F. 03-29-2018 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140334)
You love saying that criticism of the left are taken out of context, yet I have never seen you once, put it in the correct context. Could you tell us what the correct context is, please?

She also authored 5 majority opinions that were reviewed by the Supreme Court (when she was in the lower court), 3 were overturned. She was found to have been wrong, 60% of the time. Now from what I understand, the SCOTUS overturns a high % of cases, because there is usually a reason why a case gets to them.

The reason I said just like Gorsuch is because both parties get their turn and both whine about the others choice.
Laura Gomez said:
"I was a speaker at the conference Sotomayor's speech kicked off, and I would like to put her comment in context.

Entitled "Raising the Bar: Latino and Latina Presence in the Judiciary and the Struggle for Representation," the conference brought together -- for the first time, to my knowledge -- judges, lawyers, scholars and law students to consider the state of Latinos in the judiciary.

By 2050, Hispanics will be 30 percent of the U.S. population, and yet the number of Latino judges remains tiny. The number of female Hispanic judges is even smaller; Sotomayor is one of two Hispanic women among federal appellate judges, and there are not much more than that among the hundreds of federal district judges.

Part of the impetus for the conference was to signal the potential crisis for our courts in the 21st century if we do not get more Latino lawyers interested in becoming judges and more appointed to the bench.

In this context, I did not find Sotomayor's comment controversial. As I look at the speech eight years later, I'm struck by how measured and careful she was in making the claim.

First, the sentence I have quoted here followed Sotomayor's acknowledgement that there is no universal definition of "wise."


Second, she presented the statement as aspirational by using the phrase "I would hope"; she was talking as much about the ideal of diversity as its reality.

Third, she specified that she was talking not about all Latinas and all white men but about ideal types; she invoked a "wise" Hispanic woman who has had a particular set of life experiences and white male judges who have not "lived that life" (suggesting that some white males could, in fact, bring a similar empathy and/or life experience to the bench).

Fourth, she went out of her way to say that she thought this would be the case "more often than not," rather than all the time.

Finally, in the next sentence of her speech, Sotomayor went on to specify that she was addressing the dynamics of an appellate court with multiple judges (such as the three-judge and en banc panels on which she sits as an appeals court judge and the Supreme Court), rather than talking about a trial court context in which a single judge presides.

She was referencing the group dynamics on a U.S. Supreme Court of nine justices who converse publicly during oral arguments and privately during conferences over cases. In these settings, who a judge is, in all the ways that matter, undoubtedly affects his or her own thinking about cases as well as that of the other justices.

Does anyone that doubt that Justice Thurgood Marshall's identity as an African-American male or his experience as a civil rights lawyer shaped his judicial philosophy and influence his fellow justices some of the time? Most watchers of the Supreme Court have similarly concluded that Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg have had a great impact on their colleagues in cases of particular interest to women, such as abortion and sex discrimination.

Ultimately, whether, holding other things constant, women of color make "better" judges than white men is an empirical question that we are unable to answer definitively any time soon, given the small numbers of minority judges.

That inquiry itself begs the question of quality explicit in Judge Sotomayor's comment: What makes one judge better than another? Better for whom? Some political scientists have argued that the appropriate measure is essentially political: Is the judge better for those who elected the president who nominated the Supreme Court justice?

At the end of the day, a judge's race and gender may have less impact on how she decides a particular case than how the larger public perceives the court on which she sits. In a society in which African-Americans and Hispanics, in particular, report high rates of dissatisfaction and lack of faith in the courts and other criminal justice institutions, the racial and gender makeup of the judiciary has greater relevance.

Of 111 Supreme Court justices, all but four have been white men. It's past time the nation's highest court looked more like the nation."
Laura Gómez is professor of law and American studies at the University of New Mexico. Gómez, who has a Ph.D. in sociology and a law degree from Stanford University, is the author of "Manifest Destinies: The Making of the Mexican American Race.

scottw 03-29-2018 01:11 PM

so you got to meet Justice Sotomayor?

Pete F. 03-29-2018 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140341)
so you got to meet Justice Sotomayor?

Hey, I'm at work and busy. You want perfection on a political BS forum?
I added the author.

scottw 03-29-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140342)
Hey, I'm at work and busy. clearly :rotf3:You want perfection on a political BS forum?
I added the author.

not perfection...I'm disappointed..

I was excited for you..it would be more interesting if you'd attended and wrote it rather than something you found and pasted after scouring the internets ...

scottw 03-29-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140340)

It's past time the nation's highest court looked more like the nation."

we should settle on 9 ethnicities and then fill the supremes seats based on that..to look more like the nation....though...not sure about how you settle guy/girl...gay/straight...religious/secular....rich/poor...conservative/communist...in each ethnic category....it's not like they rotate very often...this could actually get complicated :gu:

Jim in CT 03-29-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1140340)
The reason I said just like Gorsuch is because both parties get their turn and both whine about the others choice.
Laura Gomez said:
"I was a speaker at the conference Sotomayor's speech kicked off, and I would like to put her comment in context.

Entitled "Raising the Bar: Latino and Latina Presence in the Judiciary and the Struggle for Representation," the conference brought together -- for the first time, to my knowledge -- judges, lawyers, scholars and law students to consider the state of Latinos in the judiciary.

By 2050, Hispanics will be 30 percent of the U.S. population, and yet the number of Latino judges remains tiny. The number of female Hispanic judges is even smaller; Sotomayor is one of two Hispanic women among federal appellate judges, and there are not much more than that among the hundreds of federal district judges.

Part of the impetus for the conference was to signal the potential crisis for our courts in the 21st century if we do not get more Latino lawyers interested in becoming judges and more appointed to the bench.

In this context, I did not find Sotomayor's comment controversial. As I look at the speech eight years later, I'm struck by how measured and careful she was in making the claim.

First, the sentence I have quoted here followed Sotomayor's acknowledgement that there is no universal definition of "wise."


Second, she presented the statement as aspirational by using the phrase "I would hope"; she was talking as much about the ideal of diversity as its reality.

Third, she specified that she was talking not about all Latinas and all white men but about ideal types; she invoked a "wise" Hispanic woman who has had a particular set of life experiences and white male judges who have not "lived that life" (suggesting that some white males could, in fact, bring a similar empathy and/or life experience to the bench).

Fourth, she went out of her way to say that she thought this would be the case "more often than not," rather than all the time.

Finally, in the next sentence of her speech, Sotomayor went on to specify that she was addressing the dynamics of an appellate court with multiple judges (such as the three-judge and en banc panels on which she sits as an appeals court judge and the Supreme Court), rather than talking about a trial court context in which a single judge presides.

She was referencing the group dynamics on a U.S. Supreme Court of nine justices who converse publicly during oral arguments and privately during conferences over cases. In these settings, who a judge is, in all the ways that matter, undoubtedly affects his or her own thinking about cases as well as that of the other justices.

Does anyone that doubt that Justice Thurgood Marshall's identity as an African-American male or his experience as a civil rights lawyer shaped his judicial philosophy and influence his fellow justices some of the time? Most watchers of the Supreme Court have similarly concluded that Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg have had a great impact on their colleagues in cases of particular interest to women, such as abortion and sex discrimination.

Ultimately, whether, holding other things constant, women of color make "better" judges than white men is an empirical question that we are unable to answer definitively any time soon, given the small numbers of minority judges.

That inquiry itself begs the question of quality explicit in Judge Sotomayor's comment: What makes one judge better than another? Better for whom? Some political scientists have argued that the appropriate measure is essentially political: Is the judge better for those who elected the president who nominated the Supreme Court justice?

At the end of the day, a judge's race and gender may have less impact on how she decides a particular case than how the larger public perceives the court on which she sits. In a society in which African-Americans and Hispanics, in particular, report high rates of dissatisfaction and lack of faith in the courts and other criminal justice institutions, the racial and gender makeup of the judiciary has greater relevance.

Of 111 Supreme Court justices, all but four have been white men. It's past time the nation's highest court looked more like the nation."
Laura Gómez is professor of law and American studies at the University of New Mexico. Gómez, who has a Ph.D. in sociology and a law degree from Stanford University, is the author of "Manifest Destinies: The Making of the Mexican American Race.

I read that diatribe three times. Three. I still cannot fathom (even based on this desperate attempt to whitewash what she said), that Sotomayor doesn't have a problem with gringos who have wee wees. There is no other way to interpret what she said. Whether she said white men actually make inferior judges, or she's just hoping they do, it's equally bigoted. Like most hard core liberals, all she sees is racial and gender identity.

The Dad Fisherman 03-29-2018 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1140346)
we should settle on 9 ethnicities and then fill the supremes seats based on that..to look more like the nation....though...not sure about how you settle guy/girl...gay/straight...religious/secular....rich/poor...conservative/communist...in each ethnic category....it's not like they rotate very often...this could actually get complicated :gu:

All fun and games until you piss off the Irish justice and all hell breaks loose.....end up looking Boondock Saints :hihi:
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Pete F. 03-29-2018 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1140347)
I read that diatribe three times. Three. I still cannot fathom (even based on this desperate attempt to whitewash what she said), that Sotomayor doesn't have a problem with gringos who have small wee wees. There is no other way to interpret what she said. Whether she said white men actually make inferior judges, or she's just hoping they do, it's equally bigoted. Like most hard core liberals, all she sees is racial and gender identity.

This is a little different now, dont forget this is the USA and we should celebrate our differences, not just have a fit when your political opponent succeeds and then have a fit about your opponent having a fit when yours s...., oops succeeds.
"Of 111 Supreme Court justices, all but four have been white men. It's past time the nation's highest court looked more like the nation."


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